Pope suggests Trump: not Christian

[Maximilan_Kolbe]

Using this logic, does that make Obama or Biden, or Pelosi “not Christian” anymore because they support pro abortion policies?

Of course it does.

It also means there is likely not a single Christian on this website, given the imperfections of every person’s ideas and actions.

Really deep insight from the Vatican… Good to know not a single person on Catholic Answers is actually Catholic. Perhaps the Pope would prefer we call the website

“UsedToBeCatholicButISinnedOrHadASinfulThoughtSoILostMyStatusAsACatholicAnswers.com”

 

[Path_Finder]

Does no one understand metaphors? Building bridges, not walls? One cannot go into Vatican City without seeing more nationalities than any other place on Earth of similar size. It is the most “wall-less” place on Earth. “Christian” has more than one meaning. In the sense of being “like Christ”, in this context, one who does not welcome the stranger is not like the one who said, “I was a stranger and you invited me in.”

I guess Trump missed that one. (Matthew 25, btw)

The Vatican has a 40 foot wall around it.

 

[queenofheartscv]

Does no one understand metaphors? Building bridges, not walls? One cannot go into Vatican City without seeing more nationalities than any other place on Earth of similar size. It is the most “wall-less” place on Earth. “Christian” has more than one meaning. In the sense of being “like Christ”, in this context, one who does not welcome the stranger is not like the one who said, “I was a stranger and you invited me in.”

I guess Trump missed that one. (Matthew 25, btw)

Trump wants legal immigrants to come in. He wants to build a safe zone in Syria. Those don’t count as bridges?

 

[Good_Tidings]

foxnews.com/politics/2016/02/18/pope-questions-trumps-christian-faith-gop-candidate-blasts-disgraceful-comment.html?intcmp=hpbt1

I assume we are all up to speed on this, right - per Trump, the Pope’s comment is ‘disgraceful.’

(Trump is (modern liberal) Presbyterian after all…)

I dare to hope that the Donald has finally gone too far. Just heard him say “Who the hell cares?” Hollywood couldn’t write this.

 

[gracepoole]

Why should anybody care what Rush Limbaugh thinks?

Oh, I don’t. My worry is that his 13+ million listeners do.

 

[Nordar]

If anything, Europe’s immigration policy is actually making places like Paris and London more Muslim more than anything.

 

[Stylteralmaldo]

Full Text of Pope Francis’ In-Flight Interview from Mexico to Rome

Read more: ncregister.com/daily-news/full-text-of-pope-francis-in-flight-interview-from-mexico-to-rome/#ixzz40YNMoEC9

Okay, over my lunch hour, I was listening to Rush Limbaugh who was very critical of the Pope’s words. He then aired Trump’s response as to Trump’s displeasure with the Pope’s words.

Here’s what the Pope said:

Phil Pullella, Reuters: Today, you spoke very eloquently about the problems of immigration. On the other side of the border, there is a very tough electoral battle. One of the candidates for the White House, Republican, Donald Trump, in an interview recently said that you are a political man and he even said that you are a pawn, an instrument of the Mexican government for migration politics. Trump said that if he’s elected, he wants to build 2,500 kilometers of wall along the border. He wants to deport 11 million illegal immigrants, separating families, etcetera. I would like to ask you, what do you think of these accusations against you and if a North American Catholic can vote for a person like this?

Pope Francis: Thank God he said I was a politician because Aristotle defined the human person as “animal politicus.” At least I am a human person. As to whether I am a pawn, well, maybe, I don’t know. I’ll leave that up to your judgment and that of the people. And then, a person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian. This is not in the Gospel. As far as what you said about whether I would advise to vote or not to vote, I am not going to get involved in that. I say only that this man is not Christian if he has said things like that. We must see if he said things in that way and in this I give the benefit of the doubt.

Let me just say I am very disappointed in Rush Limbaugh who claims to get his facts straight and has the audacity to trust news sources he knows twists things. I’m done with Rush Limbaugh and his continued support for Donald Trump. To Limbaugh, Trump is golden because he’s “anti-establishment”. Rush claims to be conservative. What he really is, is an anti-establishment guy. This election cycle is proving that out. I’ve been listening to Rush’s show for over 20 years. I’m done with him.

