Poverty Each Year Kills 900,000 Children

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Matt25:
There is a special Peace page on the Vatican website vatican.va/holy_father/special_features/peace/prayer-peace_index.html I commend it to your prayerful attention. You will find the Encyclical Pacem in Terris (Peace on Earth) and all the Message’s for the World Day of Peace January 1 as well as numerous other interventions by Paul VI, John Paul II and Benedict XVI. Please study the site and then you can tell me how I am misrepresenting the position of Holy Church on these issues.

Again I draw your attention to the January 2005 message, ie after the Iraq invasion
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I gather you mean some date other than January 2005. I can’t find a link on the Vatican peace page to that date. The Iraq war began on or about March 20, 2003.
 
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Evangel:
Still, there is this apparent discrepency between what is on your website and what is on the Vatican site. For the time being, I’ll have to go with the Vatican content. Not only is it coming from an official source, it certainly seems to me to be in conformity with Church doctrine.
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Fine, go with JP2’s 1980 speech on the Vatican site referenced in post 34, where he says explicitly that he said that at Drogheda in 1979! 🙂

Mike
 
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Evangel:
I gather you mean some date other than January 2005. I can’t find a link on the Vatican peace page to that date. The Iraq war began on or about March 20, 2003.
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No, he does mean January 2005, but you have to click on the ‘Messages for the World Peace Days’ at the top. It isn’t referenced on the main page. Seems the Vatican website isn’t infallible in keeping everything in the right place, after all 🙂

Mike
 
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Matt25:
the website Ireland.com is in English you will be happy to know.
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What leads you to believe I would be happy to know your websites are in English? Do you speak Irish?
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Matt25:
In fact virtually every Irish website, newspaper, magazine, book etc etc in English for some reason.
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Oh, so you do speak Irish; for if you did not speak Irish then how would you be able to tell if every Irish website, newspaper, magazine, book etc etc [is] in English, for some reason? And what reason would have every Irish website in English? Are you making this stuff up?
 
Ani Ibi:
Oh, so you do speak Irish; for if you did not speak Irish then how would you be able to tell if every Irish website, newspaper, magazine, book etc etc [is] in English, for some reason?
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Err… because he speaks English? Could you stop your continued uncharitable unpleasantness towards Matt, by any chance, and let us get back on topic?

Mike
 
Pretty much everyone in the UK speaks English…so Ani, I’m not quite sure what you’re getting at.
 
I just realized Drogheda isn’t in Northern Ireland, but none the less, the majority of the Irish people (both northern and southern) speak English.
 
Kaleb Kroger:
I just realized Drogheda isn’t in Northern Ireland, but none the less, the majority of the Irish people (both northern and southern) speak English.
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That’s not the point though is it? The point is, when you visit a foreign country, you make some attempt to address their people in their own language or at least not in the language of a people who have occupied them for centuries. My example was that, when visiting Quebec, one makes the effort to speak French at least on an official level.
 
Kaleb Kroger:
Pretty much everyone in the UK speaks English…so Ani, I’m not quite sure what you’re getting at.
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You’re not quite sure what I’m getting at? :whistle:
 
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Evangel:
And frankly, since (a) the entire context of the Drogheda homily is “the troubles” in the region of Ireland, and (b) the content is so clearly directed at “Catholics and Protestants” alike, I’m hard-pressed to see JPII talking about anything except the futility of terrorism.
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The Holy Father quoted himself in the World Day of Peace message for this year posted above, you can also find it at zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=63676 so if he used the words "To attain the good of peace there must be a clear and conscious acknowledgment that** violence is an unacceptable evil and that it never solves problems. “**Violence is a lie, for it goes against the truth of our faith, the truth of our humanity. Violence destroys what it claims to defend: the dignity, the life, the freedom of human beings.” in 2005 it is a fair bet he was talking about more than the Irish troubles of the past.

Incidentally the Pope did preach in English while in Ireland see for example at Phoenix Park Dublin-
ireland.com/focus/papaldeath/article_p4a.htm

About 2,000 priests distributed Communion to the crowds who were arranged in corrals so that they would better see the Pope when he drove among them, standing in the special “popemobile” to give them a better view.

** In his lengthy homily in his strongly accented English**, the Pope duly praised the loyalty of the Irish to the Catholic faith down the centuries but warned that the church in Ireland could not “live on past glories”. It now had to confront the challenges of materialism, self-indulgence, consumerism and affluence.
 
It is estimated that only about 30% of Irish are familiar with Irish (Gaelic) with about 10% being fluent, so what language would you suggest the Holy Father uses? Urdu?
 
Ani Ibi:
That’s not the point though is it? The point is, when you visit a foreign country, you make some attempt to address their people in their own language or at least not in the language of a people who have occupied them for centuries. My example was that, when visiting Quebec, one makes the effort to speak French at least on an official level.
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It is estimated that about 30% of the population of Ireland are conversant with Irish (Gaelic) with about 10% being fluent, 100% (give or take a few noughts after the decimal point) speak English. Therefore what language do you think the Holy Father should have used, the one that 30% MIGHT have been able to comprehend or the one that 100% of the people listening would have understood?
 
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walstan:
It is estimated that about 30% of the population of Ireland are conversant with Irish (Gaelic) with about 10% being fluent, 100% (give or take a few noughts after the decimal point) speak English. Therefore what language do you think the Holy Father should have used, the one that 30% MIGHT have been able to comprehend or the one that 100% of the people listening would have understood?
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Yes, indeed the Irish came close to losing their language altogether. But that is not the point, Sir. That the Irish are literate and multilingual is not the point either. That Irish is the language of the Irish is the point.
 
Matt25 said:
"To attain the good of peace there must be a clear and conscious acknowledgment that** violence is an unacceptable evil and that it never solves problems.**
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And therefore the dictators who hold the poor as hostage should be held accountable by means of Just War where all else fails. You have yet to apply Just War to the problem at hand. What? This is the third reminder? No more out-of-context quotes. Apply the JWD.
 
Ani Ibi:
Yes, indeed the Irish came close to losing their language altogether. But that is not the point, Sir. That the Irish are literate and multilingual is not the point either. That Irish is the language of the Irish is the point.
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Is Belgian the language of Belgium? Is Swiss the language of Switzerland? Is Canadian the language of Canada?
 
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