Pope suggests Trump: not Christian

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Maximilan_Kolbe said:
Sadly, the excuse makers have yet to say that is what was meant.

I suspect he meant that sort of behavior ui unchristian. Sure. Everyone’s behavior is at some point.

That does not stop making the person a Christian, any more than Joe Biden stops being a Catholic because he ignores Church teaching on a host of issues.

Instead, you get a group of people agreeing with what was literally said and saying “Trump can no longer be a Christian.”

That’s nonsense and a bunch of garbage. Of course he is. He was baptized.

Most mature folks who heard the Pope, however inaccurate his specific words were, knew what he was getting at, and likely agreed.

It’s basically like him saying to me:

Him - “Max, a person who types on Catholic Answers whilst on the clock at work is behaving in an unchristian manner.”

Me - **bows head * *“Yes, Holy Father, I know.”

versus

Him - “Max, a person types on Catholic Answers whilst on the clock at work is not a Christian.”

Me - *head snaps out indignantly *“Say what???”
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I agree. But if your example is real rather than hypothetical, all I can say is…GET BACK TO WORK!
 
Falwell Jr.: JFK ‘Rolling in His Grave’ Over Pope’s Comments on Trump
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Further, said Falwell, “I think the Pope is mistaken. I think John F. Kennedy would be rolling over in his grave right now if he could hear what the Pope was saying, because that’s a man who fought to be president against lots of prejudice, because many Protestants in this country did not want to elect a Catholic president, and he broke down those barriers.”
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Jesus said to “render under Caesar the things that are Caesar’s,” Falwell continued. “And that means to choose the best president. Here’s the Pope saying we have to choose the leaders — sounds like he’s saying this — that share his faith. Or share the Christian faith.”
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Breaking News at Newsmax.com newsmax.com/Headline/Jerry-Falwell-JrJFK-Pope-Francis-Trump/2016/02/18/id/714992/#ixzz40YWYV87K
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turtle18 said:
While I don’t necessarily disagree with the Pope, I am wondering why he singled out Trump. Honestly, supporting the wholesale, widespread slaughter of innocent babies is definitely NOT CHRISTIAN, but to my knowledge I have never heard him call out a single Democratic candidate on that especially the so called Catholic ones.
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He singled out Trump because he was in Mexico, at the border and was asked about Trump.
 
Path_Finder said:
This is a Catholic forum, if one reads some of the guidelines, it mentions in reading news articles that they may tie into the Catholic faith, Rush’s brother David I understand, converted to Catholicism. Why was not the same objection one is voicing brought on this?

I have heard Rush Limbaugh speak about a statement Pope Francis has made and said “That’s straight Marxism”, not the topic of this thread by the way, once again, perhaps one thinks it is okay for some to go off-topic per their own definition but as to Rush Limbaugh saying Pope Francis wants the US to reject capitalism and embrace socialism, I have not heard this and such allegations really should be proven!
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There’s just one misunderstanding after another here so let’s agree to end it here.

(But if you support Limbaugh, yes, you should learn more about what he’s saying about the pope – today Limbaugh literally said the pope wants the US to become socialist and reject capitalism, which is also to say that the pope is promoting a philosophy rejected by the Church.)
 
Path_Finder said:
I’m sure the wall is simply about protecting the Vatican; as it is 2000 years old, it has had to withstand invasions as far as my knowledge of history is.
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I was curious about the history of the Vatican City and it’s walls. I didn’t realize that the City/ State was only designated as such in 1929. So recent! Before that, the Papal states were much more extensive as political powers throughout Italy. There were churches in what we know of the Vatican now, of course, and there have been buildings over St Peter’s spot in it’s many forms, but Popes didn’t live in the designated Vatican buildings at all until 1377. (They lived across Rome at the Lateran Palace until they moved to Avignon in France.)

Fascinating! See what you can learn here?
 
I will ask this again. What person is only thinking about building walls and not bridges? Trump wants people to come in legally. Does that not count as a bridge?
 
Stylteralmaldo said:
This is what the Pope said:

Pope Francis: Thank God he said I was a politician because Aristotle defined the human person as “animal politicus.” At least I am a human person. As to whether I am a pawn, well, maybe, I don’t know. I’ll leave that up to your judgment and that of the people. And then, a person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian. This is not in the Gospel. **As far as what you said about whether I would advise to vote or not to vote, I am not going to get involved in that. I say only that this man is not Christian if he has said things like that. We must see if he said things in that way and in this I give the benefit of the doubt. **

This is what Rush Limbaugh said:

