PreCana

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Dicerning said:
Ok fair enough. The normal minister for the sacrament of Confirmation is the bishop. The ministers for Matirimony are the coulple themselves with the priest or deacon as a witness.

Based on what you say. The permanency of the sacrament is the same for both which is true. However the ramifications to not being fully aware of what is happening can be far more damaging in the sacrament of Matrimony…especially if innocent bystanders (children) are involved. As a deacon I would never willingly materially participate in such an important event if the couple expressed little interest in practicing their faith. Based on the OPs comments and after viewing her link to her personal blog, it would be fair to deduce that she is not interested in being more than a cultural Catholic.
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Ah you are a Deacon, I bow and defer to you. God bless you for dedicating a part of your life to us - the body of Christ. God bless you. I am just an amateur Catholic trying to learn my faith and get the teachings of the Church clear in my head so I may be a true representative of the truth to others. You have done much more work than me in reviewing OP’s ‘trail’. You know when I got married, I had no idea what I marriage in the Church was about, I didn’t understand it at all. I don’t even remember pre-cana, not one thing from it. All I knew about marriage was that when you do it, you do it forever.
So OP, I’m like the reformed smoker trying to pass on what I’ve learned through experience. Have to run, the baby needs her bottle.
 
dragonfly85 said:
Sorry, I didn’t know where else to post this…

Hi, I live in MO, USA, and my husband and I just got married in May '08. We did not attend any PreCana classes when we we’re asked to. We we’re just too busy. Is our marriage legit? I read somewhere that you HAVE to attend, but I thought we we’re okay if we didn’t. Worried, please answer.

Thanks much!
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Look at the amount of Catholic divorces there are. Look at how many annulments are granted. There’s a problem somewhere. I firmly believe it is due to the fact that the Church has been giving people Catholic Church weddings with all the bells and whistles, who had no idea what the Sacrament of Matrimony entailed.

Yes, you can get married without pre-Cana, and you’ll still be validly married. I just don’t think it’s the best plan.

I KNOW in my heart of hearts that my “marriage” would have been called off, had we been to premarital counseling or pre Cana.

Now, if you want to invest in a great program, even if you’re already married, you can check this website out and order their
marriage prep program. I have perused it, and find it to be the best stuff out there.

ascensionpress.com/shop/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=233
It’s never to late to “kick it up a notch” in your marriage.
 
graceandglory said:
Look at the amount of Catholic divorces there are. Look at how many annulments are granted. There’s a problem somewhere. I firmly believe it is due to the fact that the Church has been giving people Catholic Church weddings with all the bells and whistles, who had no idea what the Sacrament of Matrimony entailed.

Yes, you can get married without pre-Cana, and you’ll still be validly married. I just don’t think it’s the best plan.

I KNOW in my heart of hearts that my “marriage” would have been called off, had we been to premarital counseling or pre Cana.

Now, if you want to invest in a great program, even if you’re already married, you can check this website out and order their
marriage prep program. I have perused it, and find it to be the best stuff out there.

ascensionpress.com/shop/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=233
It’s never to late to “kick it up a notch” in your marriage.
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I am testimony - it’s never to late to deepen your marriage. In thinking about where the problem lies and how you mention the Church - I think the Church is us. My parents taught me about the secular elements of marriage but I don’t remember them imparting much about the sacrament of marriage. But what was imparted to them? And would I have ‘heard’ it anyway? My wife and I volunteer at pre-cana at our parish and I look at those couples and think how lucky they are. And I will certainly ‘turn the wheel’ when it comes to my kids because they already and will continue to be taught rightly on sex and marriage - they are 15 and 11 years old. I guess like so many things - it begins at home. But you (the parents) do need the knowledge to start with. You cannot give what you don’t have.
 
I believe our marriage will be fine without it. Ken, I am no Saint Gianna and never will be. I would not risk my life, and my husband would rather me not either. We are adopting.

I believe in birthcontol. Better than having an accident come along, and we don’t want that.
 
dragonfly85 said:
I believe in birthcontol. Better than having an accident come along, and we don’t want that.
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Children are not accidents. You are not an accident.

It is official ROman Catholic teaching that Artificial Birth COntrol is an Grave and intrinsic evil. Anyone who willingly ignores this truth with full knowledge and practices ABC commits mortal sin.

A person who commits mortal sin consigns themselves to Hell forever unless they are confess all know Mortal sins.
 
I was called “out of line” for asking my question whether or not the op would have an abortion if she became pregnant.

Well the op answered me by personal email, but her comments to me must be exposed. Exposed not to hurt her, but to expose this disease in the faith even more.

The op answered yes to my question and even described the unborn child in the womb as a parasite.

Describing the child in the womb as a parasite is not just anti Catholic, it is totally anti human.

God save the humans…the whales come second.

Ken
 
I have found my way thanks to you all! Thank you for showing me that the Catholic Church is not where I belong! 🙂 I am switching religions. Kleary nice try trying to start stuff.

To answer someones question above, Yes I wasn’t an accident cuz my parents were trying for me, they wanted a baby badly. I would have hated to be an accident.
And yes, there are accidents! If a lady who didn’t want a baby got pregnant on accident, they are more likely to neglect the child druing the pregnancy and after birth.(Casey Anthony) Why want that to happen???..
 
I think I pretty much explained myself here, what I think, how I feel, and believe in. Ken, I am not in human, I just see things differently than you. You all have your opinions and I have mine. I know people who strongly agree with me, but I know you all dont.

Stop with the mortal sin stuff and praying for me, cuz I don’t need it/to hear it. I know I am going to heaven, learning from my mistakes in this life, and then being reincarnated into another body.

I will still be catholic even though I don’t want to be because I don’t know how to officially get out of this slavery religion. I have my own mind, and I will not be a slave to those rules. Being forced to have many many children and not use birth control-- I don’t think so. Over population. Thats horrible, absolutely horrible. Anyone who has a lot of children – your’re destroying the earth and the forrests. The many animals and plants that make the world go round and could cure diseases! Wow… I can’t believe it, how my eyes were closed for so long. I’m so thankful to God they are open now. And, I pray for more of you to realize this before it’s too late for us all.
 
Regi said:
We went to an Engaged Encounter prior to our marriage. We felt we did not have time for it and were “forced” into attending, but it was one of the most fulfilling and spiritual events we ever attended.

Even my husband, who is not Catholic, was amazed at how much we received from it and it was a perfect start to our marriage and future together.

I would encourage the OP to try to attend one now - we had a couple in our group who were already married. I am sure now that the wedding is over, they can find more time. (A wedding is a day, a marriage is a lifetime…)

I would also like to state that the OP has a lot more to worry about than if her marriage is valid. Maybe if she spends some time here, she will learn to embrace her Catholic faith and come to love it and live it.

(By the way, what does “Eclectic Catholic” mean?!?!

God’s blessings to you!
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Eclectic Catholic is pretty much the picking and choosing of different religions brought into one. Thats how I’d describe it.
 
kleary said:
I was called “out of line” for asking my question whether or not the op would have an abortion if she became pregnant.

Well the op answered me by personal email, but her comments to me must be exposed. Exposed not to hurt her, but to expose this disease in the faith even more.

The op answered yes to my question and even described the unborn child in the womb as a parasite.

Describing the child in the womb as a parasite is not just anti Catholic, it is totally anti human.

God save the humans…the whales come second.

Ken
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What does OP mean? Is that supposed to be insulting in someway?
 
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