Praying Rosary During Mass?

[bear06]

I heard it from an unimpeachable source.

And we’re just asking what it is. What’s all of the secrecy? I’d assume that Pope Pius XII wouldn’t want to keep it a secret if he did it and if he did want it kept a secret, why are we hearing about it? Moreover, why would he keep it a secret? It’s highly doubtful that this would be a big secret.

I said this the last time someone (may have been you) posted this. If you are going to say that a pope did something you should be able to back it up. Maybe he did do it. Maybe he didn’t. What’s the proof.? It’s such a simple question.

 

[AlexV]

Maybe because this isn’t a big deal in the great scheme of things.

Some people…praying the Rosary during the Holy Sacrifice…may be participating in that Mass far more intensely and, yes, actually (the Latin actuosa, not activa, as often mistranslated), than someone mouthing the banal responses of an ICEL missalette.

That’s why it’s such a silly waste of time to be condemning a practice that can’t be given a blanket negative judgment.

I’m very suspicious of attempts to start telling people what is and what isn’t proper “participation” in the Mass.

It smacks of that utopian, fantasy world so many liturgists dream of, where everyone does what they’re supposed to do, when they’re supposed to do it, and the way the early Church would have done it…

 

[vince2paul]

I’m very suspicious of attempts to start telling people what is and what isn’t proper “participation” in the Mass.

A priest once said that nowadays there are people who are more concerned of whether they do it right (kneel, stand, sit, etc) that they lose the importance of mass.

 

[prv]

Maybe because this isn’t a big deal in the great scheme of things.

Some people…praying the Rosary during the Holy Sacrifice…may be participating in that Mass far more intensely and, yes, actually (the Latin actuosa, not activa, as often mistranslated), than someone mouthing the banal responses of an ICEL missalette.

That’s why it’s such a silly waste of time to be condemning a practice that can’t be given a blanket negative judgment.

I’m very suspicious of attempts to start telling people what is and what isn’t proper “participation” in the Mass.

It smacks of that utopian, fantasy world so many liturgists dream of, where everyone does what they’re supposed to do, when they’re supposed to do it, and the way the early Church would have done it…

I was going to refrain from making a judgement here, but this “banal” response demands that someone respond here.

Banal responses? So this is how respect is shown to the Eucharist? I have no problem at all believing that some people who pray the Rosary or whatever are better than some people who pray the Mass during its proper celebration, but believing that one who calls it “banal” is in the same category? Isn’t this going down the slide of disobedience to the Church which everybody here claims to be in union with?

To that extent, I must know, why, oh why, can you not pray the Rosary, like the rest of us, during your own time and worship with the rest of the Church during Holy Mass?

WHY is that so hard for anyone to do? Are there any decent answers to this question???

 

[AlexV]

Because it is the HEIGHT of liturgical arrogance to say that someone who isn’t audibly mouthing responses, or who is praying the Rosary, or who is meditating on some text in a Missal, is NOT participating with the rest of you.

It’s the absolute height of arrogance to have that sort of attitude about the liturgy. The implication is the person praying the Rosary during, say, the Canon or the Offertory or the Communion isn’t “worshipping” with the rest of you. That’s arrogance.

Participation has many avenues. I strongly urge worrying more about what you yourself are doing in the liturgy and less about the old lady with her beads, the young man with his breviary or missal, or someone who doesn’t sing or recite the responses.

 

[prv]

There is no arrogance, none of any kind, in participating the way the church has designated.

usccb.org/liturgy/girm/bul1.shtml

Let us suppose that during Mass SOME said the rosary, privately or audibly, SOME read the Missal, SOME said other devotions (privately or audibly), some started…doing other things…and the priest started screeching during the Mass to hold everyone’s attention…or he would dismiss the Mass early b/c nobody is participating in the designated prayers which belong to them to recite. We would have disorderly worship, would we not? How is this any different than the gatherings which St. Paul describes? In fact, St. Paul mentions that worship should be orderly. Reflecting on the Missal, fine, if you are unable to participate with your voice. No, I do not go around looking at what people do during the Mass. As I said before, I have no problem at all believing that some people who do this or that are actually holier than those who participate in the prayers of the day. We should, not however, believe that those who actually recite the designated prayers are any less than those who do other things.

 

[prv]

Let me put it into another perspective. What if somebody started saying their own prayers during a public recitation of the rosary? Or the divine office?

 

[DonProfondo]

Are you allowed to pray during Mass?

The Rosary is a prayer.

Well, here you go.

Ha, ha.

At Mass one is expected to participate in the Mass by praying the Mass. Meditation on the mysteries of Christ is the “soul” of the Rosary. It is not possible to pray the Rosary AND the Mass at the same time.

