Pope urges Catholics and Lutherans to recognize past errors

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An address from our Holy Father via Radio Vaticana – from the first of two ecumenical gatherings in Lund to open the year long observance of Catholics and Lutherans throughout the world together commemorating the 500th anniversary of the Reformation

Now commemorations can begin to be held in Catholic dioceses around the world

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*Here in Lund, at this prayer service, we wish to manifest our shared desire to remain one with Christ, so that we may have life. We ask him, “Lord, help us by your grace to be more closely united to you and thus, together, to bear a more effective witness of faith, hope and love”. This is also a moment to thank God for the efforts of our many brothers and sisters from different ecclesial communities who refused to be resigned to division, but instead kept alive the hope of reconciliation among all who believe in the one Lord

As Catholics and Lutherans, we have undertaken a common journey of reconciliation. Now, in the context of the commemoration of the Reformation of 1517, we have a new opportunity to accept a common path, one that has taken shape over the past fifty years in the ecumenical dialogue between the Lutheran World Federation and the Catholic Church. Nor can we be resigned to the division and distance that our separation has created between us. We have the opportunity to mend a critical moment of our history by moving beyond the controversies and disagreements that have often prevented us from understanding one another

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We too must look with love and honesty at our past, recognizing error and seeking forgiveness, for God alone is our judge. We ought to recognize with the same honesty and love that our division distanced us from the primordial intuition of God’s people, who naturally yearn to be one, and that it was perpetuated historically by the powerful of this world rather than the faithful people, which always and everywhere needs to be guided surely and lovingly by its Good Shepherd. Certainly, there was a sincere will on the part of both sides to profess and uphold the true faith, but at the same time we realize that we closed in on ourselves out of fear or bias with regard to the faith which others profess with a different accent and language. As Pope John Paul II said, “We must not allow ourselves to be guided by the intention of setting ourselves up as judges of history but solely by the motive of understanding better what happened and of becoming messengers of truth” (Letter to Cardinal Johannes Willebrands, President of the Secretariat for Christian Unity, 31 October 1983). God is the vinedresser, who with immense love tends and protects the vine; let us be moved by his watchful gaze. The one thing he desires is for us to abide like living branches in his Son Jesus. With this new look at the past, we do not claim to realize an impracticable correction of what took place, but “to tell that history differently” (LUTHERAN-ROMAN CATHOLIC COMMISSION ON UNITY, From Conflict to Communion, 17 June 2013, 16)

Jesus reminds us: “Apart from me, you can do nothing” (v. 5). He is the one who sustains us and spurs us on to find ways to make our unity ever more visible. Certainly, our separation has been an immense source of suffering and misunderstanding, yet it has also led us to recognize honestly that without him we can do nothing; in this way it has enabled us to understand better some aspects of our faith. With gratitude we acknowledge that the Reformation helped give greater centrality to sacred Scripture in the Church’s life. Through shared hearing of the word of God in the Scriptures, important steps forward have been taken in the dialogue between the Catholic Church and the Lutheran World Federation, whose fiftieth anniversary we are presently celebrating. Let us ask the Lord that his word may keep us united, for it is a source of nourishment and life; without its inspiration we can do nothing

The spiritual experience of Martin Luther challenges us to remember that apart from God we can do nothing. “How can I get a propitious God?” This is the question that haunted Luther. In effect, the question of a just relationship with God is the decisive question for our lives. As we know, Luther encountered that propitious God in the Good News of Jesus, incarnate, dead and risen. With the concept “by grace alone”, he reminds us that God always takes the initiative, prior to any human response, even as he seeks to awaken that response. The doctrine of justification thus expresses the essence of human existence before God

Jesus intercedes for us as our mediator before the Father; he asks him that his disciples may be one, “so that the world may believe” (Jn 17:21). This is what comforts us and inspires us to be one with Jesus, and thus to pray: “Grant us the gift of unity, so that the world may believe in the power of your mercy”. This is the testimony the world expects from us. We Christians will be credible witnesses of mercy to the extent that forgiveness, renewal and reconciliation are daily experienced in our midst. Together we can proclaim and manifest God’s mercy, concretely and joyfully, by upholding and promoting the dignity of every person. Without this service to the world and in the world, Christian faith is incomplete

As Lutherans and Catholics, we pray together in this Cathedral, conscious that without God we can do nothing. We ask his help, so that we can be living members, abiding in him, ever in need of his grace, so that together we may bring his word to the world, which so greatly needs his tender love and mercy*
The Pope embraces the Lutheran Bishop who co-presided with him at the service of common prayer, Bishop Younan of the Lutheran World Federation, in Lund
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I suppose it loses something in translation, but it sounds to me like the Pope wants us to be Lutheran.
 
