Pornography, why do men do this?

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And I would tell him to run away from any relationship where the woman is already issuing ultimatums even before they are married. That kind of behavior doesn’t stop with just one ultimatum.
I’m going to have to agree with Paul here, Basilisk. “If you loved me, you’ll stop” is harsh, and could potentially be held over his head for the rest of his life.

We’re all sinners, we all sin. Our significant others, be they boy/girlfriends or a spouse, do not enter the Confessional with us. They do not have a ‘right’ to know what we’ve done. And so with that in mind, a more often than not pure Christian telling his girlfriend that he struggles with pornography is a brave thing. He wasn’t proud of it, or trying to get her to bend her views, he was confessing because he loves her, no doubt, and wants to be honest and perhaps get another person praying for him.
 
I was greatly hurt when my boyfriend, (who is a strong Christian) told me he still struggles with pornography. I knew that he used to, but I thought he overcame it. He informed me that this is still a major temptation for him and that he fell into looking at porn again on the internet, he doesn’t want to keep doing this and put a filter on his computer to block those sites and he has an accountability partner as well and prays and is trying to overcome this, but as his girlfriend, I must say this greatly hurt me. I don’t understand why men do this. (I know it is due to sin and our fallen nature), but it still hurts. It hurts me that he looks at other women in this way and I feel like I’m not good enough. I know that isn’t it, but I can’t stop thinking this way. He said he really struggles with this sin in particular. I hate it! Why do men do this, is there something wrong with me? Why do they feel a need to have so many women? Do they realize how much this hurts us? We’re not yet married and we both practice chastity and absistence. It just greatly bothers me, I’m praying for him that he will overcome this, just wanted to know any others who may struggle with this and how the women cope with this and their feeling when their husbands/boyfriends struggle with this sin and how they deal with it.
I happened to be listening to a Christian station today, when this very topic came up. The host talked about how addictive porn is, but at the same time, that addiction had to have a beginning. Like what causes a man to start viewing porn on a regular enough basis to begin with? You say your bf is a strong Christian, and that is not unusual. But, there is this part of him, that deep down, views women as sexual objects. I think that if it is a persistent addiction, not a once in a blue moon thing (which is also bad, but I wouldn’t classify that as an addiction) then he should seek counseling. Marriage won’t cure this. You being beautiful won’t cure this. Addictions are deep down, embedded issues within a person than need to be talked about, and reflected upon, to know how to deal with it. I know that you just want him to stop, and hopefully he will. I pray that he will. But, just know–it is not you. If he has an addiction, he needs help. Just like drugs. Just like someone who is deeply hooked on alcohol.

I will keep you and him in my prayers.
 
Here’s some perspective from a woman who struggles with pornography.

I got addicted to masturbation at an early age, even before I actually knew what it was. I didn’t find out it was wrong until well after I was thoroughly addicted to the need for that release. By the time I found out it was wrong, I was in that phase of my life where I was rebelling against authority - that is, the Church’s authority, as I was taking my arguments from the authority of popular perception. I falsely believed that it was a normal process, that it was healthy, and actually beneficial to do it. I don’t remember when I took the plunge into pornography. Reading dirty stories came first. Maybe I was curious to see some of that stuff in action. It went downhill from there.

Now, a few years into my spiritual rebirth, I still struggle with it. I know full well what an atrocity it is to G-d, to myself, and to my future spouse. Part of the problem is that I’ve seen so much, that the slightest trigger - even the sound of heavy breathing or a moan that might in any way be attributed to sexual sounds - bring back those images and stir up that need. While it is true that I notice the desire is monumentally harder to fight at certain times in my cycle, that’s not to say it ever goes away. It’s just that less of a trigger is necessary at those times.

It’s not something you can just turn off. That sin leaves a stain, and in many cases that stain is memory. Praise G-d that He’s given us ways to clean off those stains. It’s no coincidence that reading the Bible for the sake of an indulgence shaves off some time in purgatory - the more you fill your mind with good, the more bad is filtered out. The more I focus on Scriptures, the more my memory of porn is burned out of my mind. It works.

Some other things that have helped me:

I keep a Miraculous Medal taped to my computer, always in sight. She’s my constant reminder that even if no one else is in the room, I’m not alone. Wearing a Miraculous Medal might also be a source of strength, though I find being able to see it there beside my hand is a much more efficient reminder.