 

[DonProfondo]

Why can’t people go to Mass 15 minutes early and pray the Rosary BEFORE Mass? That is what I do daily and then I am able to give full and undivided attention to the Mass itself.

You can pray five decades in 15 minutes?

 

[DonProfondo]

It’s the absolute height of arrogance to have that sort of attitude about the liturgy. The implication is the person praying the Rosary during, say, the Canon or the Offertory or the Communion isn’t “worshipping” with the rest of you. That’s arrogance.

Yes, that is the implication, and far be it from me to suggest that it isn’t obvious why someone who is praying the Rosary AND meditating on the mysteries (otherwise, what’s the point?) can also be focused on the consecration.

 

[Holland]

How about during the Homily? I was given advice on this Forum to pray the Rosary during the Homily if the priest happens to be giving one of his “Let’s change the Catholic Church” talks. I will say that it has helped me pay attention to the remainder of the Mass and I don’t end up leaving the church mad at the priest.

 

[prv]

How about during the Homily? I was given advice on this Forum to pray the Rosary during the Homily if the priest happens to be giving one of his “Let’s change the Catholic Church” talks. I will say that it has helped me pay attention to the remainder of the Mass and I don’t end up leaving the church mad at the priest.

I take it these “Let’s change…” are more liberal ideology? I want so badly to say that anything is lawful at that time when he starts to say these things…I really, really want to say that anything can fly when this starts to occur…but I just cannot.

 

[AlexV]

Why is it that some people so rigidly want to regulate every single action of every last member of the liturgical assembly?

Why is it that some people want to start talking about disobedience as soon as someone doesn’t hold their hands at the right distance from their body should they choose to receive Communion in the hand?

Why is it that some people think that it’s possible to judge from exteriors what someone is doing interiorly?

Why is it that Mass needs to be some exercise where you are talked to for an hour by a cast of characters who demand that like jacks in the box you stand, sit, kneel in lockstep and recite responses and sing songs as you are told in a tone and at a vocal range that proves to their satisfaction you’re “participating”?

Why is it that some people really seem to think all of these things are regulated by rubrics and rules and “norms” that are all of equal importance and must be carried out by all who would consider themselves faithful, orthodox, dedicated Catholics?

Sheesh. Study liturgical history. The Church, wisely, has traditionally never become obsessed with every last thing people are doing during Mass.

 

[bear06]

Why is it that some people so rigidly want to regulate every single action of every last member of the liturgical assembly?

Geez. A question was asked and people are answering. If you don’t like it, why read the thread? The fact is that there is no document telling us that we should say the rosary during Mass and one that says it is a mistake.

Why is it that some people want to start talking about disobedience as soon as someone doesn’t hold their hands at the right distance from their body should they choose to receive Communion in the hand?

I missed this thread and, btw, you are the only one who has brought up disobedient. Not even the Pope said that in Marialis Cultus.

Why is it that some people think that it’s possible to judge from exteriors what someone is doing interiorly?

This is a simple matter of practicallity. You cannot be focused on one thing when focused on another.

Why is it that Mass needs to be some exercise where you are talked to for an hour by a cast of characters who demand that like jacks in the box you stand, sit, kneel in lockstep and recite responses and sing songs as you are told in a tone and at a vocal range that proves to their satisfaction you’re “participating”?

I think it funny that some complain that people go to Mass with a cavelier attitude but when people actually want people to pay attention to the Mass, the prayers of the Mass, the homily, etc., some get upset.

Why is it that some people really seem to think all of these things are regulated by rubrics and rules and “norms” that are all of equal importance and must be carried out by all who would consider themselves faithful, orthodox, dedicated Catholics?

I missed someone saying that too. People have said that it’s best to give one’s full attention to the Mass. I’m sorry but I think that should be carried out by all Catholics.

Sheesh. Study liturgical history. The Church, wisely, has traditionally never become obsessed with every last thing people are doing during Mass.

