Pratt: what media won’t tell you about the new zealand massacre

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The slant of the article is strange. Literally every article I have read about this shooting has detailed the existing gun laws in New Zealand. Fail to see how this is something the “media won’t tell you” as the media is telling me.
 
It might pay you to take a trip to the west coast towns of the south island of New Zealand, to determine the gun culture in New Zealand.
Right now, you are assuming what the media is feeding you re issues on another country is accurate.
And that is where your argument falls flat.
 
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It was in response to your post #3.
It wasn’t a determination, but a question.
 
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FirstFiveEighth . . .
The ironic thing is that the killer specifically stated that he chose to use guns to get politicians in the US and NZ to go for more gun control legislation. And that is the first thing the PM wants to go after. So good job being manipulated by this sicko.
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This also is very insightful. I hope you don’t mind, but I am going to use this point elsewhere.
 
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LateranBasilica . . .
Right now, you are assuming what the media is feeding you re issues on another country is accurate.
And that is where your argument falls flat.
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Right now, you are assuming that I only read the media American sources are feeding me re issues on another country.
And that is where your argument falls flat.

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But I was hoping you would want to discuss the issues, not what you think about me and what I am “assuming”.
 
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  • New Zealand has far greater gun control than we have in the United States.
  • New Zealand requires gun-owner licensing, registration for certain guns, universal background checks and more.
  • Authorities will even investigate gun buyers by interviewing family members before issuing licenses. . . .
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TheLittleLady . . .
Literally every article I have read about this shooting has detailed the existing gun laws in New Zealand. Fail to see how this is something the “media won’t tell you” as the media is telling me.
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I’ve read dozens.

I rarely see the first two points below. (Thank goodness, Breitbart News Service HAS pointed those out.)

And I have never seen “Authorities will even investigate gun buyers by interviewing family members before issuing licenses.”

I suppose if this is so common (“Literally every article”), you could link me here to
three CNN articles and
two more from MSNBC
making this point the day of and/or the ensuing two days after the massacre (a three day window will make it even easier for you.)
Authorities will even investigate gun buyers by interviewing family members before issuing licenses
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That should be easy enough. (But I just haven’t seen those.)

From the article . . .
First, New Zealand has far greater gun control than we have in the United States.

New Zealand requires gun-owner licensing, registration for certain guns, universal background checks and more.

Authorities will even investigate gun buyers by interviewing family members before issuing licenses. So-called “assault weapons” are legal, but heavily restricted.

Taken together, the country’s gun control far exceeds what we have in the United States. And yet their extreme restrictions did not stop a bad guy from using firearms to commit a heinous massacre last week.
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Cathoholic said:
PRATT: WHAT MEDIA WON’T TELL YOU ABOUT THE NEW ZEALAND MASSACRE

10:00 AM 03/19/2019 | OPINION

Erich Pratt | Gun Owners of America. Daily Caller

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True to form, here are at least three things the media will not tell you about New Zealand’s shooting.

First, New Zealand has far greater gun control than we have in the United States.

New Zealand requires gun-owner licensing, registration for certain guns, universal background checks and more.
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Oh, please, stop.

I, for one, have lost all residual amusement from conspiracy theories involving “things the media will not tell you about” that include links to the New York Times.

Trolling is best when accomplished with an eye to good art.
 
Juvenal . . .
I, for one, have lost all residual amusement from conspiracy theories involving “things the media will not tell you about” that include links to the New York Times.
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OK. Now that you’ve told me about your feelings (losing “amusement”), I am interested in discussing the substance of the article.

What is your take on that?

(I affirm SOME of these things have been in the mainstream media by the way and I have said that. Scant but “some”. Not all points [at least that I have seen], but some. After all, I was the one that posted the article and the NYT link with it.)

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Trolling is best when accomplished with an eye to good art.
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I didn’t know that. I don’t think I have ever “trolled” here. As a matter of fact, I don’t think I have ever posted as a “troll” anywhere.

But I am not afraid to discuss provocative subjects either. (That is not “trolling”.)
 
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Well, sorry if it makes no sense. I don’t know what else to say. I was only asking
a question.
 
I’m referring to the article that was linked.

I already knew that New Zealand has much stricter gun control laws than the United States (I had watched a documentary about New Zealand only a few weeks ago while I was home sick). I was surprised that throughout the day, the NBC reporters didn’t mention this (we don’t have cable, and I think NBC is the most balanced of the three networks).

