Pope says yoga courses have no answers

[Havard]

It is still yoga.
Just because people may have different intents and reasons for doing it, it doesn’t change what the very specific poses and movements are called. They are the same. The yoga movements have a name, and they are called yoga.

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By Westerners who don’t know they are in actuality called asanas, maybe.

In other news, this isn’t actually Kung Fu:

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And this isn’t actually Chinese food:

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[livingwordunity]

When Pope Francis criticizes something that liberals love they suddenly shift gears and tiptoe around what the Pope has said. But, to be honest, both sides do this with things that Pope Francis has said. Sometimes something he says provides ammunition for the left, and other times what he says provides ammunition for the right.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

When Pope Francis criticizes something that liberals love they suddenly shift gears and tiptoe around what the Pope has said. But, to be honest, both sides do this with things that Pope Francis has said. Sometimes something he says provides ammunition for the left, and other times what he says provides ammunition for the right.

There is no tip toeing around what the Pope said.

The headline of the article is not what the Pope said, nor is it the headline at Catholic News Network.

In other words, the headline was edited to fit the agenda of the author.

Jim

 

[livingwordunity]

There is no tip toeing around what the Pope said.

The headline of the article is not what the Pope said, nor is it the headline at Catholic News Network.

In other words, the headline was edited to fit the agenda of the author.

Jim

Whatever, but I think you missed my overall point.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Whatever, but I think you missed my overall point.

No, I didn’t miss the point of the Pope’s statement.

Whether it’s the Catechism, Yoga, or whatever, peace does not come from those things, but from the Holy Spirit.

For me, this means that we must be open to the Holy Spirit is the focus of our intention, to receive Him and all that He brings.

Read what the Pope actually said from a credible source.

Catechism, yoga, Zen cannot open people’s hearts to God, pope says

catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1500093.htm

Jim

 

[livingwordunity]

No, I didn’t miss the point of the Pope’s statement.

Whether it’s the Catechism, Yoga, or whatever, peace does not come from those things, but from the Holy Spirit.

For me, this means that we must be open to the Holy Spirit is the focus of our intention, to receive Him and all that He brings.

Read what the Pope actually said from a credible source.

Jim

You missed my point about how what the Pope says is sometimes not what the left wants to hear but is also sometimes not what the right wants to hear. One can’t honestly say that the left-wing media has never exploited something the Pope has said for the left’s political agenda or that there haven’t been things Pope Francis has said that the left wishes he never said and would rather ignore. For example, he recently condemned abortion.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

You missed my point about how what the Pope says is sometimes not what the left wants to hear but is also sometimes not what the right wants to hear. One can’t honestly say that the left-wing media has never exploited something the Pope has said for the left’s political agenda or that there haven’t been things Pope Francis has said that the left wishes he never said and would rather ignore. For example, he recently condemned abortion.

But the article in point of this thread, edited out the headline of what the Pope said, but the context as well.

The Catholic News Service Article which included the entire headline and context of the Pope’s statement are a stark contrast to the OP article.

In other words, it wasn’t a misunderstanding in the OP article, but a editing of his words.

Keep in mind, this wasn’t done by a main stream news service, but one that supposedly presents news on Catholicism.

Jim

 

[MSGirl]

I can’t read any more of this thread. I have MS and have trouble with aerobic exercise. I still need to take care of my body. I have videos that I do at home, one day it might be pilates, the next day might be a walk and the next might be yoga. I don’t do yoga as much as the others because it’s more difficult. I have remained ambulatory for the past 25 years and my doctors all agree that these types of** workouts** is what they prescribe for their patients. I thank the Lord every day that I am still able to walk and continue with what has been working for me.

 

[Havard]

I can’t read any more of this thread. I have MS and have trouble with aerobic exercise. I still need to take care of my body. I have videos that I do at home, one day it might be pilates, the next day might be a walk and the next might be yoga. I don’t do yoga as much as the others because it’s more difficult. I have remained ambulatory for the past 25 years and my doctors all agree that these types of** workouts** is what they prescribe for their patients. I thank the Lord every day that I am still able to walk and continue with what has been working for me.

Don’t get discouraged, I believe you’re seeing this debate as something it’s not. Exercise videos that are just focused on the body, i.e. stretching and breathing are totally fine. Whether or not they are called “yoga” or whatever. It’s only the stuff that incorporates non-Christian spirituality that people object to.

