Pope reaffirms ban on women priests

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Through the Holy Spirit.

You keep forgetting that.

Remember, the Bible and Sacred Tradition didn’t come from men.

They came from God.

God is a big guy. Don’t you think that if He really, really wanted to have ‘women priests’, ‘married clergy’, a symbolic Eucharist, etc. He could have done so?

**Think back to the first disciples. They were even, at Pentecost, sitting there, in hiding.

Suddenly the Holy Spirit comes down to them and gives them the courage to go out among the people that 10 minutes before they were deathly afraid would kill them. Gives them the courage and the strength to do miracles.

Yet somehow these guys were strong enough to ‘overpower’ that Spirit who told them, according to the interpretations of the "vast conspiracy of men’ bozos, "Gentleman, gentlemen. Jesus would like you to stop judging humanity, build a giant happy land, give women equal rights in everything, stop getting uptight about sex, and basically live and let live. In fact, Jesus is telling you to do exactly what all the pagans have done and are doing. He’s telling you to go along with all that people in the 21st century call good, like sharing and women’s rights. . .but to ignore all the bad stuff like having male hierarchy and telling people that things are good or bad and making them all upset.’

So these disciples were full of confidence (given by the Holy Spirit) enough to go out and preach about Jesus. . .

But (according to the ‘conspiracy theorists’), they wouldn’t preach what Jesus actually said.** Oh no, they went out and risked their lives to tell humanity that Christ was God and would save them. . .but they ignored, distorted, or outright mistaught Christ’s saving truth. And then they died, proclaiming Christ. . .but not the real Christ. And the MISTAUGHT man-made stuff is somehow still taught today while the real Christ who was nothing but a gentle proto-hippie good guy didn’t have the power to stop the people from ruining everything He had given His life to accomplish. Even though HE is God and they are not.

No wonder some people don’t believe in God. The god they have built from this kind of fantasizing. . .I mean, theorizing. . .is unbelievable. The whole edifice of this man-made Church is unbelievable.

Basically it’s the strawman. What they say the Church is and teaches is some giant man-made thing that is both unbelievable and even vile.

But what the Church really IS and teaches is quite different.

Until/unless the non believer actually comes, not to belief himself even, but to the kind of reasonable acknowledgement that according to what the believer says REGARDING HIS BELIEF, that what he believes is reasonable and just according to said beliefs, and not to the ‘strawman’ that the non-believer insists is what ‘is’, we’re just talking past each other.
You seem to be laboring under the impression that I am actually a believer of some sort. And therefore compelled to make* sense* of the Christian story.

I am not.
I doesn’t really matter to me if Catholicism is the least implausible of the Christian faiths.
That’s *not good enough *to make me invest in it intellectually or emotionally.
 
Originally Posted by AngryAtheist8
Counter question:

Would you accept direct insults like the ones you’re aiming my way right now with a smile, or would you be a hypocritical and complain?

I am not attempting to be snarky or sarcastic, this is a real question.
Stating the truth isn’t an insult. You are obtuse and arrogant. Those are qualities.

Do you have a point to make?
I will take that as a no (you would not).
 
Stating the truth isn’t an insult. You are obtuse and arrogant. Those are qualities.

Do you have a point to make?
Simply that you’re making personal insults rather than actually addressing the argument. I don’t really:shrug: but many other people here at CAF are more thin skinned.

Moreover, the Moderators tend to disapprove of such personal attacks.
 
What are nuns, to you?

Also, what is your hang-up with the Church Hierarchy anyway? Priests, Bishops and the Pope are all people who have sacrificed much, have little in the way of actual power to make decisions, and are paid next to nothing and subsist on the charity of others for the service they provide. They are servants, not kings.

Are you saying that women in the church should be paid even less and worked even more? The 98 year-old nun at my church would find that endlessly fascinating. Maybe I should tell her that you’d like to take her stipend away, so that she can feel more like the priests, bishops and the Pope?
Not part of the governing Hierarchy of the Church.
 
What are nuns, to you?

Also, what is your hang-up with the Church Hierarchy anyway? Priests, Bishops and the Pope are all people who have sacrificed much, have little in the way of actual power to make decisions, and are paid next to nothing and subsist on the charity of others for the service they provide. They are servants, not kings.

Are you saying that women in the church should be paid even less and worked even more? The 98 year-old nun at my church would find that endlessly fascinating. Maybe I should tell her that you’d like to take her stipend away, so that she can feel more like the priests, bishops and the Pope?
Why not?
You don’t seem to need any actual information to come to conclusions about me, so why not invent whatever stories you find the most satisfying?

Frankly Lochias if you’re trying to embarrass, shame, or intimidate me you’re doing a lousy job.
Compared to a real flame war with a talented troll this is nothing.
 
Originally Posted by AngryAtheist8
Counter question:

Would you accept direct insults like the ones you’re aiming my way right now with a smile, or would you be a hypocritical and complain?

I am not attempting to be snarky or sarcastic, this is a real question.

I will take that as a no (you would not).
You didn’t ask a yes or no question.
 
Simply that you’re making personal insults rather than actually addressing the argument. I don’t really:shrug: but many other people here at CAF are more thin skinned.

Moreover, the Moderators tend to disapprove of such personal attacks.
You refused to listen to the arguments a long time ago. Now, you’re just a repeating record.
 
Why not?
You don’t seem to need any actual information to come to conclusions about me, so why not invent whatever stories you find the most satisfying?

Frankly Lochias if you’re trying to embarrass, shame, or intimidate me you’re doing a lousy job.
Compared to a real flame war with a talented troll this is nothing.
You’re doing a good job of that all by yourself. I can’t help it if you came here expecting an echo chamber for your misguided ideas and have been sorely disappointed instead.
 
It sounds like you’re splitting hairs.
Are the Bishops and the Pope in charge or not?
No I am not splitting hairs. I am just saying that you are spreading falsities just to foster your agenda. I have explained to you some of the basic of Church government and hierarchy, and you do not like so you choose not to accept it and make false generalizations. Your approach would be the one of a foreigner saying that the USA senators have power of the senators of a state, that is blatantly false.
 
And who established/interprets the Bible and Sacred Tradition…

Why its the Pope and Bishops of course:D
This is another falsity that might be based on ignorance or on an agenda. If you are truly honest then read a little bit more about the basics of Sacred Scriptures and Sacred Tradition (e.g. sensus fidelium).
 
Is this really meant as a serious post:confused:

All the countries you mention (and the EU as a whole) are not merely lacking in funds, but close to bankruptcy, and much of South America was controlled by strongmen and military juntas until recently.
Okay. Nevermind. You’re American. I get it. Wealth = successful country. We’ll just move along shall we. 🙂
 
You refused to listen to the arguments a long time ago. Now, you’re just a repeating record.
WHAT arguments?
Your merely attempting to insult me (and doing a poor job of it I might add).
 
Originally Posted by AngryAtheist8
Not part of the governing Hierarchy of the Church.
Does that somehow diminish the impact and importance of women in the Church?
Of course.
For instance, do you really think that privates are as important as generals in an army?
The answer is (or at least should be) obvious.
 
Originally Posted by AngryAtheist8
Why not?
You don’t seem to need any actual information to come to conclusions about me, so why not invent whatever stories you find the most satisfying?

Frankly Lochias if you’re trying to embarrass, shame, or intimidate me you’re doing a lousy job.
Compared to a real flame war with a talented troll this is nothing.
You’re doing a good job of that all by yourself. I can’t help it if you came here expecting an echo chamber for your misguided ideas and have been sorely disappointed instead.
I am not disappointed by your insults merely amused.
Like I said before, their not very good:shrug:
 
ginally Posted by AngryAtheist8
It sounds like you’re splitting hairs.
Are the Bishops and the Pope in charge or not?
No I am not splitting hairs. I am just saying that you are spreading falsities just to foster your agenda. I have explained to you some of the basic of Church government and hierarchy, and you do not like so you choose not to accept it and make false generalizations. Your approach would be the one of a foreigner saying that the USA senators have power of the senators of a state, that is blatantly false.
If I am merely spreading lies why can’t you answer the question?:rolleyes:
 
Originally Posted by AngryAtheist8
And who established/interprets the Bible and Sacred Tradition…

Why its the Pope and Bishops of course:D
This is another falsity that might be based on ignorance or on an agenda. If you are truly honest then read a little bit more about the basics of Sacred Scriptures and Sacred Tradition (e.g. sensus fidelium).
If the Popes and the Bishops don’t do it, then what men are responsible?
 
ginally Posted by AngryAtheist8
It sounds like you’re splitting hairs.
Are the Bishops and the Pope in charge or not?

If I am merely spreading lies why can’t you answer the question?:rolleyes:
The problem is… the question has been answered. You just refuse to accept the answer, then you twist it to suit your definition and then you restate the question again all while claiming it hasn’t been answered. It has been answered and to us it’s all very clear and your rebuttals make no sense because they don’t relate to the answers we’ve given.

After awhile people get tired of telling you that you’re misinterpreting.
 
Originally Posted by AngryAtheist8
Is this really meant as a serious post

All the countries you mention (and the EU as a whole) are not merely lacking in funds, but close to bankruptcy, and much of South America was controlled by strongmen and military juntas until recently.
Okay. Nevermind. You’re American. I get it. Wealth = successful country. We’ll just move along shall we. 🙂
Then what is YOUR objective definition of a successful country?
Do you have one?
 
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