It probably didn’t get mentioned out of respect for the dead–no one wanted to see a potential politicizing of the horrible story.

I didn’t realize that the murderer was stopped by someone with a gun. I had heard that a young man tackled him. Were there two shooters?

I think that it’s important to learn the whole story as much as it’s possible to report it because it’s pertinent to the issue of gun control and 2nd Amendment rights here in the U.S.
 
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Someone picked up a gun and threw it at his car window and the window shattered.
I read he perhaps thought someone shot at his window and he pulled away.
That is what I read.
 
Well LateranBasilica.

You were wondering about 7_Sorrows mentioning . . .
So are you against having armed security
providing protection at places of worship
to defend the worshippers from being attacked and being defenseless?
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I cannot answer or develop the question for 7_Sorrows.

But I CAN ask the same thing for myself.

Now you would almost certainly ask me the same question.
Please explain how you made that leap.
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Well I haven’t made that leap (yet).

But if you want to outlaw ALL guns, then it is pretty easy to make that “leap”. (The police would not have guns if they were “outlawed” would they?)

Or . . .

If you want to outlaw ALMOST ALL guns, but
ONLY AGAINST law-abiding citizens in New Zealand, then you are taking away from the only defense that these people had initially.

And if you read international stories (like I have), you find out the good guy with the shotgun, had to run home in the middle of the mayhem to get even that.

So you are in effect in PRINCIPLE (I am NOT saying you are WANTING this, but the PRINCIPLE of what you may be saying, the circumstances would demand it in this case), allowing the killer to go unchecked at all (until the police arrive) or perhaps be bold enough to go kill more people elsewhere!

Yet the good guy with a gun at least had SOMETHING for defense even as helpless as these people were.

Actually I have no idea what you are thinking in this area because I am still waiting to hear what you have to say.

So what are you thinking here? Please clarify this situation regarding your suggestions.
 
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Peeps said:
I think that it’s important to learn the whole story
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That whole story was published as the information became available.

And the story is that murderer was stopped by an unarmed person who first threw an credit ar reader at the assailant, then picked up and empty gun that the assailant had discarded and threw the gun at him. Is that what you realized?
 
dvdjs . . .
And the story is that murderer was stopped by an unarmed person who first threw an credit ar reader at the assailant, then picked up and empty gun that the assailant had discarded and threw the gun at him.
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dvdjs is absolutely right here.

The story has been updated regarding Abdul Aziz (the man who fought back using a credit card machine and one of the killers guns-- throwing it through one of the killer’s vehicle windows) since I last read about him.

Here is his testimony.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/national..._id=1503075&gal_cid=1503075&gallery_id=204751

And here is the story.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/worl...the-christchurch-gunman/ar-BBUQTo1?li=AAgfYrC

Thank you dvdjs.
 
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Cathoholic said:
  • New Zealand has far greater gun control than we have in the United States.
  • New Zealand requires gun-owner licensing, registration for certain guns, universal background checks and more.
  • Authorities will even investigate gun buyers by interviewing family members before issuing licenses. . . .
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How did this murderer end up getting his gun?
 
Its totally off topic to my comment. I am wondering if you understood my initial comment?
Cathoholic said:
But I CAN ask the same thing for myself.

Now you would almost certainly ask me the same question.
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I would certainly not ask the same question, and
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So are you against having armed security
providing protection at places of worship
to defend the worshippers from being attacked and being defenseless?
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Is not a question, it is an interrogative remark as denoted by the word ‘so’. It is also uncharitable and argumentative.
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Well I haven’t made that leap (yet).

But if you want to outlaw ALL guns , then it is pretty easy to make that “leap”. (The police would not have guns if they were “ outlawed ” would they?)

Or . . .

If you want to outlaw ALMOST ALL guns, but
ONLY AGAINST law-abiding citizens in New Zealand, then you are taking away from the only defense that these people had initially.
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there you go again, using the posts of another to attempt to push an agenda.

The country I am in, and my opinions on gun laws or not and types of guns outlawed or not, or in fact any other weapons including Sai, Bokken, bows and arrows, etc
Are none of your concern.

And again I will restate, have you been to the west coast of the South Island of New Zealand, spent any significant time there? If you had, you might be speaking with a little knowledge on the topic.

Perhaps we could discuss jumping out of helicopters with weapons, and onto deer during hunting season in New Zealand, by hunters. As an example of the consideration given to weapons, the rights to own them and use them in that country.
 
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