Quite the contrary.
He wants one to be one, holy, Apostolic church.

Not everything Luther said was a bad thing. Most people agree that he never intended to form another religion. He saw a need for reform, and it took on a life of its own.

Pope Francis is quite the scholar, guided by the Holy Spirit.
People would do well to listen and read his writings without suspicion of error.
Past Popes have enjoyed this, so I often wonder why all the scorn for this Holy man of God?

God bless Pope Francis. If anyone can bring Christians together under one Church, he can. If only people will listen.

Peace.
 
Quite the contrary.
He wants one to be one, holy, Apostolic church.

Not everything Luther said was a bad thing. Most people agree that he never intended to form another religion. He saw a need for reform, and it took on a life of its own.

Pope Francis is quite the scholar, guided by the Holy Spirit.
People would do well to listen and read his writings without suspicion of error.
Past Popes have enjoyed this, so I often wonder why all the scorn for this Holy man of God?

God bless Pope Francis. If anyone can bring Christians together under one Church, he can. If only people will listen.

Peace.
:amen:
 
I wonder what other protestant denominations think of the Reformation commemoration like the evangelicals, the Baptists, Methodists and Presbyterians, etc.
 
Christianity is so utterly fractured in this age, that it is impossible to say what any of the innumerable denominations (or “non-denominations”) think about it. But, in comments about Catholicism from bible Christians on YouTube, the hatred and vitriol do not speak well of, actually, anything.

Pope Francis, as it is with each believer, will not be judged on his success or failure. Jesus Himself seemed to fail in John 6, when nearly all left Him. Rather, Pope Francis and each of us will be judged for our faithfulness in promoting the Gospel. Human free will does what it wills.
 
I feel extreme empathy for Luther. He seems like a doubter like me, without the bit of extra grace God has used to protect me from error. We should all pray for his soul.
 
But I understand that the Lutherans do not have a valid Eucharist?
There are differences. We don’t have intercommunion, but I hope it’s something that we can work toward. I’m not saying how or when. I’m just praying “Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven,” and this fills me with hope.
 
We don’t have intercommunion, but I hope it’s something that we can work toward.
How would this happen? Would Catholics change their minds on the validity of the Lutheran Eucharist and Lutheran priesthood? Would Catholics accept women priests, divorce and contraception as Lutherans do? The Evangelical Lutheran Church of America allows same-sex marriage. Honestly, the SSPX seems very close to the Catholic Church and yet there is no full reconciliation with the SSPX. If the Catholic Church cannot reconcile with the SSPX, I don’t see how it could possibly do so with the Lutheran community where differences are so much greater.
 
How would this happen? Would Catholics change their minds on the validity of the Lutheran Eucharist and Lutheran priesthood? Would Catholics accept women priests, divorce and contraception as Lutherans do? The Evangelical Lutheran Church of America allows same-sex marriage. Honestly, the SSPX seems very close to the Catholic Church and yet there is no full reconciliation with the SSPX. If the Catholic Church cannot reconcile with the SSPX, I don’t see how it could possibly do so with the Lutheran community where differences are so much greater.
The Catholic Church doesn’t need to reconcile with the SSPX, the SSPX needs to reconcile and come back into communion with the Church. Lord knows they’ve been given the opportunities, but time and again they refuse.
 
I don’t see how it could happen, but that doesn’t mean it is impossible.
 
Don’t get me wrong, unity would be wonderful, but ecumenism seems like a waste of time to me. We hear nice words like “dialogue”, but nothing substantive ever seems to come from it.
 
Don’t get me wrong, unity would be wonderful, but ecumenism seems like a waste of time to me. We hear nice words like “dialogue”, but nothing substantive ever seems to come from it.
“A waste of time”…“nothing substantive ever seems to come from it.”

This is written by someone whose profile says they went through RCIA in 2015?

