"Praying in Tongues"...is it O.K. during Mass ?

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I also hope that I NEVER see this in a Catholic Church.

I’ve experienced being in a room with people talking in tongues and nobody knows what they are saying. It’s an “out of this world” language.

Whenever anyone spoke in a different language in the Bible it was so people could understand them. In other words, the person speaking didn’t understand the language he was speaking, but the people listening did understand. It was a gift of the Holy Spirit so that the Apostles could go to others and tell them about Jesus.

Whenever Angels appeared to people, they spoke the language of the person they appeared to.
 
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Annunciata:
I have it. I use it quietly after receiving Communion.
What language do you speak?
 
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Annunciata:
Only God knows…
Haven’t you ever wanted to find out?
I sure would if I was given this gift!

I would know that I was being given a mission to minister to those who speak that language.
Would you like to know who God is leading you to?
 
netmil(name removed by moderator):
I thought that speaking in tongues meant that someone, somewhere could understand it. Not speaking in gibberish but, for example, if the person next to me started speaking in Aramaic, I would know the Holy Spirit is upon them. (not like I understand Aramaic but I think I would know the sound, thanks Mr. Gibson)
My personal view of the gift of speaking in foreign tongues is that it meant that a person would be speaking in a language other than his own so if I only spoke English but get the gift of tongues it would mean I could speak, for example, French or Spanish etc (so I would be understood by people from France or Spain), but certainly not the gibberish that charismatics call tongues. Is that what you also mean or did I read you wrong. Many priests are also highly sceptical.

Also whether this gibberish really is the gift of an unknown language (which I doubt) or is simply gibberish, in either case it should never be allowed during a Mass.
 
netmil(name removed by moderator):
Haven’t you ever wanted to find out?
I sure would if I was given this gift!

I would know that I was being given a mission to minister to those who speak that language.
Would you like to know who God is leading you to?
Undue Curiosity has burned me in the past…I trust in Him…if He wants me to know…He’ll tell me…
 
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Annunciata:
Undue Curiosity has burned me in the past…I trust in Him…if He wants me to know…He’ll tell me…
How has undue curiosity burned you? I’m not sure I understand.
Undue from posters or has questioning your gift caused you pain.

I must explain that I have a SIL who speaks in tongues. I will be honest, I have never understood it but do not condemn her for doing it. How can I? I don’t have it. But she is planning to leave her life and go to the missions. I was just wondering if she has found where she is suppose to be or if she is being led by her own mind, not Our Lord. Honestly, the question is not concerning her intentions but rather the timing. She has teenage children she is planning to take with her. They do not want to go. I think that if I can get the answer to where she is being led, it could delay until the children themselves feel a mission is upon them.

Because you keep this gift to yourself, it seems that you would be the person to ask.
 
netmil(name removed by moderator):
How has undue curiosity burned you? I’m not sure I understand.
Undue from posters or has questioning your gift caused you pain.

I must explain that I have a SIL who speaks in tongues. I will be honest, I have never understood it but do not condemn her for doing it. How can I? I don’t have it. But she is planning to leave her life and go to the missions. I was just wondering if she has found where she is suppose to be or if she is being led by her own mind, not Our Lord. Honestly, the question is not concerning her intentions but rather the timing. She has teenage children she is planning to take with her. They do not want to go. I think that if I can get the answer to where she is being led, it could delay until the children themselves feel a mission is upon them.

Because you keep this gift to yourself, it seems that you would be the person to ask.
I would get your SIL into counseling ASAP!
 
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Annunciata:
I would get your SIL into counseling ASAP!
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I understand where you are coming from!
At least, her children need some support. They are half black so my SIL feels that they should be thrilled to go to Africa. They are not.

We are a step away from volunteering to take them while she goes. My hubby is hoping to convince her to wait until the younger one is 18. (only 5 years) It’s not looking good. I really am kind of looking for a straw to grasp for my nieces.
 
