Pope: There won't be women cardinals

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JReducation said:
There have been lay cardinals. Not all cardinals have always been clerics. The clerics have dominated the College of Cardinals. There have been prominent cardinals who were clerics, but not bishops: St. Bonaventure (friar and a priest), Bl. John Henry Newman (a clerk regular) and Avery Dulles, SJ (a clerk regular).
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And let’s not forget Stan Musial and Dizzy Dean
 
McCall1981 said:
“Whoever thinks of women as cardinals suffers a bit from clericalism.”
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I don’t necessarily agree with the Holy Father. As has been pointed out by others in this thread, while cardinals are currently all clerics, the clerical importance of their office is minimal. One could just as easily have said, “Whoever thinks of women as heads of Vatican dicasteries suffers a bit from clericalism.”🤷
 
getysbg said:
You are correct. While Wikopedia can and does contain errors, it tends to give relatively unbiased views on subjects This is only part of what they have to say about cardinals who are not ordained:

“Lay cardinals”
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Thank you (and other respondents). “Lay Cardinals” is the magic phrase that gets results on the search engines, and there is a lot of reading out there. I can’t say that it has entirely cleared up the ambiguity for me, but it looks as though it is somewhat ambiguous even for Catholics.
 
Arizona_Mike said:
Pope Francis has denied rumors that he intends to name women as cardinals in the Catholic church, telling a prominent Italian newspaper he was unsure where the idea, which has circulated in recent weeks, had come from.

“I don’t know where any such an idea came from," the pope told the Italian daily La Stampa in an interview published online Saturday. "Women in the Church must be valued not ‘clericalised.’”
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The idea came from the left’s propaganda machine. It was a manufactured faux story intended to influence public opinion and pressure the Pope. My policy whenever I hear about a “news” story from the secular media is guilty (of propaganda) until proven innocent, especially when it’s dealing with Catholicism.
 
JReducation said:
There have been lay cardinals. Not all cardinals have always been clerics.
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Brendan said:
I am aware of several historical Cardinals who were laymen prior to entry into the College, but all of the ones that I am aware of were given tonsure. So they would have been in the clerical state as Cardinals.

Are you aware of one who was not tonsured as a cleric upon entry into the College?
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Curious to hear response to this.
 
Am I the only getting a little irritated by the fact that the Holy Father has to keep addressing this media-invented stuff? :mad:
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
Am I the only getting a little irritated by the fact that the Holy Father has to keep addressing this media-invented stuff? :mad:
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I think what happened is that some of his vague statements early in his pontificate created a situation where all of the “controversial” issues (of which I’d say there are around ten or so) were seen as being “open for discussion”. Since that time, he has “closed the discussion” on some of them (like he did here with Women Cardinals) but not on all of them. It’s like he’s very slowly working his way through the list, closing them one at a time. As long as some of them remain suppossedly “open”, I think the media stuff will continue.

The frustrating thing is that I think he could end all of it in about two minutes if he just clearly stated a couple of things.
 
NiceanParadox said:
What, exactly, makes a female counterbalance to the male hegemony of the Catholic Church “nonsense”?
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Jesus was a man.

[sarcasm]I am wondering what can be done to have a male counterbalance to the Blessed Mother. [/sarcasm]

To sum up: if it ain’t broke (and it ain’t) don’t find a liberal “fix” for it.
 
The Holy Father indicated that the solution is to make sure women have valued (name removed by moderator)ut into Church affairs; not to make them priests.

I have a feeling 2014 will be an important year for women in the Church.
 
NiceanParadox said:
What, exactly, makes a female counterbalance to the male hegemony of the Catholic Church “nonsense”?
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The thought of women being placed in the role of a priest is nonsense. Could Joseph have carried Jesus in his womb? No that is impossible; neither could Mary stand as the High Priest at the Last Supper that would have been equally as impossible.
 
Understanding the definition of the word hegemony would be a good start. Assuming that there could be no benefit from women as clergy and that it would perpetuate power games and political machinations seems a gross oversimplification.
 
If you’re aware of what the word means, then how is it that you could look at the organizational structure of the church and feel that it does not in any way apply? I’m asking an honest question…
 
NiceanParadox said:
Understanding the definition of the word hegemony would be a good start. Assuming that there could be no benefit from women as clergy and that it would perpetuate power games and political machinations seems a gross oversimplification.
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What would the benefit be?
 
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