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Good people of the Catholic faith are also supporting Amendment
2 because they want to support scientists who are seeking cures for serious and deadly illnesses like Muscular dystrophy, Parkinson’s disease, and other terrifying illneses.
I believe these people support research that supports life.
This amendment supports research under strict guidelines that
can help people with serious illnesses.
Cloning is prohibited.
And it is very doubtful that there will be any black market for
egg donors.
These anti-amendment 2 ads are extremely misleading.
It would be unfortunate if such promising life saving research and treatment ends up being curtailed in Missouri.
 
The reason to vote for amendment 2 is because of articles in the toronto Sun such as:

Top stem cell researcher lured back from U.S.
Oct. 25, 2006. 01:00 AM
MEGAN OGILVIE
HEALTH REPORTER

Gordon Keller, one of the world’s leading stem cell scientists, is coming home to Canada.

We should pass amendment 2 so we can keep top scientists in the U.S. so they can develop life saving treatments for our loved ones in the U.S.
 
wisdom34 said:
Good people of the Catholic faith are also supporting Amendment
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Good people of the Catholic faith? What exactly do you mean by that? Was it too difficult to type good Catholics? I guess so. Look, good Catholics get sick and injured just like everyone else. We have watched our family members die. Thousands will vote “no” while suffering from such illness. They will vote “no” from their wheelchairs. Why? Because life in all forms, no matter how sick and no matter how small is life made in the image and likeness of God and they refuse to be a part of it’s destruction.
 
To me if a woman has IVF and creates a baby, she would not have been able to have otherwise, that is a culture of life. Only about 1 in 3 implanted embryos is usually viable.

If that same woman could not use all her embryos, and instead of the embryo becoming eventually non viable in cold storage, it is used to make stem cells which go on to prevent the disability and deaths of hundreds of patients with certain forms of severe forms of muscular dystrophy, that to me is a culture of life.

In that same sense, if I am in an accident and I am no longer a conscious being, but my organs are transplanted to save the life of someone on dialysis, that to me is a culture of life.

I believe the people who support amendment 2, do so because they believe it ultimately supports a culture of life.
 
wisdom34 said:
Only about 1 in 3 implanted embryos is usually viable.
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One of several reasons why IVF is wrong and goes against Church teaching.
You can’t deny that these embryos are human and you can’t deny that they are alive. If they weren’t alive they would be dead. A dead embryo would be useless for research. To take something that is alive and make it not alive is killing.
There is no need for embryonic research. Adult stem cells have 72 documented cures. Embryonic stem cells have 0 cures. Embryonic stem cell research has been disaster. The research has killed and worsened the ailments of patients hoping for a cure. Embryos are not spare parts to be used however we wish. The thought of it is Nazi science at it’s worst.
 
wisdom34 said:
Good people of the Catholic faith are also supporting Amendment
2 because they want to support scientists who are seeking cures for serious and deadly illnesses like Muscular dystrophy, Parkinson’s disease, and other terrifying illneses.
I believe these people support research that supports life.
This amendment supports research under strict guidelines that
can help people with serious illnesses.
Cloning is prohibited.
And it is very doubtful that there will be any black market for
egg donors.
These anti-amendment 2 ads are extremely misleading.
It would be unfortunate if such promising life saving research and treatment ends up being curtailed in Missouri.
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**Amendment 2 **is a lie and disception. Having been a victim of science’s race to a cure for Polio as a child…I know it is subtrfuge. Vote “NO”. **NO more victims in the name of a cure. **
 
wisdom34 said:
Cloning is prohibited.
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It bans reproductive cloning. Amendment 2 Subdivision 6(2)
“Clone or attempt to clone a human being” means to implant in a uterus or attempt to implant in a uterus anything other than the product of fertilization of an egg of a human femail by a spem of a human male for the purpose of initiating a pregnancy that could result in the creation of a human fetus, or the birth of a human being.
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This does not ban SCNT (Somatic Cell Nuclear Transfer). SCNT is recoginzed as cloning.

Autumn
 
And it is very doubtful that there will be any black market for egg donors.
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There will be no need for a black market. Amendment 2 will grant women the constitutional right to be paid for donating eggs. Amendment 2 states
(4) No person may, for valuable consideration, purchase of sell human blastocysts or eggs for stem cell research or stem cell therapies and cures.