It’s been interesting reading through this thread because I can identify with everyone. A couple of years ago I attended a “Life In The Spirit” seminar at my church. One of the topics that they talked about was praying in tongues. I thought that this was crazy and the last thing that I wanted to do. But I listened and when I was alone in my prayer time, I gave it a try. Eventually, some words came to me. I didn’t tell anyone and wasn’t sure if it was “my prayer language” or gibberish. A couple of months later, someone happen to give me a tape about praying in tongues, the speaker talked about how they found out that their prayer was actually latin. So I was curious and found a site that translates Latin to English on the internet. And it turned out that the words that I was praying where actually Latin, something that I don’t know anything about. My prayer roughly translated came out to be “New wine. One thousand precious things will be made available to you”. I was in shock. But after my discovery, I kind of wished that I had the faith to believe without this knowledge. But I do feel that it was a lesson to me, to trust, to be humble, and to seek without inhabitions. When I pray in tongues, it brings me closer to God. In our prayer group, we sometimes pray in tougues over someone in need. It is very powerful. Should it be prayed during Mass, I would say no, to yourself definately. Praying out loud during Mass would draw attention to yourself when the attention should be to the body of Christ.
 
First off, I would say, no it is not okay {though I am not in a position to enforce it} to pray in tongues at Mass… at least not out loud…to yourself perhaps yes… as long as it doesn’t scandalise anyone around you.

Secondly… it is rather funny that this is brought up… My ladyfriend was has lived her whole life as a Protestant, she has decided to convert to Catholicism since she started going to Mass with me She is from a church where people frequently spoke in tongues…as well as performed other feats of the holy spirit such as prophesying, healing etc… etc., one of the things she is a little sad and trepidatious about is that there is no talk of tongues {no pun intended 🙂 } in the church, so far as she has seen… and to be honest I don’t know what to tell her…she likes to pray quietly to herself in tongues and hopes that it’s okay for a Catholic to do…what’s the Church’s teaching on the subject?
 
originally posted by thistle
My personal view of the gift of speaking in foreign tongues is that it meant that a person would be speaking in a language other than his own so if I only spoke English but get the gift of tongues it would mean I could speak, for example, French or Spanish etc (so I would be understood by people from France or Spain), but certainly not the gibberish that charismatics call tongues.
Exactly. What is the point of speaking a language that no one can understand?
The apostles were given this particular gift so that they were able to bring the good news of Christ to foreign lands. It was not a personal language between them and God.
 
THE NATURE OF TONGUES

By James Akin
This Rock, Volume 9, Number 4, April 1998

Ever since 1906 Azusa Street Revival in Los Angeles, from which the current Pentecostal and charismatic movements flow, speaking in tongues has been the subject of controversy. Some of the confusion concerns the nature of the gift. One idea is that tongues is a mode of utterance that can be understood by anyone regardless of his native language. Another is that tongues are a “private prayer language” that is uniquely created by the Holy Spirit for each tongues-speaker.
Neither idea is correct, and both stem from a failure to appreciate what the word “tongues” means. Contemporary English speakers often look on the term as if it were mysterious and hard to understand. It’s not. When discussing speech, “tongues” has a simple and established meaning. It just means “languages.” Obviously, the word tongue can refer to the physical organ in our mouths. This organ is part of human anatomy, and every language has a word for it. But because of the association the tongue has with our power of speech, the tongue is invariably used as a metaphor for the manner of speech. Thus in almost every language the word for tongue is the same as the word for language. We speak of “the Spanish tongue,” “the French tongue,” and so forth. Over time, this usage became less common in English, and the word “language” has become dominant. That is why the term “tongues” can sound mysterious. We don’t use it to refer to languages most of the time anymore. Today, for English speakers, “tongue” more often will bring to mind the physical organ rather than the idea of a language.

Confusion is also caused by the fact that English Bibles switch back and forth between “tongue” and “language,” even though they are translating the single Greek word glossa. It would be clearer if they were consistent in using the term “language,” allowing us to talk about the gift of languages and to read in our Bibles of the apostles and the early Christians speaking in languages. By keeping in mind that this is what Scripture means, we more easily can understand what “tongues” is. **It is an supernatural endowment by which one is able to speak in another language. ** One may not understand what one is saying (Paul suggests that people should pray to be able to interpret what is said in tongues; 1 Cor. 14:13-14). The content of one’s speech is determined by the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:4), so one’s own understanding is not essential, as it is in normal speech. This corrects the first misunderstanding of the gift: If tongues could be understood by all listeners, no matter what language they spoke, then Paul would not exhort people to pray for the gift of interpretation.

