Because at one point in time it was infallibly declared that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and at another point in time it was infallibly declared that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and from the Son.
The two statements do not contradict, so the both my be considered infallible.
The Eastern Orthodox do not agree with your interpretation. they say the two statements do contradict and present that as an argument agaisnt papal infallibility.
Perhaps true, but that was before the definitions of universal papal jurisdiction and papal infallibility.
Yes, The Eastern Orthodox contend that leavened bread was used at the Last Supper.
It was Passover, the “Feast of Unleavened Bread”.
I think that the timing of the exact day for the Passover is something in dispute and the Orthodox do not accept the Catholic viewpoint on it. This would have to be checked.
My finding is that Catholics generally are OK with a reunion, but that Orthodox are a bit wary of reunion. There are various reaons for this, including those I listed above, but also there are historical problems with the fourth crusade, Poland, attempts to convert parts of Russia, etc.It was the working of The Holy Spirit that brought The Holy Father and The Holy Patriarch (Bartholomew) together this past weekend. As one whose family is in BOTH branches of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic church…it was lovely to see the successors of Saint Peter & Saint Andrew together again…and fishing together in the Name of Christ. Our churches are sister churches…we can go to each other’s services…just not able (yet) for Full Communion. BOTH sides lungs can learn from each other, and embrace our differences. They will know we are Chrstians By our Love for one another; which says, “Let’s talk, go fishing, and spend time getting re-aquanted.”
It WILL happen, in God’s timing, not ours…
Do the Orthodox accept the validity of the Eucharist with unleavened bread?
This is a prime example of why the two churches are seperate roman way of thinking is not the same way the eastern orthodox think. Since Im on the montian so to speak Im begging to see this more and more I can see why the division is obvious.
Catholics and Orthodox can work together on many decent Christian goals, but there are still two Churches: One is the Roman Catholic Church and the other is the Eastern Orthodox Church…if I am able…we Orthodox Christians, may have a different way of seeing some things…and have wounds that are still healing. The fall of Comstantinople, the loss of Hagai Sophia (our St Peter’s) the jewel of the East; that is now a museum. The place that made the Zar of Russia kneel at her beauty and convert. I know for my father’s and grandfather’s generations who had to flee for their lives and lose the lands we came from…broke their hearts.
For me; third generation, there has to come a time when we “do what Jesus would do.” Love one another not “despite” our difference, but because of them.
1/2 of my family is Catholic, 1/2 of my family is Orthodox…and yet we’ve all managed to rejoice in what we have in comon. My Orthodox Grandmother came from the same town in Albania as Blessed Mother Theresa of Calcutta. My Catholic Grandmother came from the same area as Pope Benedict.
We go to each other’s services. Those who are Catholic take communion at their church, and the Othodox do the same. We share Bible Studyies, food and fesitvals…we work together side by side. One day I hope our two churches will be in Full Communion…until then there is much to share and learn from each other.
I thought that there were two Churches: one was the Roman Catholic Church and the other was the Eastern Orthodox Church. This is because a Roman Catholic is not allowed by the Eastern Orthodox to receive holy Communion in the Eastern Orthodox Church. And according to the Eastern Orthodox, an Eastern Orthodox is not allowed to receive Holy Communion in a Roman Catholic church. And on top of that many Eastern Orthodox do not recognise the Sacraments of the Roman Catholic Church. When one Church does not recognise the Sacraments of the other, it means that the two Churches are not united.The is only ONE church…established by God. We have a point in the Divine Liturgy at the point of consecration when the Priest says…“The lamb of God is broken and distributed, broken but not-divided.” This is true for God’s church/the body of Christ. We may be broken, but we are NOT divided. We may have differences, but we are One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic.
That’s rather unfair IMO. Thoses Masses are completely illicit in the Catholic Church, performed by weird priests who should be laicised immediatly and sent to a monastery to live out the rest of their days.
I give up…you are right they are TWO churches…but we are SISTER churches…just as Peter and Andrew we/are brothers. I was merely trying to build and bridge, or offer a up the idea…that we are ONE in Christ Jesus.
No, in one case there was a bishop who was presiding.
It is a nice idea, that there be one Church in the future. But I am afraid that the Orthodox are reluctant to go along with the reunion unless the Roman Catholic Church makes some changes as I have outlined above. And the Catholics won’t give in on some very substantive questions. The two Churches are close in many ways, but still at this point in time, there are two Churches, as many people like to say, two sister Churches. But there are those who do not accept even this terminology?