And yet, she has said that

Not many years ago some people began to express the desire to see the Rosary included among the rites of the liturgy, while other people, anxious to avoid repetition of former pastoral mistakes, unjustifiably disregarded the Rosary. Today the problem can easily be solved in the light of the principles of the Constitution Sacrosanctum concilium. Liturgical celebrations and the pious practice of the Rosary must be neither set in opposition to one another nor considered as being identical.[114] The more an expression of prayer preserves its own true nature and individual characteristics the more fruitful it becomes. Once the pre-eminent value of liturgical rites has been reaffirmed it will not be difficult to appreciate the fact that the Rosary is a practice of piety which easily harmonizes with the liturgy. In fact, like the liturgy, it is of a community nature, draws its inspiration from Sacred Scripture and is oriented towards the mystery of Christ. The commemoration in the liturgy and the contemplative remembrance proper to the Rosary, although existing on essentially different planes of reality, have as their object the same salvific events wrought by Christ. The former presents anew, under the veil of signs and operative in a hidden way, the great mysteries of our Redemption. The latter, by means of devout contemplation, recalls these same mysteries to the mind of the person praying and stimulates the will to draw from them the norms of living. Once this substantial difference has been established, it is not difficult to understand that the Rosary is an exercise of piety that draws its motivating force from the liturgy and leads naturally back to it, if practiced in conformity with its original inspiration. It does not, however, become part of the liturgy. In fact, meditation on the mysteries of the Rosary, by familiarizing the hearts and minds of the faithful with the mysteries of Christ, can be an **excellent preparation **for the celebration of those same mysteries in the liturgical action and can also become a continuing echo thereof. However, it is a mistake to recite the Rosary during the celebration of the liturgy, though unfortunately this practice still persists here and there.

papalencyclicals.net/Paul06/p6marial.htm

 

[AlexV]

Catholic life is about more than quoting documents.

Some people on these fora seem to think Catholic life largely comes down to checking what a pope said in a document for all sorts of scenarios.

Marialis Cultus calls it “a mistake” to pray the Rosary during Mass.

Bugnini complains in his book that “a majority” of prelates at Vatican II prayed their Breviaries during the daily Mass of the Holy Ghost.

(Incidentally, Marialis Cultus was presented to Bugnini as a “token of respect and gratitude” according to Bugnini’s account of its presentation).

Paul VI is entitled to his opinion. Others might disagree. Paul’s opinion on the status of rosary-praying during Mass isn’t infallible. There are bigger fish to fry in Catholic life.

 

[bear06]

Paul VI is entitled to his opinion. Others might disagree. Paul’s opinion on the status of rosary-praying during Mass isn’t infallible. There are bigger fish to fry in Catholic life.

It’s amazing. I hear the exact same thing from the liberals.

 

[AlexV]

That’s right.

Many prelates at Vatican II, countless old ladies on their knees in churches worldwide, all are wrong…forget the “sensus fidelium”…and they were suddenly declared wrong in 1974. Before that, they were okay, because no document explicitly noted their mistake and infraction. But at whatever moment that document was signed in 1974, if you did it and knew about that magic piece of paper, you were disobedient, a liberal, a cafeteria Catholic, possibly a schismatic, etc., etc…

This is incredibly unCatholic.

 

[prv]

Catholic life is about more than quoting documents.

Some people on these fora seem to think Catholic life largely comes down to checking what a pope said in a document for all sorts of scenarios.

Marialis Cultus calls it “a mistake” to pray the Rosary during Mass.

Bugnini complains in his book that “a majority” of prelates at Vatican II prayed their Breviaries during the daily Mass of the Holy Ghost.

(Incidentally, Marialis Cultus was presented to Bugnini as a “token of respect and gratitude” according to Bugnini’s account of its presentation).

Paul VI is entitled to his opinion. Others might disagree. Paul’s opinion on the status of rosary-praying during Mass isn’t infallible. There are bigger fish to fry in Catholic life.

Agreed, Catholic life is more than quoting documents. I have my prayer life, you have yours, etc.

 

[Dr.Bombay]

And we’re just asking what it is. What’s all of the secrecy? I’d assume that Pope Pius XII wouldn’t want to keep it a secret if he did it and if he did want it kept a secret, why are we hearing about it? Moreover, why would he keep it a secret? It’s highly doubtful that this would be a big secret.

I said this the last time someone (may have been you) posted this. If you are going to say that a pope did something you should be able to back it up. Maybe he did do it. Maybe he didn’t. What’s the proof.? It’s such a simple question.

Sorry. I don’t produce proof at your command. It may shock you to discover that not every piece of information in the world is available by clicking a link. Especially the dubious ones you regularly produce.

The internet is merely a more efficient way to spread lies, slander and gossip. It’s utility as an actual source of information is extremely limited.

 

[Fitz]

I pray the rosary everywhere. I drive and pray the rosary. I pray the rosary during the wait for mass, and I finish it in between some parts of the mass. I hold my rosary during mass, but don’t actually say prayers during the reading of the gospels or when the priest is talking. I am sure God understands what I am doing. It is not so much the multitasking, but the feeling of being close to Christ and His mother during mass that I like. I am sorry I am bothering some of you. At least I am not talking during mass like some people that sit near me at times!