 

[Digitonomy]

Don’t get discouraged, I believe you’re seeing this debate as something it’s not. Exercise videos that are just focused on the body, i.e. stretching and breathing are totally fine. Whether or not they are called “yoga” or whatever. It’s only the stuff that incorporates non-Christian spirituality that people object to.

That’s simply not true. At least two posters object to all of this yoga-like physical activity as inseparable from the spiritual aspects.

Colorad007:

I’m astonished that Catholics would involve themselves with something so spiritually dangerous. The Pope talks about yoga as though it were a spirituality BECAUSE IT IS. Christians try to separate the recreational aspect from the spiritual-Hindu aspect, but it isn’t possible no matter how pure your intentions. It would be like giving your kid a Voodoo doll as a stuffed animal. The physical posturing in yoga is specifically designed to channel “spiritual energies,” as it were. That is the point of yoga. Just because you are a 40 year-old soccer mom in cute yoga pants and you really want to get rid of that spare tire doesn’t justify exposing yourself to spiritual harm

JamalChristophr:

I think this post is on the mark. However, there is not an insubstantial number of well meaning devout Christians that think the physical component of Yoga can be separated from the spiritual. I don’t think they can in a complete manner, although intention does play some role, it seems to me, in the degree of harm done. In a nutshell, it’s playing with fire.

 

[FollowChrist34]

That’s simply not true. At least two posters object to all of this yoga-like physical activity as inseparable from the spiritual aspects.

Perhaps more importantly there is no evidence that the Pope views it that way, none, nada.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

The Pope didn’t say Yoga is bad.

In fact, he used the Catechism and Yoga in his speech and pointed to why those will not bring you peace.

Only the Holy Spirit will bring peace.

How come no one thought the Pope was condemning the Catechism as well as Yoga, being he used both equally in his statement ?

Jim

 

[Digitonomy]

The physical posturing in yoga is specifically designed to channel “spiritual energies,” as it were. That is the point of yoga. Just because you are a 40 year-old soccer mom in cute yoga pants and you really want to get rid of that spare tire doesn’t justify exposing yourself to spiritual harm

I’m confused about how this danger is supposed to work. How exactly do postures channel “spiritual energies”?

The best comparison I can think of would be some of the postures we use during mass. They may help us to be more relaxed, or less distracted, or give us a different visual and physical perspective on the altar and those around us, but I certainly don’t think they “channel spiritual energy.”

Even if we accept that a posture could help to channel spiritual energy, wouldn’t the nature of that energy be independent of the posture? In other words, it would be as likely to channel good energy as bad? Otherwise, should we avoid doing anything resembling the “downward dog” when looking under the couch for the remote?

 

[FollowChrist34]

Otherwise, should we avoid doing anything resembling the “downward dog” when looking under the couch for the remote?

:bowdown2:

 

[Havard]

That’s simply not true. At least two posters object to all of this yoga-like physical activity as inseparable from the spiritual aspects.

That’s two individual’s conclusions. I see nothing remotely like that in what the Pope as said, nor in any Church teaching, nor does it even make sense (respectfully).

If there’s no spirituality behind it, moving your body this way or that makes no difference. Believing that a movement or posture could be “inherently evil” is superstition.

 

[Digitonomy]

That’s two individual’s conclusions. I see nothing remotely like that in what the Pope has said, nor in any Church teaching

Nor do I. However, you told MSGirl

Havard:

you’re seeing this debate as something it’s not…It’s only the stuff that incorporates non-Christian spirituality that people object to.

Which was really overstating the matter.

 

[Havard]

Nor do I. However, you told MSGirl Which was really overstating the matter.

From the first page, people were drawing a distinction between yoga-like exercise (“yoga”) and yoga. johnnyc176 did, bisco did, KendraDZ1902 did, I did, manualman did, BrandonCal did… probably more, I stopped counting at page 3… So I think it’d be a real misunderstanding of the conversation to characterize it as “people in this thread say yoga-like exercises is the same as yoga: it’s all bad”.

 

[SuperLuigi]

But, but I thought Pope Francis was supposed to be an American liberal?

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I’m glad, once again, to see the Holy Father taking on a subject like this.

 

[SuperLuigi]

How come no one thought the Pope was condemning the Catechism as well as Yoga, being he used both equally in his statement ?

Jim

PS—it involves reading the article! :dancing: