Pope under fire for Yad Vashem speech

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**You’re going to have to correct my misunderstandings on this and show me where the Catholic Church was culpable for the Holocaust.
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----- yes, especially since Germany was an overwhelimingly (nominally) Protestant
country, and especially as the Nazi Leaders were apostate Christians who were fervent devotees of the Occult, as has been widely and thoroughly documented.

+JMJ+
 
The Pope got a warm welcome of gratitude and cordiality from many of the Jewsih people there. So jsut because a few have raised objections, it should not reflect on the others.
 
A) The old Holy Father, the Servant of God John Paul II, ALREADY apologized for the role of SOME Catholics played in the Holocaust. How many popes have to do so? Every one from now until the Savior comes in His Glory?

B) There was nothing wrong with the Holy Father’s speech. It addressed the Holocaust just as it should have been, whether at Vad Yashem or elsewhere. It was replete with sorrow over the Shoah and it was delivered by a good and gentle man. The reaction is ABSOLUTE RUBBISH!

This whole thing is so infuriating that I wish he hadn’t gone. I feel like I would if someone picked on my grandfather: I’d want to punch them!

GET OFF THE POPE’S BACK!!!
While I agree that it is infuriating, don’t let a few bad eggs spoil your view of all the Jews.
 
It’s such a shame that one headline created by the statements of a few off-the-wall Rabbis has eclipsed the fact that the Pope’s visit has been a huge success and a tremendous blessing for the people of Israel.

Why does it always seem to happen that way?
 
While I agree that it is infuriating, don’t let a few bad eggs spoil your view of all the Jews.
I don’t intend to do so. I quite respect Judaism, though I believe they must turn to Christ, the fufillment of THEIR covenant with God.
 
That Knesset speaker should get off his high and mighty horse for once and acknowledge what the Church had done for the Jew during the holocaust instead of narrowly focusing on the apology. So annoying!
JPII already did that, which is alot more than one can say about anyone or group.
Benedict may be German but he is not the man responsible for the holocaust just as much as the arrogant speaker is responsible for the death of Jesus.

He acts as if his people is all there is on this earth. It’s tiresome to keep hearing about special treatment for the Jew. :yawn: I’m not undermining the horror of the holocaust but you get my meaning. They may be a chosen people, but they don’t remain as the only one. Until they acknowledge this fact, then they’ll turn to Christ.

Enough apologizing already, and let’s move on to other misery in this world…
 
It’s no consolation, but some of the ultra-orthodox Jews are just as hard (or harder) on other Jews. The Pope got off easy in comparison.
 
An other thing we should remember is that asking forgiveness for sins of which forgiveness have been asked already is a sin.

In 2000, JPII did ask forgiveness for the sins of some of the sons and doughters of the Church relating to the Holocost. There is no way B16 can ask more forgiveness without doubting the mercy of God.

The Popes are serious in their prayers.
Those Israelis people are taking everything politically. They think our Popes are going there for some political show…

You can ask forgiveness for the same sin over and over again.
And you can’t encourage an other in sin by fullfilling their disordered desires.
So the Pope won’t do what they are asking just to please them…

My wish is only that the Vatican clarifies these points somehow.
 
The Jerusalem Post is a strongly nationalist Israeli newspaper and thus it cannot understand the Holy Father’s moderation.
 
That Knesset speaker should get off his high and mighty horse for once and acknowledge what the Church had done for the Jew during the holocaust instead of narrowly focusing on the apology. So annoying!..
But what about the protection and establishment of the ratlines that helped the escape of the Nazi Catholic ustase from Croatia?
 
The relations between the Vatican and Israel are complex, of long standing, and many of their meetings over the years have been secret. There was some kind of formal signed agreement in 1993, I think, and Israel promised to give East Jerusalum and the Temple Mount to Vatican control.

All religion aside, Israel has many people just like many of the USA now, who do not want to give up their land, their borders and their sovereignty as a nation. But the leaders of the USA and the leaders of Israel are basically the same people - traitors who want a one world government and a one world relgion. The Council on Foreign Relations holds much control over US presidential administration as well as Israel administration.

I have also read that *the president Peres is exerting pressure on the government to give up sovereignty over six sites, including the Church of the Annunciation in Nazareth, the Coenaculum on Mount Zion, Gethsemane on the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem, and the Church of the Multiplication on the Kinneret.

The report quoted Beit Hanassi as saying that talks had been going on long enough, and that the time had come to compromise with the Vatican and come to an agreement.

On Sunday, according to the report, Beit Hanassi requested that the Interior Ministry sign documents ceding sovereignty. However, Yishai refused.

“Every concession like this limits the Israeli government’s ability to function as a sovereign government in the area,” the interior minister was quoted as saying. *

I am afraid all of this gets very complex. This visit of the pope to Israel cannot be looked upon in a superficial and naive way. This visit was about jokeying for position in the “new world order” and the pope and the church have some kind of plan to bring in the world government and get the whole world to go along with it.

Also, I think the Catholic Church teaches “replacement theology” which I think means that Israel is now the true church and any promises by God to orthodox covenant Jews is no longer operative.

The Jewish people are never going to forget the Shoah. However, many of them were not expecting an apology pers se from the pope: they were just expecting a more “historic” less neutral speech.

I think the Oslo Accords and the goal of peace there is sort of a “cover story” for the real plans being implemented and worked toward in Jerusalem.

