[Practicing, Poorly Catechized] Lesbian Denied Communion at Mother's Funeral

[sedonaman]

… the -]populist/-] sensationalist media – …

The -]populist/-] sensationalist media has no business proffering an opinion on any religious matter since they are for the most part self-declared atheists. Sorta like asking Barbra Streisand if we should go to war with N. Korea.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

This is true. My family just planned two funerals. Both times Father came to our house and met with my sister and me.

Marvelous! Great parish. My father-in-law and my young sister-in-law (50) died the same month last year. None of us saw a priest until the funeral Mass. A shame, I thought, as it would have been a comfort, especially about my SIL.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

The -]populist/-] sensationalist media has no business proffering an opinion on any religious matter since they are for the most part self-declared atheists. Sorta like asking Barbra Streisand if we should go to war with N. Korea.

Should the public media be issued special permits or licenses by the major religious faiths before they can offer opinions on religious matters? Should Catholic or Lutheran or Jewish media also have to be licensed before reporting on each other? Sheesh!!

 

[joanofarc2008]

Just so.

"Canon lawyers, like theologians, seem to be a dime a dozen these days. The Magisterium and St. Paul in 1 Cor. 11 are pretty clear on this and I’ll rely on infallibility rather than opinion. "

Self-appointed interpreters of Canon Law and the Scriptures also seem to be a dime a dozen these days as well.

The Magisterium in this case spoke against the priest.

 

[LemonAndLime]

The -]populist/-] sensationalist media has no business proffering an opinion on any religious matter since they are for the most part self-declared atheists. Sorta like asking Barbra Streisand if we should go to war with N. Korea.

The irony of your statement is that by the same token you have no business in commenting on the secularist media (as you do here) as you are part of the religious ‘collection of people’.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

The Magisterium in this case spoke against the priest.

Exactly so!

 

[Elizabeth502]

Should the public media be issued special permits or licenses by the major religious faiths before they can offer opinions on religious matters? Should Catholic or Lutheran or Jewish media also have to be licensed before reporting on each other? Sheesh!!

Did sedonaman say that? Show us where. It seems to me that he’s addressing the subject of expertise. I didn’t read him mentioning “licensing.”

Example: Non-practicing Catholic (“out and proud”) Lawrence O’Donnell is forever misrepresenting both Church doctrine and the salient facts of a story, in order to promote the MSNBC corporate agenda of the American pro-homosexual lobby. I’ll never forget his announcement during his program, some time ago, when an Oregon pro-gay-marriage initiative was overturned, that, quoting him verbatim:
Lawrence O'Donnell:

Hate won in Oregon today.

He, Matthews, and the lot of their peers are forever misreporting what the Church has and has not done, and what the Church is and is not entitled to do, including what the internal regulations of the Church are. Ironically, the most subdued and balanced of the MSNBC reporters (on the subject of homosexual news), is, in my estimation, Rachel Maddow, herself a lesbian. Yes, she does occasionally have guests on her show which speak to homosexual issues (more often, about gays in the military than about other matters), but she does not misrepresent Catholicism nor condemn Catholicism. Btw, I’m pretty sure she’s Jewish.

Matthews, a practicing Catholic, constantly makes public misstatements about Catholic doctrine.

 

[Myqyl]

Jesus said “Take This and eat it all of you”

There were certainly sinners at that table. In fact everyone but Jesus Himself was a sinner. And yet Jesus didn’t deny them the Eucharist…

Food for thought

 

[SwizzleStick]

Here is an ongoing thread on the topic.

[Practicing, Poorly Catechized] Lesbian Denied Communion at Mother’s Funeral
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=650147

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Did sedonaman say that? Show us where. It seems to me that he’s addressing the subject of expertise. I didn’t read him mentioning “licensing.”
“media has no business proffering an opinion on any religious matter”

If they have no business offering opinions (believe it or not, the 1st Amendment defends a right to offer opinions on anything, whether right or wrong.) then it might follow that the media ought to be licensed to give opinions if those are about religious matters.

 

[anp1215]

It’s sad that she presented herself for Communion in the first place, thereby putting the priest in an awkward situation.

