Pray for Abdul Rahmen

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Shadowcry:
People aren’t more important than other people. THe Ethnikoi were the people who practised the original greek religion.
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Zeus and Hera? Oh, come on! How about Mithras? Ishtar? Isis? Surely they were persecuted too by the evil Imperial Christian Roman empire? Give us a break, puhlease!
 
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pro_universal:
Face it, this thread is about bashing Islam like every other one cestusdei posts on this forum.

The point is not to demonize Christians. The point is to make clear how blazingly hypocritical it is to demand that all muslims take responsibility for crimes like the one against this Abdul Rahman, while simultaneously denying that Christianity is responsible for any crime at all.

Just 20 years ago, there was a whole Church group preaching that blacks were meant to be subdued and that Christianity supported Apartheid. Of course, if someone brings up an example like that, you all say “But they weren’t following Jesus!”

In contrast, when examples of crimes by muslims like the one above are posted, and a muslim comes to say “This is not following Islam!,” half the board pounces on him and says “OH YES IT IS ISLAM! You must take responsibility for this! This is your teaching!”

That is hypocrisy, pure and simple.
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So I assume you will not pray for Abdul Rahmen?

Another thread derailed by pro-universal. When are you going to get banned for this nonsense already?
 
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LilyM:
pro, I am an active member of Amnesty International and have campaigned over many years for the human rights of people of many nationalities and religions - including Muslims in Aceh Indonesia who are seeking independence and the right to practice their religion as they see fit.

Don’t assume that I or others on this forum are necessarily bigoted. I’m sure most of us would go to the defence of a Muslim if they were also threatened with execution simply for peacefully practicing their religion.
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I recognize and respect this, and should have been more careful in my post to limit my comment to those it was intended for.
 
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Mike_D30:
So I assume you will not pray for Abdul Rahmen?

Another thread derailed by pro-universal. When are you going to get banned for this nonsense already?
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When are you going to get banned for being rude!? :mad:
 
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Mike_D30:
So I assume you will not pray for Abdul Rahmen?

Another thread derailed by pro-universal. When are you going to get banned for this nonsense already?
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My comment was solicited specifically in the first post of this thread.

Of course I will pray for Abdul.

I will also pray for you and cestusdei to be released from your blindness.
 
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pro_universal:
The point is not to demonize Christians. The point is to make clear how blazingly hypocritical it is to demand that all muslims take responsibility for crimes like the one against this Abdul Rahman, while simultaneously denying that Christianity is responsible for any crime at all.
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Islam calls for the killing of Muslims who convert, Christianity doesn’t, notice how not one Muslim has claimed this action to be wrong? Because they can’t, if they do they acknowledge error in the Koran. No one is looking for Muslims to bear responsibility for all bad Muslim actions, just one of them would be O.K. with me, I haven’t seen it yet. Because the Koran calls for Jihad how can they say it’s wrong? The Koran calls to kill a Muslim who converts, how can they speak out against it?

Why not just say I’ll pray for the guy before he gets his head cut off since he commited no crime, he simply chose a different belief system? Because you can’t, you hate Christians too much, it’s obvious…
 
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pro_universal:
My comment was solicited specifically in the first post of this thread.

Of course I will pray for Abdul.

I will also pray for you and cestusdei to be released from your blindness.
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Save your prayers, you need them more than I, your hatred for Christians has you blinded…
 
Thank you Pro, you never fail. This man is an Afghani Christian. Your peace loving Taliban blew up and destroyed the two Buddhas which were a part of all humankind’s cultural heritage. Note Pro, that it was not Christians who did this and note Pro that it is not Christians who are in this day and age putting people to death because they convert to another religion. Tell me, Pro, as an American, don’t you think that Freedom of Religion is one of the most important things anyone can have?
 
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Shadowcry:
They were I could prove it to you.
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Are these Muslims wrong for sending Abdul Rahmen to be executed for converting to Christianity even though he was once a believing Muslim? You still haven’t answered.
 
