Presidential Election Poll 10-2-2012

[austenbosten]

Romney is just as much of a socialist as Obama.

Oh please, that sounds like something coming from Ed Schultz on MSNBC

Romney just pays lip service to free markets. I’m not going to vote on rhetoric.

Well some lip-service he pays…not once has he pandered to the center or left.

Both support the Fed

So did Reagan…you think Ronald Reagan wasn’t a Conservative!

Both supported the bailouts

Uh huh…mmmhmm…yeah…sure

Both support the stimuli

Uh huh…mmmhmm…yeah…sure

Neither is going to cut military spending

Funny cause military spending has gone down! Defense Spending is 15-19% of the Federal Budget and makes up 3.59-4.51%…paltry.

Neither want to abolish any social welfare program

You want to abolish Social Security and Medicare!? and you call yourself a Catholic?

What’s the difference? Abortion? I can guarantee you that neither is going to do anything about making it illegal. We have to do the job and convince others that it is murder.

Except one is pushing for more abortion and Romney wants less abortion. So your logic is “I don’t care if 10 million more babies die and is paid in full by my taxdollars…if I don’t get what I want…let 'em all die.”

Some logic

 

[Ridgerunner]

If you think Obama can defeat the Catholic Church= NO HE CAN’T. NO ONE CAN. :heaven:

True, because Jesus promised it. But Obama can certainly make things difficult. Just one example. There is a growing order of young sisters whose mission is to help pregnant women decide in favor of life. In doing so, they provide prenatal and postnatal care themselves (many are RNs). They provide housing, food and clothing. And this is in the South Bronx…as bad a neighborhood as they come.

But they have a problem. They are being forced by Obama to forego health insurance on themselves, and are really going to do it. That’s because Obama’s mandate forces them to pay for contraceptive and abortifacient care for themselves…an order of Catholic sisters. They won’t do that, so they can’t have health coverage. The mandate requires it of them because they help women regardless of religion. So, they’ll have to pay the fine because there are more than 50 of them. Do you think Obama cares about that? No, it’s more important to him that he force everyone, including them, to pay for contraceptives, abortifacients and sterilizations.

Here’s their website. Read what they do, and then ask yourself whether you really support a politician who does this to Church institutions. Ask yourself whether you want to be complicit in oppressing them. sistersoflife.org/

 

[austenbosten]

I’m not going to tell you when my birthday is, but it’s less than 6 months after Obama is re-elected. I live in Alabama. You’re saying I won’t be able to buy a handgun?

You wake up. Man.

You remind me of the South Park episode in which the John McCain supporters thought the world would end. You think Obama is capable of stopping gun sales in Alabama?!?!?!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH

If you said that in real life to me, I would laugh in your face for minutes until you stopped talking to me. That is hilarious.

Looking at this post… do you see how people like me could logically ask the question:
Hmm… do you have any reasons to vote FOR Mitt Romney? Bc you don’t seem to care about them at all.

Funny cause I distinctly remember answering those reasons. I guess you have selective reading.

If you think Obama can defeat the Catholic Church= NO HE CAN’T. NO ONE CAN. :heaven:

I’m not saying he will defeat the Church, I’m saying he will continue his persecution on Catholics…so you will put Catholics in danger for you vanity? Pride is a mortal sin my friend.

 

[iloveangels]

True, because Jesus promised it. But Obama can certainly make things difficult. Just one example. There is a growing order of young sisters whose mission is to help pregnant women decide in favor of life. In doing so, they provide prenatal and postnatal care themselves (many are RNs). They provide housing, food and clothing. And this is in the South Bronx…as bad a neighborhood as they come.

But they have a problem. They are being forced by Obama to forego health insurance on themselves, and are really going to do it. That’s because Obama’s mandate forces them to pay for contraceptive and abortifacient care for themselves…an order of Catholic sisters. They won’t do that, so they can’t have health coverage. The mandate requires it of them because they help women regardless of religion. So, they’ll have to pay the fine because there are more than 50 of them. Do you think Obama cares about that? No, it’s more important to him that he force everyone, including them, to pay for contraceptives, abortifacients and sterilizations.

Here’s their website. Read what they do, and then ask yourself whether you really support a politician who does this to Church institutions. Ask yourself whether you want to be complicit in oppressing them. sistersoflife.org/

They’re going to do without health insurance and in addition, each one of them will be fined each year. I have no idea how the HHS will classify the order, but either way, that’s what will happen. That’s called “avoidance.” Dropping health insurance completely.

Hopefully, Obama will be defeated, so that we can get a new HHS Dept Secretary who can take away the mandate. That could happen as soon as January if Romney is elected.

 

[smndtupidisaftr]

Well some lip-service he pays…not once has he pandered to the center or left.

