"Praying in Tongues"...is it O.K. during Mass ?

[silverwings_88]

I pray in tongues, yes, but I do so as to not distract those around me. Sometimes, during the consecration, I feel so spiritually emotional, that normal language cannot escape my breath in expressing the mystery of the Eucharistic Sacrifice.

 

[palmas85]

cheddarsox:

Are speaking in tongues and praying in tongues the same thing?

I thought not.

I would think that for someone to “speak” in tongues during Mass, in the sense of causing an outburst that distracts others, would be wrong.

but I see nothing wrong with a person praying in tongues, which is just the spirit moving through them, and speaking to God in a language or sounds which God understands. This is not distracting being private.

Praying in tongues (topic of this thread) does not require an interpreter as it is just between the praying person and God. That seems appropriate for Mass or any other time.

cheddar

I finally get it!!! I thought that maybe the Holy Spirit had shortchanged us, you know giving this gift to th Pentecostal movement and ignoring the Church for oh I don’t know how long, over 1900 yeras maybe? Nope, He gave us one better, they only speak in tongues. We get to pray in tongues, on a personal as well as a congregational level.

So let me see, we can now pray in a language that God understands, but we don’t and nobody else does either. Sounds like a great idea.

How come we never thought of it before???

 

[MrS]

palmas85:

How come we never thought of it before???

You probably did… but in a language you could not understand. Now your eyes are opened, so to speak:whacky:

 

[Michael_Welter]

I was baptised in the Holy Spirit on June 4th, 1972, and received the gift of tongues shortly after that. It has been an important part of my prayer life ever since. Yes, Paul says that it is the least of the gifts, but even the least of God’s gifts is greater than the greatest of man’s gifts.

If you have not received the gift of tongues, and don’t wish to, that’s fine. But please don’t critisize those who have. It is a personal gift of prayer because the languages of men are no match for the glory of God. So the Holy Spirit has goven me a gift of being able to prayer in a heavenly tongue. Unless it is at a charismatic Mass, it should be done quietly so as not to disrupt the celebration of the Eucharist.

 

[MrS]

Michael Welter:

I was baptised in the Holy Spirit on June 4th, 1972, and received the gift of tongues shortly after that. It has been an important part of my prayer life ever since. Yes, Paul says that it is the least of the gifts, but even the least of God’s gifts is greater than the greatest of man’s gifts.

If you have not received the gift of tongues, and don’t wish to, that’s fine. But please don’t critisize those who have. It is a personal gift of prayer because the languages of men are no match for the glory of God. So the Holy Spirit has goven me a gift of being able to prayer in a heavenly tongue. Unless it is at a charismatic Mass, it should be done quietly so as not to disrupt the celebration of the Eucharist.

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I don’t think the critisizism is of those who feel they have a gift. It is the understanding of the history of tongues, and the appearance that it does not match up to what people claim they have today. You say heavenly tongue… and if you find some comfort in that, so be it. For me, I feel my gift is not having tongues, so I can pray, (talk to God) or meditate (God talks to me). I don’t require a new language to do this, and for that I am grateful.

 

[gusano]

silverwings_88:

I pray in tongues, yes, but I do so as to not distract those around me. Sometimes, during the consecration, I feel so spiritually emotional, that normal language cannot escape my breath in expressing the mystery of the Eucharistic Sacrifice.

Thank you silverwings,
That is it exactly !
It would have taken me 7000 words to say something close…maybe.

ALLELUIA !
ALLELUIA !

**ALLELUIA ! **

gusano

 

[palmas85]

MrS:

You probably did… but in a language you could not understand. Now your eyes are opened, so to speak:whacky:

Actually my eyes have been open quite awhile. And when I hear someone speaking in tongues on demand, as quite a few do, not only are my eyes open but my mouth too in gales of laughter,.

It isn’t funny as much as sad, that people need so deeply to believe in this personal one on on contact with the Holy Spirit to add value to their prayer life.

Sorry.

 

[JOHNYJ]

When the Apostles spoke in Tongues,people understood them ! Babble is what it is today !
God has never needed a special language !

 

[Dr.Bombay]

I would encourage all Catholic Charismastics to not limit themselves to just speaking in tongues. The Holy Spirit has many gifts to give you…if you will just open yourselves to them.

