Pope shows solidarity with Migrants.

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You know what, it’s offensive that he would go around saying that you can’t call yourself Christian if you don’t accept refugees.
 
AFerri48 said:
You know what, it’s offensive that he would go around saying that you can’t call yourself Christian if you don’t accept refugees.
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Why?

The Church will not dictate a specific nation’s immigration legislation.

However, there is a moral principle underlying the questions of immigration and asylum for refugees, precisely because these are questions that deal with a matter of human life and dignity.

Acording to the Catechism of the Catholic Church itself:
"…The catechetical tradition also recalls that there are ‘sins that cry to heaven’: the blood of Abel, the sin of the Sodomites, the cry of the people oppressed in Egypt, the cry of the foreigner, the widow, and the orphan, injustice to the wage earner…"
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It is about welcoming the foreigner in desperation, with the explicit memory of the oppressed Jews fleeing Egypt. When the Israelites wanted to pass through the land of the Amorites during their exodus from Egypt, the Amorites refused them safe passage and attacked the Israelites. For this, God punished the Amorites severely according to the story. A moral principle binding on all of us stems from this and it lies at the core of the Torah’s special concern for the rights of “foreigners”.

In traditional Catholic theology, failure to respond compassionately to “the cry of the oppressed foreigner” is one of the ‘Sins that cry to Heaven for Vengeance’:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sins_that_cry_to_heaven
**The four sins that cry to Heaven for Vengeance (or sins that cry to Heaven) (Latin: peccata clamantia) are a list of mortal sins in Catholic moral theology that Catholics believe demand justice from God:**1]
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The expression is derived from Genesis 4:10 (“The Lord said to Cain … the voice of thy brother’s blood crieth to me from the earth”).
The “blood of Abel”: homicide, infanticide, fratricide, parricide, and matricide[2]
The “sin of the Sodomites”: pride, gluttony, negligence of the poor, abuse of children, and homosexual acts[3][4]
The "cry of the people oppressed in Egypt, the cry of the foreigner, the widow, and the orphan": slavery and marginalization[5]
The “injustice to the wage earner”: taking advantage of and defrauding workers[6]
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Sadly, I think this is not so much about disagreeing with the Pope per se, as it is giving preference to loyalty to Trump. The Church’s teaching on care for migrants has been consistent for many years, but you never saw this kind of virulent negative comments about the Pope before the clash between the Church and Trump. American Catholics are choosing where they stand on this issue, and sadly many are choosing not to stand with the Church.
 
TMC said:
Sadly, I think this is not so much about disagreeing with the Pope per se, as it is giving preference to loyalty to Trump. The Church’s teaching on care for migrants has been consistent for many years, but you never saw this kind of virulent negative comments about the Pope before the clash between the Church and Trump. American Catholics are choosing where they stand on this issue, and sadly many are choosing not to stand with the Church.
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What is wrong with vetting refugees for the safety of the nation offering assistance? Do we not have a right to our safety? We know terrorists are posing as refugees. Just look what happened in Europe. I don’t think vetting goes against the Holy Father or the Church.
 
Michael68 said:
What is wrong with vetting refugees for the safety of the nation offering assistance? Do we not have a right to our safety? We know terrorists are posing as refugees. Just look what happened in Europe. I don’t vetting goes against the Holy Father or the Church.
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They’re already being vetted. This law is discriminatory. Listen to the pope.
 
Michael68 said:
What is wrong with vetting refugees for the safety of the nation offering assistance? Do we not have a right to our safety? We know terrorists are posing as refugees. Just look what happened in Europe. I don’t think vetting goes against the Holy Father or the Church.
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If you believe that you are not listening to what the Pope and the bishops are saying.
 
I don’t believe anyone here is against refugees. What we are against, at least me,the terrorists that infiltrate the refugees.
 
Michael68 said:
I don’t believe anyone here is against refugees. What we are against, at least me,the terrorists that infiltrate the refugees.
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If you don’t let them in, they’re families are torn apart and they’re placed at risk. So you are against them if you don’t accept them.
 
joshman1 said:
If you don’t let them in, they’re families are torn apart and they’re placed at risk. So you are against them if you don’t accept them.
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Your words not mine. I am not against the refugees if I am concerned about the safety of my family and yours. Europe thought like you and , umm, how many dead last year?
 
Even the minority is to many for me. What is so hard to understand? What is hard for me to understand is that there seems to be an allowable number of deaths. That’s unacceptable .
 
Michael68 said:
Even the minority is to many for me. What is so hard to understand? What is hard for me to understand is that there seems to be an allowable number of deaths. That’s unacceptable .
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Yeah but at the expense of the lives of the innocent refugees. The CATO Institute believes the probability of a refugee killing an American citizen is 1 in 3.64 billion. This is why the bishops and pope have been very clear here. Read the USCCB statement.
 
AFerri48 said:
You know what, it’s offensive that he would go around saying that you can’t call yourself Christian if you don’t accept refugees.
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But he not the church will suffer if his position is wrong. Again, what trump is doing is common sense.
 
Nailed it. We just saw it today, a mosque was burned down. This is what these policies of fear create.
 
joshman1 said:
Yeah but at the expense of the lives of the innocent refugees. The CATO Institute believes the probability of a refugee killing an American citizen is 1 in 3.64 billion. This is why the bishops and pope have been very clear here. Read the USCCB statement.
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If there is still a chance, then no. You can call me what you want. Even say I’m a goat as a previous poster said. The forums are devolving to this.
 
joshman1 said:
If you don’t let them in, they’re families are torn apart and they’re placed at risk. So you are against them if you don’t accept them.
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And with unrestricted migration, look at what’s happening in Europe.

Most refugees are not families but able-bodied men.
 
joshman1 said:
Nailed it. We just saw it today, a mosque was burned down. This is what these policies of fear create.
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Has the investigation concluded it was a hate crime?

A mosque was burned down before…by a Muslim.
 
joshman1 said:
Nailed it. We just saw it today, a mosque was burned down. This is what these policies of fear create.
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Yep, but muslims knocked down two tall buildings. And we still dont know if they tourched their own mosque.
 
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