Pope revises catechism to say death penalty is 'inadmissible'

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Given this unilateral and non-definitive proposition by the Pope, I have a feeling we’re going to see more “dubia” and that this will just create more division until it is finally settled, hopefully according to Tradition. I would like to read a serious, in depth defense of this as to how it is actually a development and not a corruption.
 
I suspect he may be making a mistake – once again, getting the Church too closely mixed up in politics.
He has every right – indeed, he has an obligation – to speak out on moral issues. And that’s what the deliberate taking of a human life is, a moral issue.
 
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Thats comparing apples and oranges. That’s the realm of science and medicine, not faith and morals. Whether i believe arsenic is good for me or not has no standing on my salvation.

A better example would be abortion. Is abortion wrong, in all circumstances, the church teaches yes. What if 50 years from now the church said, abortion is wrong …but because our understanding has grown we know realize its permissible in certain circumstances.
 
Taking a step back. Our Christian duty has always been to care for those imprisoned, to help lead them to God, to pray for them. This goes for legitimate criminals as well as those unjustly imprisoned, as we are to pray for our enemies and to celebrate the return of lost sheep to the fold.
 
Mere Christian do you understand the role of the Holy Spirit in the Church. . It’s a big role
 
There is a letter that accompanies this change. For anyone who is struggling or confused by this, I would encourage you to read through this.

http://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/en/bollettino/pubblico/2018/08/02/180802b.html

I will say, quite apart from what the pope is saying, this is a rather unconventional way to go about it. Pope Francis didn’t publish a papal document about it. There is no new encyclical or apostolic constitution. Just a letter from the CDF and an edited paragraph of the Catechism.
Which, to be frank, and unfortunately I’m a bit cynical, will leave the question as to whether this is an exercise of the extraordinary magisterium open and, if the Pope chooses not to respond to dubia or other attempts to get elaboration, will leave that question open for continued debate.

I apologize, I’m a bit pulled in both directions on the matter. On the one hand I want to just keep my head down and focus on my own Christian duty. On the other, I enjoy apologetics and would like to be good at it, and I’m feeling a bit perplexed on that issue at the moment.
 
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I hope that the next thing to become history will be the notion that today there can be such a thing as a “just” war . As Pope John Paul II said on the Feast of Pentecost in 1982 , “Today, the scale and the horror of modern warfare - whether nuclear or not - makes it TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE as a means of settling differences between nations.”
 
Romans 13 1-5 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of him who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4 for he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain; he is the servant of God to execute his wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be subject, not only to avoid God’s wrath but also for the sake of conscience.>
The state acts on Gods behalf in these matters, so they do have the authority to punish evil doers with death.

Just in case you say it is just my opinion here is what St Augustine has to say
The agent who executes the killing does not commit homicide; he is an instrument as is the sword with which he cuts. Therefore, it is in no way contrary to the commandment, ‘Thou shalt not kill’ to wage war at God’s bidding, or for the representatives of public authority to put criminals to death, according to the law, that is, the will of the most just reason.

The City of God, Book 1, chapter 21
 
I can’t see any way that defense of life is a “corruption.”
But then this means that the Church positively taught and actively participated in corruption in the past. And God did as well, since He states in Genesis 9:6 that “whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed.” Also, Pope Pius XII, who provided the most systematic and detailed treatment of the subject (not sure why he is totally ignored in all this), taught heresy.
 
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So if a country is invaded and genocide committed against an ethnic group that lives there, it would be unjust to wage a defensive war to drive the invader out?
 
Yes and I know the holy spirit doesn’t contradict itself, it doesn’t make mistakes. Hence my sadness because it is evident that at some point the church has made a mistake on this topic. Either in the past, or now. In which case it can not have been a product of the holy spirit.
 
And yet, the church had already moved away from this position most clearly starting with St. Pope JPII…

Doctrine develops overtime. The modern world has advanced to such an extent that taking human life is no longer necessary.

We will still have to follow state law, but in many cases the death penalty is not the only option available to a judge.
 
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I would agree if I could be sure that monsters like Larry Singleton (look him up) would not be let go by some soft headed parole board.
 
Not that the Church will ever define it this way, but I feel like the doctrine of Hell is or will soon be seen by popular sentiment (even among Catholics) as being inconsistent with Christian principles and a violation of human dignity. I can of course see the distinctions myself and how to respond to this, but still.
 
I will say, quite apart from what the pope is saying, this is a rather unconventional way to go about it. Pope Francis didn’t publish a papal document about it. There is no new encyclical or apostolic constitution. Just a letter from the CDF and an edited paragraph of the Catechism.
Yes especially with what else is going on in the Church some might see this as a deflection. Obviously, well hopefully, this has been in the works for awhile. Some interesting aspects…will Catholic politicians, government leaders that support the death penalty be denied communion? We have not seen that with abortion supporters. Of course bible alone protestants will have something to say also.
 
Doctrine develops overtime. The modern world has advanced to such an extent that taking human life is no longer necessary.
While the revisions to the Catechism mention the advancement of society, that doesn’t seem to be the principle justification for the change of policy.
 
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