Pope suggests Trump: not Christian

[kjane1]

The Pope does not comment on the Catholics ,who vote for people ,that say they believe in killing babies with abortions. These politicians are not told that they cannot be a Christian and support the killing of innocent babies. Would the Pope be as quick to stand up for those children that are aborted ,as he is to stand up for ,the people that break the laws of our country. Groups are allowed , within the church , to be for abortion, and many other causes that are not in line with Catholic ,biblically teachings ,yet no public rebuke from the Pope ,that I have heard. . Why was the Pope so quick to condemn the idear ,of a fence to help protect our country . He speaks Mercy to the homosexual ,those remarried out of the church etc. . He speaks ,No ,mercy for Americans who want a fence on the U S borders. Not to mention the Vatican is fence in. He want His state well protected. That is all we Americans want…

 

[pnewton]

Yes also included in that prayer are liberals who place more importance on their political ideology than on the teachings of Jesus. Hopefully they see that the Holy Father was also admonishing liberals in that he talked about someone who wants walls is not a Christian attitude. He then he goes on to talk about the evil of abortion and reinforce the teaching of Jesus against so called homosexual ‘marriage’. Those are walls against life and family.

Absolutely. The attacks on the family have been far more of a pastoral issue for the Holy Father. I know how some Catholics were wanting to just blow off those teachings which make life hard, even when it is critical for life to be full. So why would anyone want to follow in those steps over this trivial issue. I guess if your god is Rush and you believe him to be more truthful when he says the Pope is a Marxist trying to make us all socialists. But come on. I know people here normal are not so gullible.

From what I gather, even Trump understand better that this statement was not what he thought it was at first.

 

[Path_Finder]

Yes also included in that prayer are liberals who place more importance on their political ideology than on the teachings of Jesus. Hopefully they see that the Holy Father was also admonishing liberals in that he talked about someone who wants walls is not a Christian attitude. He then he goes on to talk about the evil of abortion and reinforce the teaching of Jesus against so called homosexual ‘marriage’. Those are walls against life and family. So we can infer from that statement that those who go against those teachings of Jesus as not being Christian also.

The Holy father upheld the teaching of Jesus that abortion is an evil crime and obviously he is warning against voting for politicians that support evil. The Holy Father is telling liberals that it is not Christian to place more importance on their political ideology than on the teachings of Jesus.

I certainly haven’t heard Rush call Pope Francis a Marxist directly.

Rush is very pro-life, any statement calling him a ‘god’ I don’t agree with.

 

[Path_Finder]

The Pope does not comment on the Catholics ,who vote for people ,that say they believe in killing babies with abortions. These politicians are not told that they cannot be a Christian and support the killing of innocent babies. Would the Pope be as quick to stand up for those children that are aborted ,as he is to stand up for ,the people that break the laws of our country. Groups are allowed , within the church , to be for abortion, and many other causes that are not in line with Catholic ,biblically teachings ,yet no public rebuke from the Pope ,that I have heard. . Why was the Pope so quick to condemn the idear ,of a fence to help protect our country . He speaks Mercy to the homosexual ,those remarried out of the church etc. . He speaks ,No ,mercy for Americans who want a fence on the U S borders. Not to mention the Vatican is fence in. He want His state well protected. That is all we Americans want…

True.

There are many people apprehensive.

 

[JoeFreedom]

Well, FWIW, I only worry that those 13+ million because they often seem to be extremists. #35 is, in a larger sense, very correct.

That kind of hyperbole is why our country can’t unite. Calling everyone who agrees with Rush (or many things he says) and disagrees with you, an extremist.

 

[Maximilan_Kolbe]

:tsktsk:

vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_P8F.HTM

Where did that passage call out a specific policy or law? I missed it. This attitude that any plan by Republicans to deal with immigration is a violation of Church teaching" isn’t true, per se. The Church rarely says “Rubio’s plan is inherently anti-Catholic.” They had a chance with the ACA, and did nothing.

Similar to if I give a homeless man $5, am I violating Church teaching because I did not give him $10?

When it is a binary issue, like abortion and gay marriage, we should all agree (and yet folks don’t). When it is how best to handle immigration while caring for the poor and protecting our national security, there is much nuance.

And to Pnewton, who said anything about voting or non-negotiable issues? I said they are binary from a Catholic perspective. We don’t support abortion. Ever. Can we support Hillary or Jeb’s immigration plan? That takes a bit more reading and prayer, since the Church doesn’t ever mention them by name. They do mention our opposition in cases to gay marriage, regardless of political party.

 

[queenofheartscv]

Where did that passage call out a specific policy or law? I missed it. This attitude that any plan by Republicans to deal with immigration is a violation of Church teaching" isn’t true, per se. The Church rarely says “Rubio’s plan is inherently anti-Catholic.” They had a chance with the ACA, and did nothing.

Similar to if I give a homeless man $5, am I violating Church teaching because I did not give him $10?

When it is a binary issue, like abortion and gay marriage, we should all agree (and yet folks don’t). When it is how best to handle immigration while caring for the poor and protecting our national security, there is much nuance.

 

[JoeFreedom]

I agree, sadly. The very fact that so many Catholics do not seem to understand what the Vicar of Christ is, that is amazing and painful. Pope Francis is a successor to Peter, who was appointed directly by Christ–which in turn means the Pope is part of a direct line back to our Lord. He is the Pastor over the entire universal church on earth, and he holds the Keys to the Kingdom. Yet, regarding an issue that covers politics, morals and faith, many Catholics are siding with a businessman over the Vicar of Christ.

