Presidential Election Poll 10-2-2012

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So I should vote for something I don’t like because otherwise something I don’t like will win? Logic sounds fishy to me.
You should vote for a candidate that can win. Even if Romney decreases abortions by “just” 1 (it will be vastly more than that, based on the Mexico City Policy alone), that should be enough to get your vote. Every life, every life, is precious.
 
So I should vote for something I don’t like because otherwise something I don’t like will win? Logic sounds fishy to me.
What do you want a pinch on the harm or a limb hacked off…if you think both are the same…well…do I need to explain? :rolleyes:
 
You should vote for a candidate that can win. Even if Romney decreases abortions by “just” 1 (it will be vastly more than that, based on the Mexico City Policy alone), that should be enough to get your vote. Every life, every life, is precious.
Even though I think he’s more likely to kill more innocents in the Middle East?
 
What do you want a pinch on the harm or a limb hacked off…if you think both are the same…well…do I need to explain? :rolleyes:
The comparison is like chopping off an arm or chopping off a leg. Which would you rather have done to you?
 
I’m getting a handgun for my 21st birthday.

So, Roll Tide if there’s a one party system. “I want to kill me some redcoats… or Communists… or w/e” :knight1:
.;)😛

Seriously… I highly doubt that the millions of Republican voters in this country are going to let that happen. The conservatives have way more guns in this country than liberals. The army is made up of far more conservatives than liberals. I think a one party system is less likely than America having a democratic system with more than 2 parties in government… which is a reality in the majority of democracies across the world.
Oh please now you sound like Al Gore…let me tell you something…what makes you think you are gonna have the right to buy a handgun after Obama’s 2nd term…and let’s say you get a Class III license and buy an M60 machine gun…you still think you can take on the US?

May I remind you to Ruby Ridge and Waco…they had guns and they thought they could take on the government like you.

Wake up dude! :rolleyes:
 
So I should vote for something I don’t like because otherwise something I don’t like will win? Logic sounds fishy to me.
It isn’t at all fishy logic. Chemotherapy is extremely unpleasant, but people do it because dying of cancer is worse. I don’t think you would call that logic fishy.
 
It isn’t at all fishy logic. Chemotherapy is extremely unpleasant, but people do it because dying of cancer is worse. I don’t think you would call that logic fishy.
But in that case one is clearly better than the other. I’m not convinced of that in this case.
 
Why do you think he will? What, exactly, do you expect him to do, and what is your evidence for it?
Invade Iran. He has said many times that Obama (drone warfare king) is not aggressive enough towards the Middle East and that Iran cannot be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons.
 
Well if you vote for Virgil Goode and Obama wins a second term you won’t have a 2-party system to kick around anymore, just a pro-Obama one-party system. :rolleyes:
Voting for people who can’t possibly win just because one agrees with them more is nothing but personal vanity.

I truly do expect God to ask me some day what I did to oppose the evils in our society. I do not wish to try to explain to He who knows me better than I know myself that, well, I didn’t because I was angry with those who didn’t agree fully with me, so I just didn’t bother to oppose evil when I could have.

I expect to have a lot of explaining to do. But that one won’t be among them.
 
The comparison is like chopping off an arm or chopping off a leg. Which would you rather have done to you?
Oh please stop with the nonsense. Romney is nothing like Obama.

If you think Obama can’t make things worse…Yes He Can!
If you think Obama can’t create more takers than makers in America…Yes He Can!
If you think Obama can’t seek a third-term after putting every American on the dole…Yes He Can!
If you think Obama can’t bankrupt this nation with his massive spending…Yes He Can!
If you think Obama can’t turn over our rights to the UN…Yes He Can!
If you think Obama can’t enforce abortion and euthanasia…Yes He Can!
If you think Obama can’t attack Catholics and the Church via Presidente Calles…Yes He Can!

I’m not saying you have to Rah Rah for Mitt Romney, I’m not saying you have to give him money…he’s got enough. This isn’t about Mitt Romney, this is about the country. If you want to prevent America from becoming the next Socialist state voting 3rd party is not going to do it.
 
Oh please stop with the nonsense. Romney is nothing like Obama.

If you think Obama can’t make things worse…Yes He Can!
If you think Obama can’t create more takers than makers in America…Yes He Can!
If you think Obama can’t seek a third-term after putting every American on the dole…Yes He Can!
If you think Obama can’t bankrupt this nation with his massive spending…Yes He Can!
If you think Obama can’t turn over our rights to the UN…Yes He Can!
If you think Obama can’t enforce abortion and euthanasia…Yes He Can!
If you think Obama can’t attack Catholics and the Church via Presidente Calles…Yes He Can!

I’m not saying you have to Rah Rah for Mitt Romney, I’m not saying you have to give him money…he’s got enough. This isn’t about Mitt Romney, this is about the country. If you want to prevent America from becoming the next Socialist state voting 3rd party is not going to do it.
Romney is just as much of a socialist as Obama. Romney just pays lip service to free markets. I’m not going to vote on rhetoric.

Both support the Fed
Both supported the bailouts
Both support the stimuli
Neither is going to cut military spending
Neither want to abolish any social welfare program

What’s the difference? Abortion? I can guarantee you that neither is going to do anything about making it illegal. We have to do the job and convince others that it is murder.
 
