Pope suggests Trump: not Christian

[Path_Finder]

Sarcasm in this situation is not helpful.

Factual not sarcasm, favoring one country over others does not quite appear to be Christian neither.

Are we really caring about the poor or just a certain kind of poor?

I think such is valid if the emotional appeal about helping the poor is made, there are much more poorer people in this world than from Mexico and let’s face it, people from all over come across the border nowadays.

 

[Maximilan_Kolbe]

Quote:

“A person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian. This is not in the Gospel,”

Read more: ncregister.com/daily-news/pope-person-who-thinks-only-about-building-walls-not-building-bridges-is-no/#ixzz40YjoMtxu

And since no one can actually know what another man is thinking, this whole topic has been a big debate over nothing. No one knows what Trump thinks. They know what he says, and his policies support both a wall and a bridge, so if that is indicative of what he thinks, the Pope’s statement doesn’t even apply to him, and if it does, only Trump would know.

Regardless, since it is the year of mercy, I’d expect folks to assume the best of Trump’s thoughts and assume he thinks about both walls and bridges.

 

[gracepoole]

I think the Pope is out of control

 

[irishpatrick]

I am a conservative, but I am a Catholic first. I find it critical to consider what the successor to Peter has to say–and I do that by reading what he says,rather than listening to anti-Catholic talking heads who seem to intentionally leave portions the Pope’s words out of their analysis.

 

[irishpatrick]

Factual not sarcasm, favoring one country over others does not quite appear to be Christian neither.

Are we really caring about the poor or just a certain kind of poor?

I think such is valid if the emotional appeal about helping the poor is made, there are much more poorer people in this world than from Mexico and let’s face it, people from all over come across the border nowadays.

Read the Pope’s words.

 

[Cider]

I think there is a huge divide between Mass attending Catholics and CINO. The latter will love the Pope’s comments - the former, some not happy with the current Pope, might be given a push by these comments to vote for Trump. To express their disappointment in an indirect way?

Who would actually vote for Trump as a protest against the Pope?

 

[Stylteralmaldo]

These comments today by the Pope have set up yet another roadblock for Protestants who are open to investigating the Catholic Church and maybe even converting.

I disagree with this. If people want to know the truth of Catholicism, they will find it. Anything a Catholic (the Pope or otherwise) says that deters someone from joining the Catholic Church, isn’t the Pope’s doing. It’s the Holy Spirit that converts the soul, not any particular person.

 

[Path_Finder]

Read the Pope’s words.

Read the Vatican documents on immigration.

 

[Son_of_Niall]

I will say this. Pope Francis isn’t the best communicator.

Yes he is. He is a wonderful communicator because he speaks to the people. Not corporations or the elite. Another start difference between the Vicar of Christ and Trump.

 

[Bookcat]

Quote:

“A person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian. This is not in the Gospel,”

Read more: ncregister.com/daily-news/pope-person-who-thinks-only-about-building-walls-not-building-bridges-is-no/#ixzz40YjoMtxu

I am not a supporter of Mr. Trump - but I note this for the fuller context.

 

[Maximilan_Kolbe]

I am a conservative, but I am a Catholic first. I find it critical to consider what the successor to Peter has to say–and I do that by reading what he says,rather than listening to anti-Catholic talking heads who seem to intentionally leave portions the Pope’s words out of their analysis.

I agree. I try to internalize the Pope’s words, not project them onto others.

So why the multi-page topic on Donald Trump, since no one knows what another person is thinking?

Somehow, the Pope’s *exact *words sent people after Trump, when they should have been looking at themselves.

 

[ringil]

I’m now waiting for the Pope to return home and call out ‘tear down this wall’, the wall that surrounds the Vatican. Then he should relax the Vatican’s highly restrictive citizenship policy! All should be within his power as the Head of State.

Apples and oranges.

Virtually no one is a permanent resident of the Vatican.

 

[Path_Finder]

I think there is a huge divide between Mass attending Catholics and CINO. The latter will love the Pope’s comments - the former, some not happy with the current Pope, might be given a push by these comments to vote for Trump. To express their disappointment in an indirect way?

This has truth to it.

 

[pnewton]

Not to mention, focusing on a wall and not including the rest of the plan for addressing immigration issues is silly, and shows an unwillingness to seriously debate Trump’s plan on the part of posters.

I think those who are focusing on the wall are not the one’s you think they are. For that matter, I do not think the wall that is being discussed mostly is the wall you think it is.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

What does that even mean? What does it mean to not “other” people? Does it mean we can’t lock our doors, have to welcome all strangers into our houses and country, not worry about drugs and crime, not make a peep when people break our laws? Trump wants immigrants but legal ones. What’s so wRong with that?

The Pope is saying that the building of bridges between people, is what is needed. Building a brick and mortar wall will only cause more harm than good in the long run.

Jim

 

[JimR-OCDS]

So now what defines trump is that he doesn’t mind using extreme measures in order to protect innocent lives? So what determines a persons soul has come down to this?

The use of torture is condemned by the Church.

Jim

 

[popist2000]

It’s really sad to see how blind and clueless Pope Francis is in the geopolitical arena. He actually contradicts God Himself.
It is God’s will that all the people should be separated according to their races and ethnicities. This has been the norm
ever since the tower of Babel incident.

Acts 17:26
From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands.

BTW, just because Mexicans are mostly Catholic doesn’t give them a green light to come to the USA and Canada and start intermarrying with Caucasians. This is genocide through mongrolisation. Building a fence, and sending all these Mexicans back
To the lands God appointed for them is the least we can do, and I firmly support Trump in this.

Anybody who refuses to see that the main agenda of the Satanic New World Order is genocidal mongrolisation of the Caucasian people is
blind. This entire immigrant crisis has been engineered for this very purpose. Sadly, in this arena, our Pope is totally blind.

 

[Maximilan_Kolbe]

Yes he is. He is a wonderful communicator because he speaks to the people. Not corporations or the elite. Another start difference between the Vicar of Christ and Trump.

Well that’s not divisive at all. And here I thought the Pope, and Christ, spoke to all of God’s children. Apparently blue-bloods and oil barons don’t merit Christ’s love. Perhaps, just for this one year, the Year of Mercy, the Pope will speak to even the lowliest of Christ’s people, me*.

• is a corporation, legally.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

While I don’t necessarily disagree with the Pope, I am wondering why he singled out Trump. Honestly, supporting the wholesale, widespread slaughter of innocent babies is definitely NOT CHRISTIAN, but to my knowledge I have never heard him call out a single Democratic candidate on that especially the so called Catholic ones.

He didn’t single out Trump, the reporter asking the question, which he presented what we think is Trump’s position, is what the Pope responded to.

The Pope answer was clear, “if that’s what he said, its not Christian.”

What he[Trump] said, is what the reporter told the Pope, not necessarily what Trump actually said.

Jim

 

[Stylteralmaldo]

I am a conservative, but I am a Catholic first. I find it critical to consider what the successor to Peter has to say–and I do that by reading what he says,rather than listening to anti-Catholic talking heads who seem to intentionally leave portions the Pope’s words out of their analysis.

As a conservative myself, I agree with you. Catholic first. It irritates me when the right (-]conservatives/-] anti-establishment types like Limbaugh) do the same things the left does. It defeats the cause of conservatism in my opinion.