Something I’ve heard of other men doing, and I tried it for a while - wear a rubberband around your wrist, and whenever an impure thought comes to mind - or perhaps pops up on the screen - give your wrist a good slap with the rubberband. Make it painful. It may be primitive, but it is a way to train your brain, to steer you away from impure things. (Hopefully no one would have said this, but before it is, I sincerely doubt doing this would cause a man to shy away from any intimacy at all after marriage.)

Lastly, I keep a little calendar with me at all times, and I mark off the days, each day I make it through purely. Should I fall, I circle that day. It’s a good tool in seeing how much stamina you’re building up, how long you can survive without it. It might help your boyfriend see any trends in the times he falls, if he did something (or didn’t do something) those days that caused it to happen.

There is light at the end of the tunnel. The more Grace he fills himself with, the less the temptation will affect him. It used to be that I would indulge in all sorts of fantasies as I dream, that when I woke up I had to make sure it was in fact a dream and I hadn’t fallen. But now, even in my dreams I fight it, and I win.
 
Would he kill himself to get you back and prove to you that you come first, before his liking for porn? Because if he wouldn’t, then you are NOT the top of his list and should not marry him. Any woman should be absolutely certain she is the most important thing in the world to the man she is marrying (unless he has children already, then they should be first).
Basilisk, respectfully, I took the “would he kill himself?” part almost literally the first time I read it. I know it’s hyperbole, but I believe it goes too far. I would partly agree with Paulin that an ultimatum is not a great thing. It may be justified, but it may still bring resentment. Men don’t take well to ultimatums. If a woman told me, “Either you stop talking to Insert_Female_Friend_Name or I leave,” I’d reply, “Au revoir, mademoiselle.” Now, porn is all the much more and if I did something very wrong and of a similar kind, I’d feel a lot of guilt for it and my attitude would change accordingly. But I’m not sure how I’d take it and if it wouldn’t kill the relationship. While porn is wrong and the need to stop looking at it is obvious, an ultimatum is an act of force, an exercise of authority. It may lead to submission out of fear rather than a normal choice with normal results. I am not saying it would be a wrong thing to do in the OP’s situation. Perhaps it might be a good thing, but only if it’s a simple matter of choice, “choose them or me, you don’t have much time,” not if it entails a desire to control the man’s behaviour, make him give up his bad habits for the woman, prove he puts the woman first and so on and so forth.

A statement like, “prove me you love me,” would make me want to reply, “very well, I give you back your freedom.” Now we both know I’m mean and I’m a jerk, but I probably have some merit here. There are things we don’t take well in relationships and we aren’t obliged to marry someone who does those things. Some of those things are plain wrong and some also constitute an act of betrayal of some sort, although the actor may not realise this (I suppose many modern porn-lookers don’t think they’re betraying any commitments, as wrong as they are). We are entitled to make our decision to leave. We are entitled to ask for change, sure. But we aren’t entitled to control our chosen one’s behaviour. And as I write this, I realise I’ve been guilty of it in the past. Bringing it up is fine, asking it to stop is fine, an ultimatum might be, but it simply shouldn’t cross the line of blackmail and control.

Next, even though, “you need to make your choice,” is fine, perhaps it would be better to explain why it is wrong and why it hurts you and how it makes you feel, then honestly admit you can’t accept it any more and ask the other one for decision. If we want that person to stay with us rather than choose the evil over us, we should be ready to offer some help rather than considering it the other person’s own responsibility and a test.

And here, I would elaborate a bit on what you wrote later in your post, i.e. that the woman should be the most important thing in the man’s life. I don’t agree fully (a man leaves his mother and father by marriage, not by betrothal), but at any rate, it works both ways. If the man is to put the woman ahead of himself, so is generally she to put him ahead of herself. That doesn’t mean accepting his looking at porn, but it does mean that while putting her foot is okay, even leaving is okay (whereby the relationship ends), threatening him with leaving (which I don’t say your position amounts to) is not and neither is deciding that he’s filthy, subhuman, unworthy of you until he gets rid of the problem on his own, that kind of thing - and still continuing the relationship. 😉 Either we want to be in a relationship or not and effecting a change by fear, or making a compromise and settling with a partner we think worse than we could get, is not a recipe for a happy marriage.