Rush Limbaugh: Well, there’s big news to open the program with. CNN just reporting that il Papa, Pope Francis, upon boarding the pope jet on the return to Italy from Mexico said that Donald Trump is not a Christian. Man are they pulling out all the stops now. The Pope says that Donald Trump is not a Christian, because Christians do not build walls, they build bridges. Nevermind that the Vatican is surrounded by a wall and we won’t even talk about who built that wall. But that’s what the pope said. And given the pope’s political leanings I’m surprised he isn’t on the campaign trail for Bernie Sanders. But maybe Bernie Sanders is too far to the right for the pope.
See what I bolded for emphasis (above and below)

Note: The pope was responding to this question:

Phil Pullella, Reuters: Today, you spoke very eloquently about the problems of immigration. On the other side of the border, there is a very tough electoral battle. One of the candidates for the White House, Republican, Donald Trump, in an interview recently said that you are a political man and he even said that you are a pawn, an instrument of the Mexican government for migration politics. Trump said that if he’s elected, he wants to build 2,500 kilometers of wall along the border. He wants to deport 11 million illegal immigrants, separating families, etcetera. I would like to ask you, what do you think of these accusations against you and if a North American Catholic can vote for a person like this?
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One does realize Rush Limbaugh says a lot of things in jest and with humor. So this is what is so objectionable and I am talking about the emboldened part.

The Holy Father received the Hammer and Sickle cross in Bolivia, one can find pictures of Him with Raul Castro who a lot of people say has done some very, very bad things. The Pope may say one thing or another that to some may sound leftist.
 
irishpatrick said:
But walls, by there very nature, are a human failure. There really should never be a need for walls–never. The fact that walls sometimes are needed, is a sign of human failure.

Door locks are the same thing. The fact that we feel unsafe and lock our doors, is a human failure.
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I think it is reasonable to support walls around prisons and prison door locks. I see nothing morally wrong with people having a fence around their property and locks on their doors.
 
Come talk to me when he reigns in Catholic politicians that support abortion. So far I haven’t seen any of them stated to be not Christian or even not Catholic.
 
queenofheartscv said:
I will ask this again. What person is only thinking about building walls and not bridges? Trump wants people to come in legally. Does that not count as a bridge?
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Exactly, Trump has even said something about a door, a “big beautiful door” or something like that, has he not? I know if one knows Trumps’ words, one has heard him mention this.

A door is the same kind of thing as a bridge in this case, I think.
 
Tomdstone said:
I think it is reasonable to support walls around prisons and prison door locks. I see nothing morally wrong with people having a fence around their property and locks on their doors.
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But have you also thought about building bridges? If you haven’t, you might be in trouble.
 
Cider said:
Come talk to me when he reigns in Catholic politicians that support abortion. So far I haven’t seen any of them stated to be not Christian or even not Catholic.
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Uh-oh :eek: , off-topic, perhaps we should have said “same-sex marriage” to use as an example.
 
gracepoole said:
There’s just one misunderstanding after another here so let’s agree to end it here.

(But if you support Limbaugh, yes, you should learn more about what he’s saying about the pope – today Limbaugh literally said the pope wants the US to become socialist and reject capitalism, which is also to say that the pope is promoting a philosophy rejected by the Church.)
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Why single out Limbaugh? There are other influential radio personalities like Laura Ingraham and Pat Buchanan, both of whom are American Catholics, who have said similar things about the Pope’s political statements.

According to Buchanan, when Pope Francis “speaks on issues like climate change and political issues and the rest of it, he speaks as an Argentine Jesuit socialist.” I don’t think he said this to be disparaging, but to point out the real differences in wordview between American Catholics and those in say Latin America where socialism has strong historical roots. .

universalfreepress.com/2015/pat-buchanan-pope-an-argentine-jesuit-socialist-with-no-infallibility-on-climate-change/
 
Cider said:
Come talk to me when he reigns in Catholic politicians that support abortion. So far I haven’t seen any of them stated to be not Christian or even not Catholic.
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I agree.

I support a wall - virtual of physical - so I guess I am not Christian?
 
Cider said:
Come talk to me when he reigns in Catholic politicians that support abortion. So far I haven’t seen any of them stated to be not Christian or even not Catholic.
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:tsktsk:

lifenews.com/2013/05/07/pope-francis-pro-abortion-politicians-ineligible-for-communion/
In the letter, Pope Francis directed the Argentinean bishops to govern the Church there following the Aparecida Document.
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The text states, in part, “[people] cannot receive Holy Communion and at the same time act with deeds or words against the commandments, particularly when abortion, euthanasia, and other grave crimes against life and family are encouraged. This responsibility weighs particularly over legislators, heads of governments, and health professionals.”
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queenofheartscv said:
I will ask this again. What person is only thinking about building walls and not bridges? Trump wants people to come in legally. Does that not count as a bridge?
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He hasn’t appealed to any faith base in Mexico like he is in SC. He doesn’t need the Catholic vote which is quite clear. Whos going to speak from the heart to these Catholics like the Pope has? I don’t see anyone and again I’ll repeat that also.
 
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