Pratt: what media won’t tell you about the new zealand massacre

[RuthAnne]

For me. Carry.

 

[upant]

Thus my assertion that concealed-carry is not a benefit to society.

one life saved is a benefit

The claims that it benefits society at large is bogus and cannot be supported.

not true, if I am in a crowd and I take out a perp, I am armed for my family’s protection but the community near me receives the benefit.

Thanks for proving that the only argument left to gun-worshippers

a gun is a tool like a screwdriver, not an object to be worshiped. Worship is reserved for God alone.

It would not make any difference if they went away.

you are right unless people in those zones started carrying.

Statistical studies prove that to be wrong.

so if a person wants to commit suicide and a gun is not available they won’t do it?

None of which addresses what you quoted

you want to add a training requirement, the cost of this training will eliminate many poor people who need personal protection most. you have to…

 

[RuthAnne]

Like they say … it’s not about gun control. It’s about control. And it makes them crazy that they can’t control us.

Which makes me laugh … :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

 

[GKMotley]

Boondock Saints. My daughter’s favorite movie.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

Thus my assertion that concealed-carry is not a benefit to society.

one life saved is a benefit

And two lives lost because of people using guns incorrectly is a loss.

The claims that it benefits society at large is bogus and cannot be supported.

not true, if I am in a crowd and I take out a perp, I am armed for my family’s protection but the community near me receives the benefit.

You are not taking into account all the costs associated with having a large number of people armed. Those costs weigh against any possible benefit to society at large for you being armed.

Statistical studies prove that to be wrong.

so if a person wants to commit suicide and a gun is not available they won’t do it?

Half of them will and half of them won’t (or some such fraction). Whereas when a gun is available, the fraction that commits suicide is greater. So there will be some of them that die that would not have died otherwise.

None of which addresses what you quoted

you want to add a training requirement, the cost of this training will eliminate many poor people who need personal protection most. you have to…

Not if the training is paid for by government.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

For me. Carry.

I asked about an alternative for society at large. Applying the solution you suggest for yourself is a very poor alternative when applied to society at large.

 

[RuthAnne]

Applying the solution you suggest for yourself is a very poor alternative when applied to society at large.

It works for me. I’m not a control freak who thinks they know what is better for everyone else.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

Applying the solution you suggest for yourself is a very poor alternative when applied to society at large.

It works for me. I’m not a control freak who thinks they know what is better for everyone else.

But in this case civic policy that allows or doesn’t allow you that choice does affect everyone else, possibly very negatively. So it is not as simple as saying “Let me do my thing and other people can do their thing.”

 

[RuthAnne]

So it is not as simple as saying “Let me do my thing and other people can do their thing.”

It is that simple. We have cops. As an additional safeguard, I carry. You do your thing whatever it is. I don’t care.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

So it is not as simple as saying “Let me do my thing and other people can do their thing.”

It is that simple. We have cops. As an additional safeguard, I carry. You do your thing whatever it is. I don’t care.

You are refusing to acknowledge the society-wide impact of a policy that lets everyone do what they want. As an analogy, do you think anyone ought to be allowed to raise hogs on a city lot if they want to? It is like that.

 

[RuthAnne]

You are refusing to acknowledge the society-wide impact of a policy that lets everyone do what they want.

Not at all. I just don’t have a burning need to control other people. You mind your business and I’ll mind mine. Be happy. Don’t harm others. It’s not that complicated.

 

[RuthAnne]

do you think anyone ought to be allowed to raise hogs on a city lot if they want to? It is like that.

I can only speak for myself. My neighbors have dogs, cats, chickens, ducks, horses, cows goats, turkeys, donkeys and who knows what else. A few hogs would not bother me at all. Fresh pork sounds good to me. What’s between you and your neighbors is no concern of mine. And what’s between me and my neighbors should be no concern of yours.

 

[MarszDabrowski]

What was done in NZ was a monumental evil. The hate and fear that foul dictators like Trump and Putin have instilled in their people against the Muslims are equally monumental and precipitated acts such as these. These lies of muslim armies spreading across Europe, mass rapes, etc., have all enkindled flames of hatred worldwide. Don’t try to defend the promotion of gun proliferation. It is motivated by the old enemy, the love of money, the root of all evil. Mr. Putin, Mr. Trump, and the NRA love the sound of tinkling gold coins even if it means going into a house of God and murdering men at prayer.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

You say you are acknowledging the impact to society, but your postings say otherwise.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Then you obviously don’t live on a city lot, so once again you have evaded the question.

 

[upant]

You are not taking into account all the costs associated with having a large number of people armed. Those costs weigh against any possible benefit to society at large for you being armed.

we have a large number armed now and except for a few loose nuts things are running smooth.

As of 2018 there have been 17.25 million concealed weapon permits issued in the United States. (wiki)

Not if the training is paid for by government.

I have not seen that proposed.

 

[RuthAnne]

I haven’t evaded the question. It seems to bother you that I don’t have the burning desire to be in everyone else’s business. I’m just not a control freak.

 

[RuthAnne]

Then you obviously don’t live on a city lot,

Obviously?

I live on a city lot. It just happens to be a large lot.

 

[Cathoholic]

LeafByNiggle . . . .

I asked about an alternative for society at large.

The citizens making their own decisions about what they choose to do or don’t do.
(Government is not the people in society’s nanny.)

 

[Cathoholic]

MarszDabrowski . . . .

The hate and fear that foul dictators like Trump and Putin have instilled in their people against the Muslims are equally monumental and precipitated acts such as these.

“Trump’s” fault huh?

Your solution?

Turn your arms over to “Trump”.
Have “Trump” make more decisions for us.
Give “Trump” MORE power.