Are you studying for the priesthood?
Is that the correct terminology for that…? Are you sitting properly while typing that question? Where are your hands? No, no don’t gesture. Checking my GIRM.It’s called the Catholic Taliban.
Get it straight.
Geez.
Quite the opposite. I was trying to be mature and not jump to conclusions by asking around here first before doing anything drastic. But you’re in the minority concerning believing these things not being at least loose, if not actual abuses. And when people have quoted Vatican documents backing my complaints up, then why do you think the learned wouldn’t be concerned? It wasn’t clear to Spirithound that they weren’t abuses… why take me to tack? Why not everyone else who agreed? Not saying you should, but you seem to think my position in the Church allows you to talk to me in a manner that others wouldn’t stand for.
The mature thing would have been to consult the GIRM before making a fool of yourself on here, listing ‘abuses’ that anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of the Mass would know are NOT abuses.
Hang on a sec.
Context. I was talking about why people don’t notice abuses - because they’re not properly catechized and don’t take time at home to learn more about the right way to do things. You have already said things that weren’t in accord with Church discipline, with others telling you the same. And please don’t be confrontational or sardonic. I may be young, and you obviously don’t agree with this, but I know how to have a mature debate. But you are seeing me as rebelliously OCD or something, like I’m ten steps away from the SSPX.
How about him/her cutting his/her priest a break?
I’d suggest refining your word usage when referring to Mother Church.I study so much because I want to milk True Christianity for all it’s worth
Haha, thanks. I’ll take that as a compliment considering the fact that I’ve been Protestant for a couple of years and Catholic for three months!
) so I know that my best bet to figure things out is in the writings where Mother has already figured them out for us.Or…the lenses we use aren’t microscopes.
Maybe an attempt at education would be a better “break” rather than derision.
Maybe discussing concerns charitably with his priest would be a better ‘break’ than reporting every imagined abuse to the bishop.
Amen mark! Obviously Wounded is having issues re the Faith & Mass…but her heart is in the right place (love of Our Lord and respect for the Holy Mass, and Holy Mother Church) and with a little education–and a little distance from the Litsapo or Catholic Talaban if you will–I have no doubt she will glory in finding our Holy Church! Education (preferably from live-body pastors and not disembodied internet script) is the balm she needs, not sharp comments.
It’d be one thing if I were manically attacking my clergy with personal insults, but I’m going about this with a mostly professional vocabulary and tone, so yes you should give me a break. I never said a strong NO to speaking with my priest about it. I’m simply too shy and afraid to do it though I’m mulling it over and seeing at as a better choice as time goes by. It’s not like I want there to be problems, ya know. I don’t take pleasure in having this issue. But when the people who agree with me are charitable about it, and those who don’t deride me, which party is it wiser to heed?
Well, technically he, but no problem there. Could you tell me where I’m going wrong. Trust me, if I’m wrong there’s no way in Hell I want to stay wrong. You said something about the GIRM standards?
Don’t hold your breath.
Okay, I will admit that I made that post incredibly unclear as to my intentions in writing it.I just might be getting pushed by God into the Tridentine Mass, because I just can’t handle all the variation available in the Novus Ordo. It’s like you have to keep 14 Eucharistic prayers in your head, several different options for the Rite of Penance, tons of options for psalms, memorize priest and people’s proper gestures, remember that basically half the mass can be cut out during weekdays (but might not be too), and God knows what else (literally, no vanity - oh, church law too) so I’m not surprised no one seems to pipe up when something gets finagled up. Then there’s how the Vatican prefers kneeling at the Eucharist, the USCCB practically demands standing, and the bishops change motions and such for their diocese.
I went to another church today and he used a different Eucharistic Prayer, plus no music at all, omitted the Creed, used the short form of the Penitential Rite, and emptied the holy water fount for Easter (unless the member I spoke with got it wrong, I hope he did). I’m obviously keeping up to the best of my abilities right now to be able to spot the abuses I have, but good grief! I really don’t feel like reporting every other church I visit! :juggle:|
… I hate how, when the rubrics allow for variation, the parishes seem to always choose the shortest readings and omit any sort of embellishment (can I get some water on me and some incense up my nose please?) Give them an inch…
WoundedIcon was inquiring about: 1. the laity’s ability to give blessings; 2. relativism; 3. ecumenism; 4. baptism and hell; 5. penance; 6. liturgical music; 7. his/(her?) inability to follow in the missal because of “jarring changes;” 8. the laity’s ability to give blessings; 9. the priest’s location during the homily; and 10. meditation.