6(17) "Valuable consideration" means financial gain or advantage, but does not include reimbursement for reasonable costs, incurred in connection with the removal, processing, disposal, preservation, quality control, storage, transfer, or for donation of human eggs, sperm, or blastocysts, including lost wages of the donor. Valuable consideration also does not include the consideration paid to a donor of human eggs or sperm by fertilization clinic or sperm bank, as well as any other consideration expressly allowed my federal law.
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goldenvalleytv.com/stemCell.html

This is a video of a speaker sponsored by the diocese of KC-St. Joe, explains ALL the issues in depth. If you think anything good can come out of this, watch this and hear the real story.

VOTE NO!!!
 
wisdom34 said:
it is used to make stem cells which go on to prevent the disability and deaths of hundreds of patients with certain forms of severe forms of muscular dystrophy, that to me is a culture of life.
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Embryonic stem-cells haven’t cured a single disease. The cause for embryonic stem-cell research is driven by emotion- not science or morality.

Whoever can, please find an adoration chapel, and/or a parish that has a prayer vigil and go to it.
 
astegallrnc said:
It bans reproductive cloning. Amendment 2 Subdivision 6(2)

This does not ban SCNT (Somatic Cell Nuclear Transfer). SCNT is recoginzed as cloning.

Autumn
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And this section of the amendment will NOT be on the ballots, from what I have heard.
 
Wisdom34,

I guess your post begs the question: When is a human being not a human being?

Or to be more concise: When do you believe “life” begins?

I find it ironic (and sorrowful) that this nation has laws in place to protect the ]eggs of a bald eagle (since we all know that it is - say it with me now - still an eagle), yet we can’t seem to follow the same logic when it comes to our own species.
 
And this section of the amendment will NOT be on the ballots, from what I have heard.
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That is my understanding.

The Amendment states in black and white that human embryonic stem cell rearch includes stem cells from therapetuic cloning, SCNT.
6(5) “Human embryonic stem cell research,” also referred to as “early stem cell research,” means any scientific or medical research involving human stem cells derived from in vitro fertilization blastocysts or from somatic cell nuclear transfer
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. For purposes of this section, human embryonic stem cell research does not include stem cell clinical trials.

Autumn
 
m134e5 said:
Embryonic stem-cells haven’t cured a single disease. The cause for embryonic stem-cell research is driven by emotion- not science or morality.

Whoever can, please find an adoration chapel, and/or a parish that has a prayer vigil and go to it.
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Not to mention in the case of Amendment 2, it is driven by one very wealthy couple, who have funded this campaign to legalize it and 95% of the funding is theirs. OH! And they just happen to own a research operation involved in **“Cloning.” **

Nice work if they can pull it off. We will have to pay for their research.
 
Rosalinda said:
It is true. What the voters will see on the ballot makes it look like they will be voting** against cloning** while they will be doing just the opposite: voting for cloning. The fine print in the Ammendment is very confusing and deliberately so. There is not one generally sounding good provision which has not been contradicted and overwritten by a superceding clause as one moves deeper into the document. So if someone is confused - simply vote NO.
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I don’t live in Missouri but I checked the text of the amendment out of curiosity.

The ban on cloning seems pretty clear
It even makes it a felony.

What is in the fine print that you don’t like? :confused:
 
The ban on cloning seems pretty clear
It even makes it a felony.
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It is tricky.
  1. To ensure that Missouri patients have access to stem cell therapies and cures, that Missouri researchers can conduct stem cell research in the state, and that all such research is conducted safely and ethically, any stem cell research permitted under federal law may be conducted in Missouri, and any stem cell therapies and cures permitted under federal law may be provided to patients in Missouri, subject to the requirements of federal law and only the following additional limitations and requirements:
    (1) No person may clone or attempt to clone a human being.
    being.
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However, you have to consider the definition of cloning as defined by Amendment 2.
6(2)“Clone or attempt to clone a human being” means to implant in a uterus
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or attempt to implant in a uterus anything other than the product of fertilization of an egg of a human femail by a spem of a human male for the purpose of initiating a pregnancy that could result in the creation of a human fetus, or the birth of a human http://www.sos.mo.gov/elections/2006petitions/ppStemCell.asp

It DOES NOT ban therapeutic cloning, such as Somatic Cell Nuclear Transfer…
6(5) “Human embryonic stem cell research,” also referred to as “early stem cell research,” means any scientific or medical research involving human stem cells derived from in vitro fertilization blastocysts or from somatic cell nuclear transfer. For purposes of this section, human embryonic stem cell research does not include stem cell clinical trials.
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http://www.sos.mo.gov/elections/2006petitions/ppStemCell.asp

Autumn
 
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