 

[Path_Finder]

Oh, I don’t. My worry is that his 13+ million listeners do.

I love Rush, he may not be Catholic but he fully supports the Pro-Life cause versus those who would vote for pro-abortion politicians. The Pope calls abortion, “murder”. I hope people will be fair in judging others.

 

[Round_Hill]

npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/02/18/467220097/pope-suggests-contraception-use-may-be-lesser-evil-for-those-fearing-zika

Pope approves contraception!!

Interesting the Pope says using contraception is the “lesser evil” for those afraid of Zika Virus. I think a strong argument can be made that erecting a strong border wall like those at the Vatican is the “lesser evil” due to the problems caused by our open border today. Isn’t there a saying that a strong border makes good neighbors?

 

[Path_Finder]

Full Text of Pope Francis’ In-Flight Interview from Mexico to Rome

Read more: ncregister.com/daily-news/full-text-of-pope-francis-in-flight-interview-from-mexico-to-rome/#ixzz40YNMoEC9

Okay, over my lunch hour, I was listening to Rush Limbaugh who was very critical of the Pope’s words. He then aired Trump’s response as to Trump’s displeasure with the Pope’s words.

Here’s what the Pope said:

Let me just say I am very disappointed in Rush Limbaugh who claims to get his facts straight and has the audacity to trust news sources he knows twists things. I’m done with Rush Limbaugh and his continued support for Donald Trump. To Limbaugh, Trump is golden because he’s “anti-establishment”. Rush claims to be conservative. What he really is, is an anti-establishment guy. This election cycle is proving that out. I’ve been listening to Rush’s show for over 20 years. I’m done with him.

Now we are out on a tangent but many Trump supporters dislike Rush and Rush has come out and unabashedly, endorsed Ted Cruz.

Limbaugh’s brother is Catholic and Rush is pro-life totally, so in that, I won’t throw out the baby with the bathwater as they say.

 

[Catholic_Press]

Pope Francis has inserted himself into the US presidential campaign, telling reporters that the views on immigration held by Republican candidate Donald Trump are "not …

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[queenofheartscv]

Full Text of Pope Francis’ In-Flight Interview from Mexico to Rome

Read more: ncregister.com/daily-news/full-text-of-pope-francis-in-flight-interview-from-mexico-to-rome/#ixzz40YNMoEC9

Okay, over my lunch hour, I was listening to Rush Limbaugh who was very critical of the Pope’s words. He then aired Trump’s response as to Trump’s displeasure with the Pope’s words.

Here’s what the Pope said:

Let me just say I am very disappointed in Rush Limbaugh who claims to get his facts straight and has the audacity to trust news sources he knows twists things. I’m done with Rush Limbaugh and his continued support for Donald Trump. To Limbaugh, Trump is golden because he’s “anti-establishment”. Rush claims to be conservative. What he really is, is an anti-establishment guy. This election cycle is proving that out. I’ve been listening to Rush’s show for over 20 years. I’m done with him.

Not that I care, but Limbaugh actually supports cruz over trump.

 

[gracepoole]

I love Rush, he may not be Catholic but he fully supports the Pro-Life cause versus those who would vote for pro-abortion politicians. The Pope calls abortion, “murder”. I hope people will be fair in judging others.

I don’t think you understand my point. When Limbaugh mischaracterizes the pope as wanting the US to become a socialist country and eliminate all traces of capitalism, his audience listens. I assume Catholics want the faith to be accurately represented, not fall victim to soundbites that spin it inappropriately.

And as usual, abortion has nothing to do with this thread.

 

[FollowChrist34]

Does no one understand metaphors? Building bridges, not walls? One cannot go into Vatican City without seeing more nationalities than any other place on Earth of similar size. It is the most “wall-less” place on Earth. “Christian” has more than one meaning. In the sense of being “like Christ”, in this context, one who does not welcome the stranger is not like the one who said, “I was a stranger and you invited me in.”

I guess Trump missed that one. (Matthew 25, btw)

Indeed, indeed. I do agree with stringent efforts to stem illegal immigration from the Southern border, all borders really (not a firm yes or no on the wall), but at least I admit as a matter of conscience that my position is pretty darn unChristian.