Again, this shouldn’t be read as any form of excuse for wrongdoing or obligation to get along with wrong acts.
 
Kaily, I think everyone here has done a great job of explaining why men fall into pornography, but what I really got out of your post was how hurt you are. I know from experience that even truly understanding with our intellect that men don’t do this because of anything we have or haven’t done doesn’t always take that cutting pain away…

My ex-boyfriend (he’s discerning the religious life right now) was sexually active before he met me, and when I started dating him, I had no idea he had been heavily involved in porn as well. When he did tell me, I was extremely disturbed and disappointed, but I comforted myself that he wasn’t doing it while dating me. I asked him if he could promise me he would never do it, and he said yes. I was happy because I believed that I was beautiful and loved enough by him that he would have no problem staying away from that stuff. Well, a couple of months later, he called nearly in tears and told me he broke his promise. I was crushed, but I forgave him and didn’t tell him much of my feelings about it because I felt bad for him. He was so sorry and felt like a failure.

Well, part of my advice to you is this: Tell him in great detail just exactly how him looking at porn makes you feel. See, this kept on bothering me and building up, and I’d bring it up now and then, and eventually he got irritated that I couldn’t let it go. That hurt SO badly, that I spilled everything out to him. All of the pain and the way it makes me feel like I’m disgusting and worthless just came rushing out in a torrent of tears. I explained it so thoroughly that he was stunned, and he told me he really didn’t know it made me feel THAT horrible. It really left a huge impression on him, and he told me there was no way he could do it knowing it made me feel like that. Since then, he didn’t do it again (he would have told me if he did; he is the most honest person I know), and he really got into Theology of the Body. He was so happy with everything he learned, and he still thanks me today for his altered views on women and sexuality.
 
I want to follow up on that, though… Just because he stopped making that decision to look at porn does not mean that he doesn’t still struggle with lustful feelings now and then. See, I naively thought that he had perfect control over what or who he looked at and he could just decide not to be turned on by a passing girl’s revealing top…

However, he explained to me a few months after he stopped looking at porn for good that sometimes he’ll still catch himself fixated on a girl’s body and that he has to shake himself out of it as soon as he realizes it. While I think it is admirable that he makes the choice to shake himself out of it, for some reason, knowing that he would get fixated on some other girl’s body for any length of time still really hurt me. I get this almost physical feeling sweeping over my body of disgusting-ness and worthlessness, and it is so hard to make it go away. I don’t know if it affects you that drastically, but it made me feel really bad about myself, even also because I felt something was wrong with me for being that badly affected by it. I’m surrounded by girls who tell me that it doesn’t really bother them that much if their guys look at porn, and so I wonder sometimes if there is just something fundamentally wrong with me.

I’ve only found one thing that helps me with that. Nobody’s explanations help, only this: I picture myself holding my arms out to Jesus (or I do it physically, in bed at night) and I give myself completely, body and soul, to Him. I picture Him taking me in His arms and loving me so much that nothing else matters. Then I talk to Jesus and tell myself at the same time that God made me and He created my body exactly the way He wanted it–every minute detail. And He will never look at any other person and say, “That person looks a little better,” or “I like that person better,” because my relationship with Jesus is just Him and me–a complete, focused never-ending interaction between us. He never takes His eyes off my face.

If you do that, and do it often, it might just take most or all of that pain away. When you think of yourself as being Christ’s bride, and that your body (and soul) belongs entirely to Him, then you feel so beautiful and worth so much more than any guy could make you feel. Jesus’ love will make you feel whole and safe, and then you will be free to selflessly love the man that you know will let you down now and then because he is a sinner like all of us. Nothing anyone does has to have any effect on how you feel about or see yourself, because your worth is based entirely on God’s love. Nothing else!

But don’t rely on your mind to tell you this! Hug Jesus; cling to Him with all your might; sit in front of the tabernacle in silence and let Him fill you up with His love so you are ready to love and forgive anything. He loves nothing more than to tell you how much He loves you and how much you mean to Him… So ask Him constantly!