He’s not touching social security or welfare.

So did Reagan…you think Ronald Reagan wasn’t a Conservative!

Something happened between his 1976 campaign and his presidency. He originally ran on the gold standard.

Uh huh…mmmhmm…yeah…sure

Uh huh…mmmhmm…yeah…sure

washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/romney-in-2008-stimulus-not-spending-cuts-is-the-way-to-boost-the-economy/2012/08/15/0dae4c7a-e6e5-11e1-8f62-58260e3940a0_blog.html

Funny cause military spending has gone down! Defense Spending is 15-19% of the Federal Budget and makes up 3.59-4.51%…paltry.

Maybe you want to include the wars there.

You want to abolish Social Security and Medicare!? and you call yourself a Catholic?

Absolutely. Nowhere is it required that I must support the state engaging in these actions. Personal charity is fine, but giving out stolen money is not charity.

Except one is pushing for more abortion and Romney wants less abortion. So your logic is “I don’t care if 10 million more babies die and is paid in full by my taxdollars…if I don’t get what I want…let 'em all die.”

Some logic

And how many more lives will be killed by an invasion of Iran?

 

[Ridgerunner]

I’ll grant you that Romney probably is much better when it comes to abortion. However, I cannot just ignore that he is more likely to initiate an invasion which would kill more than one hundred thousand and displace more than one million (like what happened in Iraq).

Government is not a business. Is Massachusetts in good shape? How did the healthcare bill work out for them?

So then Romney opposed the healthcare bill in his state and tried to defeat it and talks about how it’s failing Massachusetts now, right?

Like I said before, they’re both the same. Both hold the same underlying principles.

Romney doesn’t say it failed in Massachussetts. Where did you get that? What he did say is that it was the right of the people of Massachussetts to adopt such a program if that’s what they wanted, but opposes mandating it for everybody in every state. He vetoed a version that provided abortion coverage, but his veto was overridden.

While he was governor, Mass was in good shape. He turned a deficit into a surplus and reduced taxes at the same time. And he did it with an overwhelmingly Democrat legislature. The man has talent.

Government is, indeed, a business to the extent it shares many of the objectives and methods businesses have, or ought to. They both require management by people who understand management. They both require economies. They both require elimination of waste. They both ought to be able to remain solvent or they will utterly fail. And they ought to deliver goods and services with efficiency.

This government is so terribly managed that if it doesn’t get good management very soon, this country will be like Greece. Why is Germany solvent while Greece isn’t? Because the people in Germany value and demand good management and, because they demand it and are willing to vote for it and support it, while the people in Greece believe the empty promises of empty politicians because they want to believe them.

This country stands at a crossroad of choice. The American voting public can opt to be as solvent as Germany or as broke and chaotic as Greece. It’s that clear.

 

[smndtupidisaftr]

Romney doesn’t say it failed in Massachussetts. Where did you get that? What he did say is that it was the right of the people of Massachussetts to adopt such a program if that’s what they wanted, but opposes mandating it for everybody in every state. He vetoed a version that provided abortion coverage, but his veto was overridden.

I was sarcastic about that. Of course he hasn’t said it’s been a failure even though it has been.

tomwoods.com/blog/did-romneycare-control-health-care-costs/

While he was governor, Mass was in good shape. He turned a deficit into a surplus and reduced taxes at the same time. And he did it with an overwhelmingly Democrat legislature. The man has talent.

And he had the benefit of the housing boom. Just saying.

Government is, indeed, a business to the extent it shares many of the objectives and methods businesses have, or ought to. They both require management by people who understand management. They both require economies. They both require elimination of waste. They both ought to be able to remain solvent or they will utterly fail. And they ought to deliver goods and services with efficiency.

Government is based on taxation is force. Business can use neither.

This government is so terribly managed that if it doesn’t get good management very soon, this country will be like Greece. Why is Germany solvent while Greece isn’t? Because the people in Germany value and demand good management and, because they demand it and are willing to vote for it and support it, while the people in Greece believe the empty promises of empty politicians because they want to believe them.

This country stands at a crossroad of choice. The American voting public can opt to be as solvent as Germany or as broke and chaotic as Greece. It’s that clear.

Neither Romney nor Obama has a path for getting us out of the deficit problem. Not even Paul “call me in 30 years” Ryan has a realistic plan.

 

[Ridgerunner]

And how many more lives will be killed by an invasion of Iran?

You have absolutely no reason to believe Romney will invade Iran. There really is such a thing as political action on the world stage. Right now, the many, many countries that oppose a nuclear Iran are in complete disarray, and precisely because Obama himself is in complete disarray.