Why not just say I’ll pray for the guy before he gets his head cut off since he commited no crime, he simply chose a different belief system? Because you can’t, you hate Christians too much, it’s obvious.
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What does “Of course I will pray for Abdul” mean to you, and where have you seen before in this thread?

As for Islamic teaching, this is a perfect example of what I was talking about. Christians kill apostates with the sanction of every Christian authority for centuries, and you say “that’s not real Christianity!”

Muslims kill an apostate, you say “that’s real Islam!” without any indication that you see the irony in what you just denied about Christianity.

brother, the same goes for your point. Why are you forcing all Islam to own the Taliban, if Christianity doesn’t have to own its members’ crimes?
 
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pro_universal:
Just 20 years ago, there was a whole Church group preaching that blacks were meant to be subdued and that Christianity supported Apartheid. Of course, if someone brings up an example like that, you all say “But they weren’t following Jesus!”

In contrast, when examples of crimes by muslims like the one above are posted, and a muslim comes to say “This is not following Islam!,” half the board pounces on him and says “OH YES IT IS ISLAM! You must take responsibility for this! This is your teaching!”

That is hypocrisy, pure and simple.
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If you’re talking about segregation and the Civil Rights movement, you forgot to mention that Christianity also helped spark the Civil Rights movement. Martin Luther King was an ordained minister.
 
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pro_universal:
My comment was solicited specifically in the first post of this thread.

Of course I will pray for Abdul.

I will also pray for you and cestusdei to be released from your blindness.
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And I will pray for you Pro because you are walking in the same footsteps as Neville Chamberlin. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
 
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pro_universal:
What does “Of course I will pray for Abdul” mean to you, and where have you seen before in this thread?

As for Islamic teaching, this is a perfect example of what I was talking about. Christians kill apostates with the sanction of every Christian authority for centuries, and you say “that’s not real Christianity!”

Muslims kill an apostate, you say “that’s real Islam!” without any indication that you see the irony in what you just denied about Christianity.

brother, the same goes for your point. Why are you forcing all Islam to own the Taliban, if Christianity doesn’t have to own its members’ crimes?
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That’s a balls statement, one that I suspect you will be able to back up with any writings from scripture and/or the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

Until you can the comparison you are making is a red herring, and only meant to derail the thread, because the action is indefenseable.

And of course the rally of Muslims condeming this act has been astounding hasn’t it?
 
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Mike_D30:
Save your prayers, you need them more than I, your hatred for Christians has you blinded…
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lol your hatred for sense has you blinded.
 
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LRThunder:
If you’re talking about segregation and the Civil Rights movement, you forgot to mention that Christianity also helped spark the Civil Rights movement. Martin Luther King was an ordained minister.
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And I’ve posted and others have posted writings from muslims that denounce violence and religious intolerance. That doesn’t seem to prove any points, so why should Christian civil rights leaders prove anything about Christianity?

I was referring to South Africa’s apartheid system, anyway.
 
pro_universal said:
What does “Of course I will pray for Abdul” mean to you, and where have you seen before in this thread?
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As for Islamic teaching, this is a perfect example of what I was talking about. Christians kill apostates with the sanction of every Christian authority for centuries, and you say “that’s not real Christianity!”
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we say this because Jesus did NOT condon it.
Muslims kill an apostate, you say “that’s real Islam!” without any indication that you see the irony in what you just denied about Christianity.
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is killing apostates in islam or not?

Pro, is killing apostates good or not?
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pro_universal:
And I’ve posted and others have posted writings from muslims that denounce violence and religious intolerance. That doesn’t seem to prove any points, so why should Christian civil rights leaders prove anything about Christianity?

I was referring to South Africa’s apartheid system, anyway.
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is killing apostates condoned by your prophet or not?
 
Hey Pro? I’m not aware of any Christian country killing apostates recently. Can you cite an example of this?
 
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