Start by handling venomous snakes and drinking poison. Very biblical, very Spirit filled actions.

I’m waiting…

 

[robertaf]

Dr. Bombay:

I would encourage all Catholic Charismastics to not limit themselves to just speaking in tongues. The Holy Spirit has many gifts to give you…if you will just open yourselves to them.

Start by handling venomous snakes and drinking poison. Very biblical, very Spirit filled actions.

I’m waiting…

As usual, Dr Bombay, you are in fine humor.

We Catholics do not pluck out our eyes or chop of hands, either. In fact, nowhere in scripture or in historical writings have I seen where the Apostles or any of the followers of Jesus did that or indeed, neither did they drink poison or handle venomous snakes. This leads me to believe it was some figure of speach used back then “we use terms like RAINING CATS AND DOGS”.
However, Scripture and tradition does mention, often, that the Apostles and Jesus followers did speak and pray in tongues, did prophesy, did heal the sick, etc.

I know you were just joking, but thought it might be good to point this out for those folks who do not realize how funny you can be.

 

[Michael_Welter]

JOHNYJ:

When the Apostles spoke in Tongues,people understood them ! Babble is what it is today !
God has never needed a special language !

God never needed people either, but He created us none the less. In fact, God is in need of nothing.

When the Holy Spirit came upon the Apostles, some people heard them in their own native languages, while others accused them of being drunk. If some I knew, who only could speak english, suddenly started speaking fluent russian, I would never even think to accuse them of being drunk. It seems to me that there was more going on in that upper room than we know or understand.

 

[gusano]

palmas85:

Actually my eyes have been open quite awhile. And when I hear someone speaking in tongues on demand, as quite a few do, not only are my eyes open but my mouth too in gales of laughter,.

It isn’t funny as much as sad, that
people need so deeply to believe in this personal one on on contact with the Holy Spirit to add value to their prayer life.

Sorry.

Hi palmas85,
Are you suggesting that one can have one can have Life eternal …
…from which a prayer life flows,
**without **"one-on-one contact with The Holy Spirit ?

Romans 8:
** 7…“The flesh in it’s tendency is at enmity with God; it is not subject to God’s law.
Indeed, it cannot be;
8…those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9…But you are not in the flesh; you are in the spirit, since The Spirit of God dwells in you.
If anyone does not have The Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.”**

John 15: 6
A man who does not live in me
is like a withered, rejected branch, picked up to be thrown into the fire and burnt."

With a mindset like this
(A)…a man would have to be be living without the Spirit of Christ.
or
(B)…If The Spirit is in you (from some previous invitation), then it would have to be a mindset based on
"Stifling, or resisting, suppressing The Holy Spirit."
(1 Thess. 5: 19 )

God Bless,

gusano

 

[gusano]

I would encourage
all Catholic Charismastics to not limit themselves to just speaking in tongues. The Holy Spirit has many gifts to give you…if you will just open yourselves to them.

Start by handling venomous snakes and drinking poison. Very biblical, very Spirit filled actions.

I’m waiting…

Thanks for the “encouragement” Dr. Bombay…
But we Catholic Charismatics prefer to to seek our encouragement and Prompting from The Holy Spirit.

…but if you are a qualified minister of the New Covenant, I would gladly follow your advice.

By the way…What other Gifts has He given you ?
I can see you already have
(1)…The Gift of waiting,
(2)…The Gift of Whistling !


your servant,

gusano

 

[MrS]

gusano:

Thanks for the “encouragement” Dr. Bombay…
But we Catholic Charismatics prefer to to seek our encouragement and Prompting from The Holy Spirit.

…but if you are a qualified minister of the New Covenant, I would gladly follow your advice.

By the way…What other Gifts has He given you ?
I can see you already have
(1)…The Gift of waiting,
(2)…The Gift of Whistling !


your servant,

gusano

Judging from his post… I think perception is one…, humor could be a half, and wit the other half ( ), … perhaps fortitude, piety, wisdom are to be included too. But then, those would be among a different list of the “Gifts of the Holy Spirit”. I will continue to look for a list of “other gifts He has given…” that include tongues.

 

[ICXCNIKA]

Dr. Bombay:

I would encourage all Catholic Charismastics to not limit themselves to just speaking in tongues. The Holy Spirit has many gifts to give you…if you will just open yourselves to them.