You are in my prayers.🙂
 
It hurts me that he looks at other women in this way and I feel like I’m not good enough.
This stuck out to me. It has NOTHING to do with you. Your quote is an indication that you need to work on your self worth.

I have dealt with this in the past with a boyfriend. My reaction was this— “Why do you view women as 2 dimensional objects? You need to examine why you allow the world and popular culture shape your views” not, “Why am I not good enough/pretty enough/etc.?”

I do think it is positive that he admits that it is an issue and has created a system for accountability.

I won’t get into why I think men do it b/c it seems so obvious in our extremely sad and immoral time in the world. It is much more poignant to answer the question, “Why not?” That is the case we should be building.
 
I was greatly hurt when my boyfriend, (who is a strong Christian) told me he still struggles with pornography. I knew that he used to, but I thought he overcame it. He informed me that this is still a major temptation for him and that he fell into looking at porn again on the internet, he doesn’t want to keep doing this and put a filter on his computer to block those sites and he has an accountability partner as well and prays and is trying to overcome this, but as his girlfriend, I must say this greatly hurt me. I don’t understand why men do this. (I know it is due to sin and our fallen nature), but it still hurts. It hurts me that he looks at other women in this way and I feel like I’m not good enough. I know that isn’t it, but I can’t stop thinking this way. He said he really struggles with this sin in particular. I hate it! Why do men do this, is there something wrong with me? Why do they feel a need to have so many women? Do they realize how much this hurts us? We’re not yet married and we both practice chastity and absistence. It just greatly bothers me, I’m praying for him that he will overcome this, just wanted to know any others who may struggle with this and how the women cope with this and their feeling when their husbands/boyfriends struggle with this sin and how they deal with it.
Kaily, I feel for you. I never had a boyfriend that suffered from this vice (at least I was never aware of it) so I can’t say I’ve been there and can offer experienced advice. That being said, he knows this is wrong, and is trying to overcome it. I’m sure you’ve heard the phrase “love hurts;” well, it’s true. It does. “No pain, no gain; no cross, no crown.” He wants to beat this but has a bit of difficulty. Pray for him AND with him, specifically to overcome this temptation. If you could offer an hour of Eucharistic Adoration together (if possible) or the Rosary, at least once a week for this intention, I have no doubt that He will give your boyfriend the will and the strength to fight and triumph. This suffering of yours could be offered for those who are in a relationship (parent, spouse, boy/girlfriend…whatever) with someone who refuses to fight these urges. You’ll be in my prayers.
 
He had to CLICK on the pop up image to get to a porn site.
Not necessarily. I was online once and that **** popped up on me, several times actually. I had to totally log off for it to stop.

And, just because someone knows better doesn’t mean they don’t truly regret doing what they did/do.
 
Men don’t do this. Little boys who have not learned how to control themselves do this.
cough, cough the Church condemns birth control more severely than She does watching porn cough, cough I just don’t get how you can be so hard on this guy, considering…well… …

*not trying to derail the thread, just making a point
 
cough, cough the Church condemns birth control more severely than She does watching porn cough, cough I just don’t get how you can be so hard on this guy, considering…well… …

*not trying to derail the thread, just making a point
You might want to peek over at the Catechism. One is called grave, another morally unacceptable:

scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2396.htm

**2396 **Among the sins gravely contrary to chastity are masturbation, fornication, pornography, and homosexual practices.

scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2399.htm

**2399 **The regulation of births represents one of the aspects of responsible fatherhood and motherhood. Legitimate intentions on the part of the spouses do not justify recourse to morally unacceptable means (for example, direct sterilization or contraception).
 