As between a man like Romney who can convince a Democrat legislature to reduce taxes and balance the budget, and a man like Obama who throws missiles at a country that did nothing to this country at all, I would much sooner believe Romney can pull off a diplomatic solution than can Obama.

 

[smndtupidisaftr]

You have absolutely no reason to believe Romney will invade Iran. There really is such a thing as political action on the world stage. Right now, the many, many countries that oppose a nuclear Iran are in complete disarray, and precisely because Obama himself is in complete disarray.

As between a man like Romney who can convince a Democrat legislature to reduce taxes and balance the budget, and a man like Obama who throws missiles at a country that did nothing to this country at all, I would much sooner believe Romney can pull off a diplomatic solution than can Obama.

I’ll believe it when Romney criticizes military engagement in Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I was sarcastic about that. Of course he hasn’t said it’s been a failure even though it has been. He has been out of that office a long time. Remember that. He can’t go back and fix it.

And he had the benefit of the housing boom. Just saying. **And Mass schools are the best in the country. **

Government is based on taxation is force. Business can use neither.But both should persuade of the benefit of what they’re doing. Even government owes us that.

Neither Romney nor Obama has a path for getting us out of the deficit problem. Not even Paul “call me in 30 years” Ryan has a realistic plan.

So you’ll support known and obvious chaos because you are skeptical about people who have succeeded at many things in the past, though not all have stayed successes. A curious decision.

 

[smndtupidisaftr]

So you’ll support known and obvious chaos because you are skeptical about people who have succeeded at many things in the past, though not all have stayed successes. A curious decision.

I support neither Obama or Romney. What are you talking about?

 

[Ridgerunner]

I’ll believe it when Romney criticizes military engagement in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Iraq and Afghanistan are very different things. We already snatched defeat from the jaws of victory in Iraq, and Romney had nothing to do with that. Do you want him to announce a withdrawal date from Af/Pak like Obama?

 

[austenbosten]

Ugh if you guys want to stand by your selfish pride and vote for loser 3rd party candidates who have no hope of winning…fine. Let it be on your conscience, I’ll let you take that up with God.

However none of you guys have given any credible reasons not to vote Romney or 3rd party. All you have done is given Paul-Qaeda talking points.

 

[smndtupidisaftr]

Iraq and Afghanistan are very different things. We already snatched defeat from the jaws of victory in Iraq, and Romney had nothing to do with that. Do you want him to announce a withdrawal date from Af/Pak like Obama?

Yes. Enough with the military adventurism and the taking of innocent lives.

 

[smndtupidisaftr]

Ugh if you guys want to stand by your selfish pride and vote for loser 3rd party candidates who have no hope of winning…fine. Let it be on your conscience, I’ll let you take that up with God.

However none of you guys have given any credible reasons not to vote Romney or 3rd party. All you have done is given Paul-Qaeda talking points.

I disagree with your characterization that it is selfish pride. I vote on principle, and since I agree with none on principle, I can vote for none on principle.

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

I disagree with your characterization that it is selfish pride. I vote on principle, and since I agree with none on principle, I can vote for none on principle.

Not perfect, but I’ll take it.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I support neither Obama or Romney. What are you talking about?

To choose against Romney is to choose for Obama. He was not my first choice as Obama’s opponent, nor my second. But I know that to not act effectively against evil is to be complicit in it. And that, I will not do.

I have to go now, friend. Ma Femme has things for me to do. It has been interesting.

 

[austenbosten]

I disagree with your characterization that it is selfish pride. I vote on principle, and since I agree with none on principle, I can vote for none on principle.

You have a chance to prevent more suffering and evil from flourishing, but you will stand by your principals and toss your vote that will have absolutely no effect because of your principals?

I call that selfish pride, but you know everyone is entitled to their opinion.

 

[smndtupidisaftr]

To choose against Romney is to choose for Obama. He was not my first choice as Obama’s opponent, nor my second. But I know that to not act effectively against evil is to be complicit in it. And that, I will not do.

I have to go now, friend. Ma Femme has things for me to do. It has been interesting.

No. To choose against Romney is not to choose Obama. That’s an unfair characterization and you know it. And to say that I’m complicit in evil is just wrong of you. You know I don’t support abortion. You know I don’t support war. So because I don’t like the guy who’s against abortion but for war I’m doing something evil? Give me a break.

I’m out.

 

[smndtupidisaftr]

You have a chance to prevent more suffering and evil from flourishing, but you will stand by your principals and toss your vote that will have absolutely no effect because of your principals?

I call that selfish pride, but you know everyone is entitled to their opinion.

And if I believe that Romney will also encourage more suffering and evil?

This seems like it’s all just a big game to make me feel guilty for not voting Republican. It is nonsense!