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Suudy said:
There is highlighting. And there is shrouding. He has highlighted these other issues, such as climate change and immigration, with clear, explicit language. And he’s shrouded issues such as abortion and SSM with vague commentary. It is possible to highlight issues without shrouding other issues.
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Maybe he addressed the issues of SSM and abortion with kindness with the view of getting more people to listen, since many (not all, by any means) on the pro-life side aren’t exactly the most tactful people I’ve ever encountered, to put it mildly. Perhaps he was showing an alternative to the rabid anger expressed by a lot of people on the side of life. Again, you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
 
Tim_D said:
And here is the entire problem wrapped up in a nutshell.

If you can only see in terms of liberal vs. conservative or democrat vs. republican, then you will forever be disappointed in Pope Francis. He transcends politics in the same way that Jesus Himself did.

There is more to being Catholic than opposing abortion and gay marriage.
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Brilliant! Yours is the best summed up post I have read on this thread. Thank you for it. Our US squabbles - liberal vs conservative, Democrat vs Republican - are not really a world lens. They are uniquely ours (I mean, who else would claim Donald Trump). It’s a shame that people could not put aside ‘Is he on our side or their side?’ in order to really hear what the Pope had to say. The man is NOT a Democrat nor a Republican. He is speaking from a totally different perspective.

I’m very sorry to read these posts. Perhaps the non-Catholics who love him are a better perspective this week.
 
Muzhik said:
In short,
Please, God, forgive us our sins and lead us back to You.
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I know you suspect the time is short.
Pope Francis said what any good parent would say to any child who is way out on a limb.
What do you say to someone standing on the the edge of Niagara Falls looking down?
 
Mongo said:
It doesn’t matter. There is a natural hierarchy in catholic moral theology. You can’t simply elevate certain things because you have a preference. There is a context for everything.
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Last time I checked, the born are as important as the pre-born to God. A 1 year old baby is defenseless, too. If that child is starving to death, isn’t it just as important to save that child’s life as well?
 
ComplineSanFran said:
Brilliant! Yours is the best summed up post I have read on this thread. Thank you for it. Our US squabbles - liberal vs conservative, Democrat vs Republican - are not really a world lens. They are uniquely ours (I mean, who else would claim Donald Trump). It’s a shame that people could not put aside ‘Is he on our side or their side?’ in order to really hear what the Pope had to say. The man is NOT a Democrat nor a Republican. He is speaking from a totally different perspective.

I’m very sorry to read these posts. Perhaps the non-Catholics who love him are a better perspective this week.
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Could not have said it better. Thank you.
 
PTL said:
Your links are all on other occasions. What I meant is in the important speech to Congress, among all important issues to him, he was clear on most but only ambiguous on family and marriage. I will be less confusing if he was clear on everything.
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I covered this in an above post as to why he may have done this. That said, why is no one looking at what he said in the past?
 
I’m a news junkie. I noticed that it was suddenly ok to diss the pope on Monday morning. I thoughrt it was a fear of what he would say since he already made his opinion known on climate change. I was very disappointed to see some of the comments on this site. Can’t we at least agree to disagree on certain subjects and and agree to work together to find some common ground instead of this continual Red/Blue argument that is a constant here?
 
Good_Tidings said:
I’m a news junkie. I noticed that it was suddenly ok to diss the pope on Monday morning. I thoughrt it was a fear of what he would say since he already made his opinion known on climate change. I was very disappointed to see some of the comments on this site. Can’t we at least agree to disagree on certain subjects and and agree to work together to find some common ground instead of this continual Red/Blue argument that is a constant here?
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Agree. Totally.
 
Everyone knows the Catholic Church’s position on abortion and homosexuality. But these things cannot be the only thing people hear from the Church. After all Christ never mentioned either of those issues. (And I am not saying this as someone who says those things are okay. (I pray occasionally at abortion clinics).

A lot of people legitimately disagree on where life begins and they legitimately disagree about marriage. But there are other areas where maybe they can agree with us. And maybe when those other areas of the Church are highlighted, perhaps it will allow the Church to see Christ in His entirety. People if they don’t know Jesus aren’t going to care one bit what He has to say about abortion or gay marriage.