You might want to peek over at the Catechism. One is called grave, another morally unacceptable:

scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2396.htm

**2396 **Among the sins gravely contrary to chastity are masturbation, fornication, pornography, and homosexual practices.

scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2399.htm

**2399 **The regulation of births represents one of the aspects of responsible fatherhood and motherhood. Legitimate intentions on the part of the spouses do not justify recourse to morally unacceptable means (for example, direct sterilization or contraception).
Humane Vitae says

Therefore We base Our words on the first principles of a human and Christian doctrine of marriage when We are obliged once more to declare that the direct interruption of the generative process already begun and, above all, all direct abortion, even for therapeutic reasons, are to be absolutely excluded as lawful means of regulating the number of children. (14) Equally to be condemned, as the magisterium of the Church has affirmed on many occasions, is direct sterilization, whether of the man or of the woman, whether permanent or temporary. (15)

Similarly excluded is any action which either before, at the moment of, or after sexual intercourse, is specifically intended to prevent procreation—whether as an end or as a means. (16)

Neither is it valid to argue, as a justification for sexual intercourse which is deliberately contraceptive, that a lesser evil is to be preferred to a greater one, or that such intercourse would merge with procreative acts of past and future to form a single entity, and so be qualified by exactly the same moral goodness as these. Though it is true that sometimes it is lawful to tolerate a lesser moral evil in order to avoid a greater evil or in order to promote a greater good," it is never lawful, even for the gravest reasons, to do evil that good may come of it (18)—in other words, to intend directly something which of its very nature contradicts the moral order, and which must therefore be judged unworthy of man, even though the intention is to protect or promote the welfare of an individual, of a family or of society in general. Consequently, it is a serious error to think that a whole married life of otherwise normal relations can justify sexual intercourse which is deliberately contraceptive and so intrinsically wrong.
 
You might want to peek over at the Catechism. One is called grave, another morally unacceptable:

scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2396.htm

**2396 **Among the sins gravely contrary to chastity are masturbation, fornication, pornography, and homosexual practices.

scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2399.htm

**2399 **The regulation of births represents one of the aspects of responsible fatherhood and motherhood. Legitimate intentions on the part of the spouses do not justify recourse to morally unacceptable means (for example, direct sterilization or contraception).
Oh yeah and the catechism also says

2370 Periodic continence, that is, the methods of birth regulation based on self-observation and the use of infertile periods, is in conformity with the objective criteria of morality.158 These methods respect the bodies of the spouses, encourage tenderness between them, and favor the education of an authentic freedom. In contrast, “every action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible” is intrinsically evil:159

Intrinsically evil seems to be worst than grave.
 
Oh yeah and the catechism also says

2370 Periodic continence, that is, the methods of birth regulation based on self-observation and the use of infertile periods, is in conformity with the objective criteria of morality.158 These methods respect the bodies of the spouses, encourage tenderness between them, and favor the education of an authentic freedom. In contrast, “every action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible” is intrinsically evil:159

Intrinsically evil seems to be worst than grave.
Not to get further afield…

Mortal sin is the worst sin of all.

Mortal sin requires three things, one of which is grave matter. Grave is grave.
 
Intrinsically evil means mortal sin.
Exactly. That is my point, the Church does not teach that pornography and masturbation are “not as bad” as contraception (what a poster here claimed).

Grave is grave.

Back to the regularly scheduled thread.
 
Exactly. That is my point, the Church does not teach that pornography and masturbation are “not as bad” as contraception (what a poster here claimed).

Grave is grave.

Back to the regularly scheduled thread.
But they do not teach it as intrinsically evil either. If you feel the need to have the last word go ahead and take another shot.
 
just a little insight on why men (and some women) do this, based on brain physiology. Once you are hooked, it’s a dependency just like alcoholism, smoking, or pathological gambling. A family friend of ours is a very sober man, he didn’t even have a single drink at the wedding of his son. Why? because he used to be an alcoholic, and a single drink would suffice to re-ignite his addiction. On a brain scan, you can see how certain areas of the brain light up with activity when the addicted person receives his addiction-specific stimulus (a drink, a pornographic image, etc). And, not surprisingly, breaking a pornographic addiction will be a hard battle with occasional setbacks. While it’s easier to avoid that first drink or cigarette that reignites the addiction and lights up the corresponding areas of the brain with activity, avoiding the visual stimuli and de-conditioning the brain to react to those stimuli might be a little trickier and harder. This is because our secular culture is awash with sexually suggestive images - the commercials on TV, the advertising billboards in the city, many women dressing immodestly even while attending church (at least in the big cities) etc. The good news is that the brain can be re-trained and de-conditioned with a lot of effort, meaning that this immediate and strong physiologic reaction to the addictive stimulus, so well observable on brain CT scans, diminishes with time in the person who habitually and constantly avoids the addictive stimulus over a long period of time. Avoid, avoid, avoid, steer clear of the stimulus, turn your head away, use all the practical methods of breaking the addiction suggested in the thread. And there still could be occasional slip-ups and setbacks during the recovery period.
 