I like Rubio on immigration very much, including his so called backing down on amnesty - I think he is actually about the best of the GOP on this issue. Dare I say also among the more Christian (?) - but he supports the wall - at least he is not into deporting 11 million - just the criminals, etc.

 

[meltzerboy]

Here’s a news story that took off in a hurry!

I haven’t read all the posts yet, but I just want to point out that I doubt Pope Francis’ intent was to single out Trump as a non-Christian. If you look at some of the homilies, addresses, speeches, etc. that Pope Francis gives, he very frequently calls out specific behavior as being “not Christian.” I did a site search of news.va for “pope francis” and “not Christian” and came upon a number of statements from the pope:

• Fearful and joyless communities are not Christian
• We do not advertise Jesus Christ, to have more 'members’ in our ‘spiritual society’, no? This is not necessary. There’s no need; it’s not Christian.
• Our Christian identity is belonging to a people: the Church . Without this, we are not Christians.
• Saint Paul exhorts us not to judge and not to despise our brothers, because this leads to excluding them from “our little group,” to being selective, and this is not Christian.
• A Christian without joy is not Christian
• A disciple of Jesus who does not serve others is not Christian
• Without the Cross, the Christian style is not Christian

And that’s just the first page of hits.

I don’t think Francis’ point is to excommunicate people but rather to get people to reflect on how better to act like Christians.

CAF readers, pay attention! This post is the most insightful of the lot. There is indeed a difference between calling someone not a Christian and saying that their behavior is not Christian. I’m now inclined to change my view about what the Pope actually meant. Thank you, Joe.

 

[Stylteralmaldo]

Why should anybody care what Rush Limbaugh thinks?

In theory, nobody should care. However, the reality is that he is a very influential personality. He seems to have nothing but great things to say about Donald Trump. I don’t mind so much that he speaks of Trump ruffling feathers of the “Washington establishment”. However, he rarely ever brings up Trump’s baggage like he does the liberal Democrats. Very disappointed in him. Although, Limbaugh is just a reflection of where society is going in general. There is no doubt in my mind that Limbaugh’s message to the masses has changed. He went from being a conservative to being an anti-establishment guy. That change didn’t happen overnight though. He’s been trending that way for quite some time.

 

[GaryTaylor]

I assume Catholics want the faith to be accurately represented, not fall victim to soundbites that spin it inappropriately.

But thats all the entire thread is.

 

[Good_Tidings]

The pope is really throwing his hat into the ring, and entering the fray of American politics.
His previous work as a bouncer is appropriate for this kind of rough and tumble.

It is not the kind of thing that we are used to seeing popes do, for sure.

Maybe he heard we don’t care about being politically correct anymore.

 

[gracepoole]

Full Text of Pope Francis’ In-Flight Interview from Mexico to Rome

Read more: ncregister.com/daily-news/full-text-of-pope-francis-in-flight-interview-from-mexico-to-rome/#ixzz40YNMoEC9

Okay, over my lunch hour, I was listening to Rush Limbaugh who was very critical of the Pope’s words. He then aired Trump’s response as to Trump’s displeasure with the Pope’s words.

Here’s what the Pope said:

Let me just say I am very disappointed in Rush Limbaugh who claims to get his facts straight and has the audacity to trust news sources he knows twists things. I’m done with Rush Limbaugh and his continued support for Donald Trump. To Limbaugh, Trump is golden because he’s “anti-establishment”. Rush claims to be conservative. What he really is, is an anti-establishment guy. This election cycle is proving that out. I’ve been listening to Rush’s show for over 20 years. I’m done with him.

Glad I’m not the only one who heard that and found it disturbing.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=13678271&postcount=119

 

[Path_Finder]

I don’t think you understand my point. When Limbaugh mischaracterizes the pope as wanting the US to become a socialist country and eliminate all traces of capitalism, his audience listens. I assume Catholics want the faith to be accurately represented, not fall victim to soundbites that spin it inappropriately.

And as usual, abortion has nothing to do with this thread.

One can say Limbaugh has nothing to do with this thread. Who brought him into it? One brings Limbaugh into it, then, he is fair game and along with his moral views.

As for Limbaugh talking about Marxism, excuse me, I may disagree with this but there are signs where one could make the case for such.

Marxism, off-topic a bit as well.