Pope Benedict was a Hitler Youth, something for which we may be able to forgive because he was very young, but he volunteered for the Wermacht and he was a loyal NAZI soldier. Pope Pius XII did know about and facilitate the rat line, even holding some of the NAZI war criminals in monasteries until they could be secreted out of Italy. South America had several NAZI towns full of NAZIs, and the USA received and rewarded several NAZI scientists under Project Paperclip. Von Braun is responsible for US rocketry technology and the space program.

I believe the bible is true. I do not understand it nearly enough, but I do know that this world will come to climatic events and they will center on Jerusalem. I also know that now in world history is a time of deception everywhere in all of our institutions and in the words spoken by all of our leaders. Only the Holy Spirit can keep us steady and focused on our Lord and Savior and remaining faithful to Him.
 
The relations between the Vatican and Israel are complex, of long standing, and many of their meetings over the years have been secret. There was some kind of formal signed agreement in 1993, I think, and Israel promised to give East Jerusalum and the Temple Mount to Vatican control.

All religion aside, Israel has many people just like many of the USA now, who do not want to give up their land, their borders and their sovereignty as a nation. But the leaders of the USA and the leaders of Israel are basically the same people - traitors who want a one world government and a one world relgion. The Council on Foreign Relations holds much control over US presidential administration as well as Israel administration.

I have also read that the president Peres is exerting pressure on the government to give up sovereignty over six sites, including the Church of the Annunciation in Nazareth, the Coenaculum on Mount Zion, Gethsemane on the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem, and the Church of the Multiplication on the Kinneret.

*The report quoted Beit Hanassi as saying that talks had been going on long enough, and that the time had come to compromise with the Vatican and come to an agreement. *

*On Sunday, according to the report, Beit Hanassi requested that the Interior Ministry sign documents ceding sovereignty. However, Yishai refused. *

*“Every concession like this limits the Israeli government’s ability to function as a sovereign government in the area,” the interior minister was quoted as saying. *

I am afraid all of this gets very complex. This visit of the pope to Israel cannot be looked upon in a superficial and naive way. This visit was about jokeying for position in the “new world order” and the pope and the church have some kind of plan to bring in the world government and get the whole world to go along with it.

Also, I think the Catholic Church teaches “replacement theology” which I think means that Israel is now the true church and any promises by God to orthodox covenant Jews is no longer operative.

The Jewish people are never going to forget the Shoah. However, many of them were not expecting an apology pers se from the pope: they were just expecting a more “historic” less neutral speech.

I think the Oslo Accords and the goal of peace there is sort of a “cover story” for the real plans being implemented and worked toward in Jerusalem.

Pope Benedict was a Hitler Youth, something for which we may be able to forgive because he was very young, but he volunteered for the Wermacht and he was a loyal NAZI soldier. Pope Pius XII did know about and facilitate the rat line, even holding some of the NAZI war criminals in monasteries until they could be secreted out of Italy. South America had several NAZI towns full of NAZIs, and the USA received and rewarded several NAZI scientists under Project Paperclip. Von Braun is responsible for US rocketry technology and the space program.

I believe the bible is true. I do not understand it nearly enough, but I do know that this world will come to climatic events and they will center on Jerusalem. I also know that now in world history is a time of deception everywhere in all of our institutions and in the words spoken by all of our leaders. Only the Holy Spirit can keep us steady and focused on our Lord and Savior and remaining faithful to Him.
Just curious what your favorite websites to get your information from are?
 
I listen to Internet Radio, mainly Radio Liberty with Dr. Stan Monteith. Have been doing so for about 12 years. He has many guests on from all political and religions viewpoints. I go to WorldAffairsBrief.com and get links to news stories. I also have read many books on geopolitical matters.
 
I came to the memorial not only to hear historical descriptions or about the established fact of the Holocaust. I came as a Jew, hoping to hear an apology and a request for forgiveness from those who caused our tragedy, and among them, the Germans and the church. But to my sadness, I did not hear any such thing
 
I agree. By the way, also thousands of Catholic priests, nuns were killed by the Nazis and why don’t we have a “Yad Vashem” for them? Also many gypsies were targeted. In fact, everyone was targeted who did not bend his/her knee to Hitler’s ideology. See the movie “The Mortal Storm” and that will show you how Nazism pitted ordinary families against each other. This was a greatly destructive to the Jews----Yes. But not ONLY!

By the way, I recommend people seeing the documentary of Pope Pius XII in “Hand of Peace”. Instead of honoring a man who saved hundreds of thousands of JEWS, he is mocked at the Jewish Museum. Outrageous!
 
not long ago i mentioned Pope Benedict and someone said “you mean that Nazi”

I get so tired sometimes.
 
I agree. By the way, also thousands of Catholic priests, nuns were killed by the Nazis and why don’t we have a “Yad Vashem” for them? Also many gypsies were targeted. In fact, everyone was targeted who did not bend his/her knee to Hitler’s ideology. See the movie “The Mortal Storm” and that will show you how Nazism pitted ordinary families against each other. This was a greatly destructive to the Jews----Yes. But not ONLY!

By the way, I recommend people seeing the documentary of Pope Pius XII in “Hand of Peace”. Instead of honoring a man who saved hundreds of thousands of JEWS, he is mocked at the Jewish Museum. Outrageous!
People sometimes forget that there were more than 2 million Catholics were killed in the holocaust.
 
People sometimes forget that there were more than 2 million Catholics were killed in the holocaust.
Not to mention the many thousands of EASTERN ORTHODOX and Ukrainian Catholics… Where are the Yad Veshems for these groups? 🤷
 
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