Start by handling venomous snakes and drinking poison. Very biblical, very Spirit filled actions.

I’m waiting…

Although I have not been to a Charismatic Mass or Charismatic Catholic Bible study, I know a few Charismatic Catholics who do more than speak in tongues. In fact, I’ve never heard them speak in tongues. But I have seen other gifts, most especially holiness working in their lives. My wife speaks in tongues, although I’ve never heard her, and she is a living saint.

 

[Walking_Home]

Mr. Gusano,

You have learned well from the catechists. Any Catholic (well growned in their faith) that does not agree with you becomes the enemy of God.
You have been a good student.

 

[MrS]

Walking_Home:

Mr. Gusano,

You have learned well from the catechists. Any Catholic (well growned in their faith) that does not agree with you becomes the enemy of God.
You have been a good student.

Simply put, I don’t think you will find too many Catholics here who will agree with you…
Perhaps the greatest catechist of the last century Fr John Hardon, would not agree with you either.

… the enemy of God, huh ???

 

[Walking_Home]

MrS,

I was referring to Mr. Gusanos post #92. He has made it known in other threads that he belongs to the Neocatechumenal Way. These were the NCW catechists, I was referring to.

One of the ploys the “Way” uses is to use scripture against those who dissaggree with them. To make them look as if they are against God. Reread post # 92.

 

[palmas85]

gusano:

Hi palmas85,
Are you suggesting that one can have one can have Life eternal …
…from which a prayer life flows,
**without **"one-on-one contact with The Holy Spirit ?

Romans 8:
** 7…“The flesh in it’s tendency is at enmity with God; it is not subject to God’s law.
Indeed, it cannot be;
8…those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9…But you are not in the flesh; you are in the spirit, since The Spirit of God dwells in you.**
If anyone does not have The Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.”

John 15: 6
A man who does not live in me
is like a withered, rejected branch, picked up to be thrown into the fire and burnt."

With a mindset like this
(A)…a man would have to be be living without the Spirit of Christ.
or
(B)…If The Spirit is in you (from some previous invitation), then it would have to be a mindset based on
"Stifling, or resisting, suppressing The Holy Spirit."
(1 Thess. 5: 19 )

God Bless,

gusano

Not at all. I suggest that through your movement you do not experience Him in the way you think you do. Also what I suggest is that the entire Charismatic movement is basically:

1 Anti Catholic and anti Catholic beliefs
2 Pro Protestant, even though they themselves may not realize that they are.
3 falling into a belief that an emotional state is necessary to get close to God.That particular belief is an fact a Heresy if I’m not mistaken…

And I will repeat the questions that none of you has ever answered

If the Catholic Church is the true Church, why were we denied this “gift” for so long and why did the Protestant Churches get it first?

While undoubtedly true that the Spirit did descend on Pentecost, he did not descend on all the followers of Christ did he? No, as I recall only certain ones. Then throughout history when such a grace would have been much more important and beneficial to humanity than now, he did not In fact he did not descend again until around 1900 or so when certain Protestant Sects were allegedly visited. We, the True Church, were ignored until around 1970 or so.

Protestants need and have always needed these type of things to give a sense of validity and tuth to their weak and imprecise messages.

.WE, IN THE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH HAVE THE TRUE FAITH AND DON’T NEED THE GIMMICKS

Just as an aside, the constant quoting of Biblical references, as you have done, is another old Protestant ploy. Pick the reference that best supports your belief, and use, or rather" twist" that quote so it becomes the basis for the validity of your arguments and your position. They are actually very good at this sort of thing. Entire Protestant churches have been founded on such interpretations, such as the Jehovahs Witnesses, the Adventists and of course our good friends the Mormons, who actually went one better and had an entire new Bible revealed to them by the power of the Holy Spirit…

Sola Scriptura at it’s best

 

[palmas85]

gusano:

Thanks for the “encouragement” Dr. Bombay…
But we Catholic Charismatics prefer to to seek our encouragement and Prompting from The Holy Spirit.

…but if you are a qualified minister of the New Covenant, I would gladly follow your advice.

your servant,

gusano

What in the world is a “qualified minister of the new covenant” ?

I never heard of that one before.

Maybe a new revelation on the sacrament of Holy Orders ?