And just how offensive is it to hear the refrain from USA Catholics stating this Pope is a leftist, which is some backward way of trying to claim the Pope cannot think clearly. It also implies the College of Cardinals and the Holy Spirit picked the wrong man, because according to those views this Pope doesn’t have a balanced pov.

The Pope is not left or right–he is Catholic, the Vicar of Christ. One would expect the Pope to be an equal opportunity upsetter, in that if we think about Jesus, His message of truth upset people of all types…seems nothing ever changes.

Every word the Pope speaks is not infallible. If he says, “I like lima beans.”, this does imply we all must like lima beans. And to believe that his socialist upbringing does not influence his mindset on political issues is absolutely absurd. I agree, any time the Pope speaks about faith and morals, I’ll listen and follow. Any time the Pope is speaking about the faith of another man and how the U.S. should enforce immigration policy, I’ll remember that he grew up in socialist Argentina, and he is human and therefore is going to have different ideals about how politicians should govern.

 

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Father Federico Lombardi, the director of the Vatican press office, has insisted that Pope Francis had not intended a “personal attack” on Donald Trump.In a February 19 …

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[JoeFreedom]

“No leader, especially a religious leader, should have the right to question another man’s religion or faith,” Donald Trump

For me looking in on this issue I consider this statement by Trump to be another example of his hypocrisy.

Just last week he questioned Ted Cruz’s Christianity.

“How can Ted Cruz be an Evangelical Christian when he lies so much and is so dishonest?” Donald Trump thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/269238-trump-how-is-cruz-christian-when-he-lies-so-much

For a man who is running for the office of POTUS, who states that no leader should question another man’s religion or faith. I just can’t take Trump’s criticism of our Pope with any amount of seriousness especially after Trump blatantly question the faith of another man.

Very good point.

 

[stinkcat_14]

And, in truth, if a person does think only of building walls, and never tries to build bridges, how Christian is that?

I think this is an incredibly important point and so many people took out of context. Can you be a Christian if you only build walls without building any bridges, I cannot see how.

 

[queenofheartscv]

Very good point.

How can you be a Christian and at the same time do such and such?

A normal question to ask if you sense hypocrisy in someone. Quite different from saying, if someone says this and that, he’s not a Christian. Difference in degree, I think.

 

[JoeFreedom]

Your worried about anti Catholicism? lol…the Democratic party is anti Catholic to the core.

I wish more people would realize that. My wife’s entire extended family is Catholic, many of them life-long liberal Democrats who love Hillary and Obama. Their parish priest has his Facebook page posing with Hillary. I would hope he knows she wholeheartedly supports the sickening slaughter and murder of innocent life, and Obama is in favor of partial birth murder.

But back to the topic… Pope is infallible speaking on faith and morals. Pope is just a man when it comes to U.S. immigration policy.

 

[peter26]

Political candidates trade jibes. Religious leaders shouldn’t. After all, Pope Francis is not seeking the Republican nomination (a shame perhaps, as a debate between Francis and Trump would be epic! ).

 

[Path_Finder]

People keep mentioning Socialism but Argentina was ruled by a lot of Military Rulers, a repressive government that thank goodness, finally ended.

It is amazing how many presidents were overthrown, many military leaders, not elected leaders per se; that is the land of Peron of course.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_heads_of_state_of_Argentina

But back in those days, there was a big struggle between different schools of thought and I’d think socialism was involved.

When one mentions the Hammer and Sickle crucifix, I believe we’ve researched it, the artist was a Jesuit, Father Espinal.

cnstopstories.com/2015/07/09/hammer-sickle-crucifix-raises-eyebrows-during-popes-visit-to-bolivia/

 

[ucfengr]

I did. Why would a Catholic bless some anti-Catholic for slandering the Pope. What’s next here? A cause for the canonization of Jack Chick?

Anti-Catholics, like Mr. Limbaugh are always the the most opinionated about that part of the Catholic faith in which they are most ignorant.

I’m sure this is a waste of electrons, but Limbaugh isn’t anti-Catholic. He’s certainly of a mixed mind about Pope Francis, but then, so are a lot of Catholics.

 

[queenofheartscv]

I think this is an incredibly important point and so many people took out of context. Can you be a Christian if you only build walls without building any bridges, I cannot see how.

But that’s a straw man argument. To say that and actually apply that to a specific person is to imply that’s what the person does: only thinking about building walls and not bridges. This is an assumption that goes too far. How can you know if someone doesn’t want to build bridges? How do you know that?

 

[Micosil]

I’m sure this is a waste of electrons, but Limbaugh isn’t anti-Catholic. He’s certainly of a mixed mind about Pope Francis, but then, so are a lot of Catholics.

Reading this thread, that seems to be the case.

 

[stinkcat_14]

But that’s a straw man argument. To say that and actually apply that to a specific person is to imply that’s what the person does: only thinking about building walls and not bridges. This is an assumption that goes too far. How can you know if someone doesn’t want to build bridges? How do you know that?

How do you know he was talking specifically about Trump?

 

[ucfengr]

People keep mentioning Socialism but Argentina was ruled by a lot of Military Rulers, a repressive government that thank goodness, finally ended.

It is amazing how many presidents were overthrown, many military leaders, not elected leaders per se; that is the land of Peron of course.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_heads_of_state_of_Argentina

But back in those days, there was a big struggle between different schools of thought and I’d think socialism was involved.

When one mentions the Hammer and Sickle crucifix, I believe we’ve researched it, the artist was a Jesuit, Father Espinal.

cnstopstories.com/2015/07/09/hammer-sickle-crucifix-raises-eyebrows-during-popes-visit-to-bolivia/

“Peronism” is a socialist political system. It is more closely resembles national socialism than Marxist socialism (communism), but it is socialist in nature.