 

[Havard]

Here is an ongoing thread on the topic.

[Practicing, Poorly Catechized] Lesbian Denied Communion at Mother’s Funeral
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=650147

Suggesting merger. :sad_yes:

 

[TheRealJuliane]

I know this woman personally, as she was my art teacher in high school.

I do not even see why she went up for Communion in the first place.

Not just because of the grave sin, but this woman is BUDDHIST.

I know her story. She was baptized Catholic, but I don’t recall her saying that she received the Blessed Sacrament of Confirmation. I do remember her saying that she got into many spats with her parish priest as a teenager. She turned away from the Roman Catholic faith at an early age. She knows all the precepts. Especially the one where non-Catholics cannot receive Communion. And yet she goes up there, conscious of grave sin. The priest should have talked to her privately, but since she knows these things and is not a Catholic, I don’t see why she went up in the first place.

Obviously, there is an agenda.

 

[Elizabeth502]

Rich, I’m going to ask that you correct/edit your public post here to reflect the truth, or I will ask the moderators to do it for you:

You represented to the forum users here that I made a statement that a different poster made. That was, is, disingenuous of you.

 

[SwizzleStick]

Suggesting merger. :sad_yes:

Good idea.

 

[ByzCathCantor]

Jesus said “Take This and eat it all of you”

There were certainly sinners at that table. In fact everyone but Jesus Himself was a sinner. And yet Jesus didn’t deny them the Eucharist…

Food for thought

So sin away and yet receive the Holy Eucharist?

For sake of clarity, I’m not saying that the way in which this was done (nor the moment) was right, but to send a signal that it is alright to expect to receive the Holy Eucharist while in a grave state of sin is also terribly irresponsible.

There are two wrongs here that do not make a right.

The originally posted statement quoted above ignores the obvious - that the Lord is always able in His great mercy to forgive sin. We as sinners, priests included, do not enjoy this power and privilege. That is reserved for the confessional, and it is initiated by a penitent. A priest has no power to absolve otherwise.

 

[ByzCathCantor]

Here is an ongoing thread on the topic.

[Practicing, Poorly Catechized] Lesbian Denied Communion at Mother’s Funeral
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=650147

Yes, and the correction suggested in the thread subject line to the typically and not surprisingly misleading original media headline is IMHO appropriate.

The suggested merger of threads is likewise appropriate.

 

[Khalid]

If the priest knows she is in unrepentant mortal sin and unwilling to repent, and is living scandal and mortal sin publicly, wouldn’t be be remiss in his duties to commune her? “As many of ye eat the body and blood, but not discerning the body and blood… that is why many of ye have fallen sick, even unto death”. It was her presumptuously presenting for communion, while living in open, obstinate mortal sin that caused the situation in the first place.

I don’t think the priest should not be removed from his ministry, and think he made the right call, but I do not know if the canon law disagrees with me.

 

[anp1215]

"Her anger and outrage have now led her and members of her family to demand that Guarnizo be removed from his ministry.

“You brought your politics, not your God into that Church yesterday, and you will pay dearly on the day of judgment for judging me,” she wrote in a letter to Guarnizo. “I will pray for your soul, but first I will do everything in my power to see that you are removed from parish life so that you will not be permitted to harm any more families.”" (Washington Post)

Ridiculous.

Shame on this woman for presenting herself for Communion in the first place. She wanted a news story and got one.

 

[FrIntervention]

So sin away and yet receive the Holy Eucharist?

For sake of clarity, I’m not saying that the way in which this was done (nor the moment) was right, but to send a signal that it is alright to expect to receive the Holy Eucharist while in a grave state of sin is also terribly irresponsible.

There are two wrongs here that do not make a right.

The originally posted statement quoted above ignores the obvious - that the Lord is always able in His great mercy to forgive sin. We as sinners, priests included, do not enjoy this power and privilege. That is reserved for the confessional, and it is initiated by a penitent. A priest has no power to absolve otherwise.

So Jesus must have been irresonsible in giving Judas communion at the Last Supper. Sheesh! The real problem is this absurd notioin that we have to protect God from sinners by denying them the sacraments.