He’s trying to let people get a full picture of our Church. You realize so many people don’t know how much the Church does for the poor? etc.
 
Perhaps he is saving his strongest words on marriage and life for Sunday’s Philly Mass. Reel 'em in and then BOOM? One can hope. He did say that family and life was the reason for his visit, after all.
 
Seamus_L said:
I’m not going to post a link, but retired judge, Fox News analyst, and Traditional Catholic Andrew Napolitano, absolutely blasted Pope Francis in a column today./QUOTE

Shame on him. Of course, he is a Fox contributor.
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Colorad007 said:
Perhaps he is saving his strongest words on marriage and life for Sunday’s Philly Mass. Reel 'em in and then BOOM? One can hope. He did say that family and life was the reason for his visit, after all.
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Yes, but he didn’t define family. I think the pope has a broader view than most Americans.
 
EWTN radio following Pope Francis with Raymond Arroyo said that it can be “merciful” to execute a criminal and was arguing why capital punishment is a legitimate practice in our country, despite what the Holy Father said to congress.

Am I the only catholic who thinks Raymond’s argument is extremely stupid? The pro-abortionists use the same stupid logic to defend abortion as well. EWTN is doing our church a disservice by overtly politicizing our faith to the benefit of the GOP.
 
I think the speech was good. Yes, I do wish he can across more forceful on some issues- issues that, by the way, I feel are some of the most important issues we face morally. Those of course are abortion and same sex marriage. But overall, I find myself ok with this speech. To me, it seemed like a gentle chiding that this country needs to get into gear and work towards fixing our problems, problems that do include the protection of life and sanctity of marriage. There are still speeches to the United Nations and at the meeting of families. What strikes me more is his actions rather than his words, though. After meeting with Obama he made an unscheduled stop to meet the Little Sisters, who are fighting Obamacare. This, to me, is a symbolic repudiation of some of Obamas policies. More striking, however, was that I read that he turned down dinner with Congress to dine with the homeless. His is a repudiation of our government, in my eyes, and speaks louder to me than anything he said today. I noticed many in Congres crying today and can only pray that between his actions and words, he may have tugged on even a few hearts. If so, then he has done well. Just my thoughts…
 
jfmarm81 said:
I think the speech was good. Yes, I do wish he can across more forceful on some issues- issues that, by the way, I feel are some of the most important issues we face morally. Those of course are abortion and same sex marriage. But overall, I find myself ok with this speech. To me, it seemed like a gentle chiding that this country needs to get into gear and work towards fixing our problems, problems that do include the protection of life and sanctity of marriage. There are still speeches to the United Nations and at the meeting of families. What strikes me more is his actions rather than his words, though. After meeting with Obama he made an unscheduled stop to meet the Little Sisters, who are fighting Obamacare. This, to me, is a symbolic repudiation of some of Obamas policies. More striking, however, was that I read that he turned down dinner with Congress to dine with the homeless. His is a repudiation of our government, in my eyes, and speaks louder to me than anything he said today. I noticed many in Congres crying today and can only pray that between his actions and words, he may have tugged on even a few hearts. If so, then he has done well. Just my thoughts…
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Excellent analysis! Thank you.
 
Romans615 said:
Last time I checked, the born are as important as the pre-born to God. A 1 year old baby is defenseless, too. If that child is starving to death, isn’t it just as important to save that child’s life as well?
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If a child is starving in front of you, I would image that God is asking you to feed her. Now.
 
seaton2005 said:
Seamus L;13307698:
I’m not going to post a link, but retired judge, Fox News analyst, and Traditional Catholic Andrew Napolitano, absolutely blasted Pope Francis in a column today.
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You criticize Fox? When the Holy Father was in the Phillipines, at least some of the times, Fox was covering it. Did you hear that on the other stations? Fox is a pretty solid protector of the right to life too and most moral issues, at least compared to the other news channels. Or is this just browsed over by some? That is where the shame belongs! :mad:
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