:nope:

As a Catholic priest, I think back to 50 years ago when, in the wake of the Council, I could not imagine, within my lifetime, that the progress would be so great that the Pope and a Lutheran Bishop would do what I saw today: stand side by side in a former Catholic – and now Lutheran – cathedral, in order to co-preside at a joint liturgy of common prayer to commemorate the Reformation…and invite Catholic clergy and Lutheran clergy to repeat this rite in parishes all around the world over the course of the next year, with their own Catholic and Lutheran flocks coming together to make these commemorations occur at the parish level.

I am nothing short of being in amazement at where we are in this journey From Conflict To Communion after a mere 50 years of dialogue, which seeks to heal wounds more than 500 years old.
 
“A waste of time”…“nothing substantive ever seems to come from it.”

This is written by someone whose profile says they went through RCIA in 2015?

:nope:

As a Catholic priest, I think back to 50 years ago when, in the wake of the Council, I could not imagine, within my lifetime, that the progress would be so great that the Pope and a Lutheran Bishop would do what I saw today: stand side by side in a former Catholic – and now Lutheran – cathedral, in order to co-preside at a joint liturgy of common prayer to commemorate the Reformation…and invite Catholic clergy and Lutheran clergy to repeat this rite in parishes all around the world over the course of the next year, with their own Catholic and Lutheran flocks coming together to make these commemorations occur at the parish level.

I am nothing short of being in amazement at where we are in this journey From Conflict To Communion after a mere 50 years of dialogue, which seeks to heal wounds more than 500 years old.
I think he means that Catholics and Lutherans can work together at various joint projects, but there is no way they can unite, seeing that Lutherans allow SS marriage, and in the nordic countries, there are women Lutheran bishops.
 
I think he means that Catholics and Lutherans can work together at various joint projects, but there is no way they can unite, seeing that Lutherans allow SS marriage, and in the nordic countries, there are women Lutheran bishops.
Such is not how the theological community proceeds…thankfully.

As Pope Francis and Bishop Younan declared: “As we recommit ourselves to move from conflict to communion, we do so as part of the one Body of Christ, into which we are incorporated through Baptism.” Thus “By drawing close in faith to Christ, by praying together, by listening to one another, by living Christ’s love in our relationships, we, Catholics and Lutherans, open ourselves to the power of the Triune God.” From there, it is up to God…and not to human beings.

As the Pope said to all gathered in the cathedral: “Jesus reminds us: ‘Apart from me, you can do nothing’ (v. 5). He is the one who sustains us and spurs us on to find ways to make our unity ever more visible. Certainly, our separation has been an immense source of suffering and misunderstanding, yet it has also led us to recognize honestly that without him we can do nothing.”
 
Such is not how the theological community proceeds…thankfully.

As Pope Francis and Bishop Younan declared: “As we recommit ourselves to move from conflict to communion, we do so as part of the one Body of Christ, into which we are incorporated through Baptism.” Thus “By drawing close in faith to Christ, by praying together, by listening to one another, by living Christ’s love in our relationships, we, Catholics and Lutherans, open ourselves to the power of the Triune God.” From there, it is up to God…and not to human beings.
Why will this work with the Lutherans, but it hasn’t worked so far with the SSPX?
 
“A waste of time”…“nothing substantive ever seems to come from it.”

This is written by someone whose profile says they went through RCIA in 2015?

:nope:

As a Catholic priest, I think back to 50 years ago when, in the wake of the Council, I could not imagine, within my lifetime, that the progress would be so great that the Pope and a Lutheran Bishop would do what I saw today: stand side by side in a former Catholic – and now Lutheran – cathedral, in order to co-preside at a joint liturgy of common prayer to commemorate the Reformation…and invite Catholic clergy and Lutheran clergy to repeat this rite in parishes all around the world over the course of the next year, with their own Catholic and Lutheran flocks coming together to make these commemorations occur at the parish level.

I am nothing short of being in amazement at where we are in this journey From Conflict To Communion after a mere 50 years of dialogue, which seeks to heal wounds more than 500 years old.
Do you think seeing how Christians have been persecuted in the Middle East and how Islam is spreading and trying to enforce its influence wherever it moves might be helping Christians feel we need to be more united and be one body? Especially seeing
how the number of Christians are dwindling in certain areas of the world like Europe and America.
 
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