Pope's speech to US Congress [full text] [CC]

[sallybutler]

Seamus L;13307698:

I’m not going to post a link, but retired judge, Fox News analyst, and Traditional Catholic Andrew Napolitano, absolutely blasted Pope Francis in a column today.

Every time I switched to Fox today, they were criticizing the Pope. I realise he didn’t pound Democrats over the head with a sledge hammer about abortion and ssm, but it seemed like Fox thought he was committing a mortal sin by making any criticism of their own positions.

We all need to remember that the Pope is not a Republican or a Democrat. Heck, he isn’t even an American (okay a North American USA citizen). He probably tends to look at issues from a more global position, not a local position.

I think he was asking us all to expand our view of who our brothers and sisters, our neighbors are. That is a challenge for me, as it is not as safe.

 

[Melchior_1]

Heck, he isn’t even an American (okay a North American USA citizen). He probably tends to look at issues from a more global position, not a local position.

Thank you, people never think about this. He’s still from South America, and South American issues and sensibilities are still with him. Just like JP2 didn’t cease to be Polish when becoming Pope, which got him shot (because he was trying to help his homeland).

 

[Path_Finder]

I’m not going to post a link, but retired judge, Fox News analyst, and Traditional Catholic Andrew Napolitano, absolutely blasted Pope Francis in a column today.

The headline is worse than the article itself.

Well, if the worse can be said for Republicans is articles like that versus the abominable support of Planned Parenthood and the many lives snuffed out supported by the Democratic party, I guess for those making this all political, the Republicans do pretty well.

 

[Suudy]

Yes, because abortion and SSM are the only important things Christianity should comment on, right? The born are just as important to God as the pre-born, you know. And yes, I’m pro-life.

Who used the word “only”? I didn’t.

I didn’t say that the Pope was finger pointing, nor did I accuse anyone of suggesting that he should do so.

I didn’t say you did. You characterized criticism of his speech with this:

I wish more American Christians understood this, since we are called to peace. Pope Francis did not come off as a finger pointing “Off to Hell with you!” prophet.
But who here has suggested he do such a thing?

 

[Thomas_White]

EWTN radio following Pope Francis with Raymond Arroyo said that it can be “merciful” to execute a criminal and was arguing why capital punishment is a legitimate practice in our country, despite what the Holy Father said to congress.

Am I the only catholic who thinks Raymond’s argument is extremely stupid? The pro-abortionists use the same stupid logic to defend abortion as well. EWTN is doing our church a disservice by overtly politicizing our faith to the benefit of the GOP.

No, you are not the only catholic who thinks Raymond’s argument is extremely stupid. There is at least one other Catholic who thinks so.

 

[Seamus_L]

I like Raymond Arroyo alot. He has a reputation for calmly and politely pulling no punches.

 

[Suudy]

Last time I checked, the born are as important as the pre-born to God. A 1 year old baby is defenseless, too. If that child is starving to death, isn’t it just as important to save that child’s life as well?

False dichotomy. Name a single pro-life advocate that thinks it is an either/or situation?

Which is worse? Failing to feed a hungry kid or cutting a kid into pieces and selling the body parts? Which should we work more vigorously to stop?

 

[sallybutler]

False dichotomy. Name a single pro-life advocate that thinks it is an either/or situation?

Which is worse? Failing to feed a hungry kid or cutting a kind into pieces and selling the body parts? Which should we work more vigorously to stop?

Both deserve vigorous efforts. They are equally bad.

However, if you pick one to work for, you should see those that pick the other as just as dedicated to God’s work as you are.

 

[Path_Finder]

Both deserve vigorous efforts. They are equally bad.

However, if you pick one to work for, you should see those that pick the other as just as dedicated to God’s work as you are.

So, one sees a moral equivalency between:

a.) A child who is hungry where the remedy is to feed it.

b.) A child who is cut up and discarded.

I see a big difference.

 

[Romans615]

If a child is starving in front of you, I would image that God is asking you to feed her. Now.

Agreed. God also wants me to do what I can to help starving kids around the world.
He created them, too.

Furthermore, many, many defenseless innocent children are killed around the world. ISIS is selling and raping children. Children in some countries are sold into slavery. Children are trafficked for sexual perversities. Do they matter less than the unborn? Of course not.

I’m pro-life. We’re either pro-life when it comes to the born as well as the unborn, or we have no business calling ourselves pro-life. Sadly, far too few people seem to care about the born as much as they do the unborn, and the liberals are 110% correct when they call out this hypocrisy. Yes, they have their own hypocrisies as well, but that doesn’t let us off the hook. All persons have equal value in the sight of God.

 

[Colorad007]

Both deserve vigorous efforts. They are equally bad.

However, if you pick one to work for, you should see those that pick the other as just as dedicated to God’s work as you are.

You are morally confused. The idea that butchering unborn children and marketing their corpses is equally evil as failing to feed them is utter moral confusion. And it is not what the Church teaches.

 

[sallybutler]

So, one sees a moral equivalency between:

a.) A child who is hungry where the remedy is to feed it.

b.) A child who is cut up and discarded.

I see a big difference.

So are you saying that those of us who help those who are hungry or homeless are not good followers of Christ?

 

[Romans615]

So, one sees a moral equivalency between:

a.) A child who is hungry where the remedy is to feed it.

b.) A child who is cut up and discarded.

I see a big difference.

Moral eqiuvalency? Here you go:

Umm, a kid dying is a kid dying.

Also, lots of countries don’t have the remedies to feed the starving.

And what of children blown to bits in wars? And what of children sold into slavery, sexual or otherwise? Do they matter less than a child in the womb?

 

[Colorad007]

Yes, but he didn’t define family. I think the pope has a broader view than most Americans.

He doesn’t have to define it. The Church for which he speaks already defines the family very clearly, and it is that definition the Pope is using.

 

[Romans615]

You are morally confused. The idea that butchering unborn children and marketing their corpses is equally evil as failing to feed them is utter moral confusion. And it is not what the Church teaches.

Murder is murder, regardless of whether one has been born yet or not.

 

[Path_Finder]

Moral eqiuvalency? Here you go:

Umm, a kid dying is a kid dying.

Also, lots of countries don’t have the remedies to feed the starving.

And what of children blown to bits in wars? And what of children sold into slavery, sexual or otherwise? Do they matter less than a child in the womb?

Relationship Between Poverty and Overweight or Obesity
frac.org/initiatives/hunger-and-obesity/are-low-income-people-at-greater-risk-for-overweight-or-obesity/

Oh, remind me of the American children that are starving again please!

No, moral equivalency is not killing a child. And kids don’t starve in America.

 

[Romans615]

He doesn’t have to define it. The Church for which he speaks already defines the family very clearly, and it is that definition the Pope is using.

Yes, the Catholic Church is quite clear on this.

 

[Colorad007]

Moral eqiuvalency? Here you go:

Umm, a kid dying is a kid dying.

Also, lots of countries don’t have the remedies to feed the starving.

And what of children blown to bits in wars? And what of children sold into slavery, sexual or otherwise? Do they matter less than a child in the womb?

You really don’t understand how murdering a defenseless child in utero is different than malnourishment or even slavery?

 

[Melchior_1]

I wrote a bunch of stuff about this topic over here. Some of it I already posted over here, some of it I did not.

 

[Colorad007]

Murder is murder, regardless of whether one has been born yet or not.

Utterly false. The level of vulnerability of unborn children magnifies the evil.