The second misunderstanding of the gift-that tongues is a spontaneous, Spirit-created “private prayer language”-is rebuffed by the text of Scripture. As the multinational crowd gathered on the day of Pentecost showed, the languages in which the apostles spoke were real human languages that could be understood by anyone who spoke them (Acts 2:11). This has prompted some Pentecostals and charismatics to assert that the gift of tongues in Acts is different from the gift of tongues mentioned by Paul, but there is no basis for that. The claim would appear to be rooted in many Pentecostals’ and charismatics’ awareness that what they are speaking in is not a real language (not to say that the gift of tongues doesn’t occur; it does, just not as frequently as some claim). Paul nowhere hints that the phenomenon he refers to as “speaking in languages” (Greek, glossais lalon, from which we get “glossalalia”) is different from the phenomenon his companion Luke referred to by the same name when writing Acts.

Paul speculates that a person might be given the superlative gift of speaking a language used by angels (1 Cor. 13:1). But, in context, it is not clear that Paul thinks it a real possibility. He posits it as the greatest imaginable kind of tongues, parallel to knowing all mysteries and knowledge (the greatest imaginable extent of prophecy, 13:2a), having faith that can move mountains (the greatest imaginable gift of faith, 13:2b), and giving away all one’s possessions and delivering one’s body to be burned (the greatest imaginable expression of selflessness, 13:3). Paul isn’t saying that speaking in angelic languages occurs (or even that angels have languages). He is using Middle Eastern hyperbole to say, “Even if I could speak in the tongues of angels, that would not profit me if I did not have love.”

He portrays speaking in languages of angels as something that would be extreme and rare, if it occurs at all. That means tongues normally will be ordinary human languages. They certainly would not be unique, divinely-invented languages for the believer and God alone-something that would be even more special than angelic languages.
 
When I was in high school I was Pentecostal.

Pentecostals take what they call speaking in tongues, read about speaking in tongues in the Bible and think it is the same.

When the Bible says “speaking in tongues” it simply means speaking in another language. On the day of Pentecost those who were visitors from other countries heard the Apostles speaking in their own languages. Later in his letter to the Corinthians, Paul writes about having interpreters for those who speak in tongues.

My experience was that people, in the Pentecostal Church, simply babbled incoherent words during praise and worship. The words were never interpreted by them or anyone else and no one knew what they were saying. On those rare occassions when someone did “interpret” what another was saying in tongues, there was no way to tell if the interpretation was correct. The Pentecostal response would be “if the interpretation is in line with the Bible, then it is of God.” However, how can we be sure that one person’s interpretation of the Bible is correct?

One other thing about the “gifts of the Spirit” as experienced among Pentecostals and Charismatics; from my experience it was all very self centered. Little of it glorified God and much of it made me feel good for a time.

What one sees today among Charismatics and Pentecostals does not seem to reflect early Church practice.
 
netmil(name removed by moderator):
I thought that speaking in tongues meant that someone, somewhere could understand it. Not speaking in gibberish but, for example, if the person next to me started speaking in Aramaic, I would know the Holy Spirit is upon them. (not like I understand Aramaic but I think I would know the sound, thanks Mr. Gibson)
I have a baptist friend who saw this at his church one day. This (midwestern, never been out of the U.S.) guy started speaking in tongues. There was a visitor from Africa who said that he was speaking an African language and could understand him. My friend isn’t the kind of person to make this sort of thing up, either.

Personally, I would be really creeped out by anyone speaking in tongues.
 
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aurora77:
I have a baptist friend who saw this at his church one day. This (midwestern, never been out of the U.S.) guy started speaking in tongues. There was a visitor from Africa who said that he was speaking an African language and could understand him. My friend isn’t the kind of person to make this sort of thing up, either.

Personally, I would be really creeped out by anyone speaking in tongues.
Well there you go.
I have to admit that my first emotion would be creeped out, then I would be in awe!
 
I’ve never seen praying in tongues at a mass or any sort of Charismatic mass.

When do they pray in tongues, does the priest speak in tongues during the reading of the gospel or eucharistic prayer during one of these masses, and is this really considered copasetic in that context?
 
netmil(name removed by moderator):
Well there you go.
I have to admit that my first emotion would be creeped out, then I would be in awe!
I agree. I’ve never in my life seen such a thing, so it would be scary/wierd, but amazing!
 
I’ve heard it during Mass, but it was at a charismatic Mass, and everyone prayed in tongues at the same time. It wasn’t like one person started doing it in the middle of Mass. It was quite an interesting experience to say the least. Not something that I would necessarily want to go to every Sunday, but I’m glad I got the experience. It was quite different.
 
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