Different men have different reasons, some do it because they were hurt by women and don’t wish to go for another relationship. Let’s not make wide sweeping generalizations about everything and concentrate it all down to how hurt women are :rolleyes:
 
Oh please. Until he accepts some accountability for his own actions, he will never overcome his problem. He had to CLICK on the pop up image to get to a porn site. He CHOSE to do that, no one forced him. And if he really hadn’t done it in years (addicts are notorious liars), then he didn’t value his “sobriety” much. People who are serious about overcoming their addictions do everything they can to avoid being tempted. Why didn’t he install a simple pop-up blocker if he was serious about never looking at porn? My anti-virus software has a built-in pop-up blocker. And if he has a filter, how did this pornographic pop-up get through? And how did he get to the sites, unless he disabled the filter?

I think you’re being sold a line because he got caught.
Could you look me square in the eye and tell me that you have never had any kind of a vice where in a weak moment you have fallen to temptation even though you know that it is wrong and maybe even that it would hurt someone that you care about? From what the OP said, it sounds like he didn’t get “caught” but rather he felt he owed it to his gf to tell her and was being honest with her. If that is the case, it says a lot to me. Yes there is software but it is not fool proof.

To the OP, there is nothing wrong with you and your feelings are perfectly understandable. I can not speak for all men, but I can tell you my story. When I was young (probably around 10 or 11), I started looking at underwear adds out of curiosity. I don’t know that I knew specifically that it was wrong as I had never been talked to about sexuality, but I think there must have been some instinct there that said it was because I hid the fact. As time went on and I got older, this curiosity grew and I gained access to more explicit images, especially with the advent of the internet in late high school. I think it reached a peak in jr. college when I realized just how wrong and destructive the habit (which it had become) was. I decided that I needed to stop. At first I could only go for a few day at a time, the pull was so strong. It was odd because I never viewed what would be considered hard core stuff (I am not trying to justify this in anyway by this fact, it is still wrong), and very rarely ever aroused by it (I can honestly say that I have never in my life masturbated), but there was still this pull. It was like driving by a car wreck where you don’t want to look but you can’t help it. after struggling for about a year, I decided one lent that I was going to kick it for good. It was difficult, but I did. Almost. That was a number of years ago and I have been clear except for maybe once or twice a year when something similar to what the OP described happens and I am in a weak moment. The last time was shortly before the election. I was looking at an unofficial political website supporting one of the main candidates. They had a photo gallery where supporters could post pictures. I clicked on this link and there were some pictures on there where female supporters had written slogans on their bodies and posted the pictures. I am ashamed to say that I clicked through a couple of them before I snapped out of it and shut the browser. It was a weak moment, and I think different than if I had sought out such images, but still wrong and something that I took to confession. Also, even though I was shaking in my boots, I told my girlfriend the next day. She was surprisingly understanding though we both were a little emotional about it.

While slightly different, I can sort of understand your feelings because I had similar feelings when my girlfriend was not a virgin. It was almost enough to make me walk before I got things sorted out in my head (thank you to those from this community that helped me). I had fears of potential comparison if we were to get married. That is when it hit me that she could have the same thoughts about me comparing her just in a different way. The truth is, I have never compared her physically (just so there is no confusion, I have never seen her in anything less than modest) to anyone I have seen before either in pictures or in person. The thought has never crossed my mind. I think she is beautiful just the way God made her. When I thought about this, it made me feel like the biggest hypocrite for even considering rejecting her for her past. I can pretty much guarantee you than your boyfriend’s struggles have nothing to do with you. He probably hates the fact that he has this struggle and feels bad that it hurts you. When I screwed up several months ago like I mentioned above, not only did I feel terrible because I had done something wrong, but I felt as if I had betrayed my girlfriend and dreaded telling her even though I felt she had a right to know. She has been a pillar of strength in my life praying with me daily and so forth. As the years go by, if he keeps working on this, it will become less and less of a struggle. I rarely even feel the pull towards it anymore.
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