Yeah, because Obama is a regular Mother Teresa in that respect.
He’s the king of drone warfare. However, when talking exclusively about invading Iran, I think both would do it, I just think that Romney would be more willing to do it based on his rhetoric.
 
Voting for people who can’t possibly win just because one agrees with them more is nothing but personal vanity.
It’s that kind of logic THAT ENSURES THAT PEOPLE CAN’T WIN. I’m so sick of the argument that voting for the person that you like is throwing away your vote. Voting for bad people is wrong.
I truly do expect God to ask me some day what I did to oppose the evils in our society. I do not wish to try to explain to He who knows me better than I know myself that, well, I didn’t because I was angry with those who didn’t agree fully with me, so I just didn’t bother to oppose evil when I could have.
I expect to have a lot of explaining to do. But that one won’t be among them.
In this regard, since we have so little influence anyway (less than 1/1000000 of the total vote), as long as we follow our well-formed conscience I think we should be fine.
 
But in that case one is clearly better than the other. I’m not convinced of that in this case.
Perhaps researching would help. Those things done in the previous administration to oppose abortion are exceedingly well documented in numerous threads on CAF. Those things done in this administration to promote abortion and homosexual “marriage” are equally well documented. Never did Romney actively persecute the Church. The worst he ever did was say the abortion mandate in the Mass. statute (the portion in which his veto was overridden by Democrats in the legislature) really was the law, which it was. Obama has said he would want his daughter to kill his own grandchild if she wanted to, and opposed providing medical care to infants born alive from botched abortions.

How many contrasts do you really need?

On a more secular level, Romney has spent a big part of his lifetime figuring out what things lead to financial success and what leads to failure. Reversing economic failure is precisely what venture capitalism is all about, and Romney was demonstrably good at it, as demanding as that is. Obama’s background was in getting people to force others to pay tribute to his organizations.

I know a lot of business people, and have a business myself. In business, one has to win by presenting the other fellow something good for him. You can’t just order your customer to deal with you. He must perceive that he’s getting something more valuable than he’s giving for it, or there’s no deal. And you can’t get away with it very long unless you really meet that requirement. That’s Romney’s background, and his skill; a very demanding skill that requires attentiveness and understanding of others.

Leftist government is about force, not consent. Who consented to the HHS Mandate? Nobody but Obama. Who consented to Obamacare? A bunch of Democrats who feared for their political lives at the hands of Pelosi and Reid if they didn’t tow the line. Certainly the American public didn’t consent to it. Most opposed it and still do.

Would you rather have a head of state who finds ways to legitimately persuade, or one who is into forcing people to do what they don’t want to do?

Seems pretty clear to me.
 
Oh please now you sound like Al Gore…let me tell you something…what makes you think you are gonna have the right to buy a handgun after Obama’s 2nd term…and let’s say you get a Class III license and buy an M60 machine gun…you still think you can take on the US?

May I remind you to Ruby Ridge and Waco…they had guns and they thought they could take on the government like you.

Wake up dude! :rolleyes:
I’m not going to tell you when my birthday is, but it’s less than 6 months after Obama is re-elected. I live in Alabama. You’re saying I won’t be able to buy a handgun?

You wake up. Man.

You remind me of the South Park episode in which the John McCain supporters thought the world would end. You think Obama is capable of stopping gun sales in Alabama?!?!?!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH

If you said that in real life to me, I would laugh in your face for minutes until you stopped talking to me. That is hilarious.
austenboston:
If you think Obama can’t make things worse…Yes He Can!
If you think Obama can’t create more takers than makers in America…Yes He Can!
If you think Obama can’t seek a third-term after putting every American on the dole…Yes He Can!
If you think Obama can’t bankrupt this nation with his massive spending…Yes He Can!
If you think Obama can’t turn over our rights to the UN…Yes He Can!
If you think Obama can’t enforce abortion and euthanasia…Yes He Can!
If you think Obama can’t attack Catholics and the Church via Presidente Calles…Yes He Can!

I’m not saying you have to Rah Rah for Mitt Romney, I’m not saying you have to give him money…he’s got enough. This isn’t about Mitt Romney, this is about the country. If you want to prevent America from becoming the next Socialist state voting 3rd party is not going to do it.
Looking at this post… do you see how people like me could logically ask the question:
Hmm… do you have any reasons to vote FOR Mitt Romney? Bc you don’t seem to care about them at all.

Are you listening to yourself speak? (no you’re not… bc you’re typing… well are you watching yourself type?)

P.S.
If you think Obama can defeat the Catholic Church= NO HE CAN’T. NO ONE CAN. :heaven:
 
Romney is just as much of a socialist as Obama. Romney just pays lip service to free markets. I’m not going to vote on rhetoric.

Both support the Fed
Both supported the bailouts
Both support the stimuli
Neither is going to cut military spending
Neither want to abolish any social welfare program

What’s the difference? Abortion? I can guarantee you that neither is going to do anything about making it illegal. We have to do the job and convince others that it is murder.
Close to wrong on everything, but not quite.

Obama reappointed Bernanke. Romney says he won’t.
Romney supported TARP 1(b). That’s it.
Romney did not support Obama’s stimulus.
Obama is going to cut military spending. Romney says he won’t.
Obama hasn’t. Romney says he will make every single program justify itself or it’s gone.

Obama certainly won’t do anything but promote abortion, and he has proved it.
Maybe Romney not make abortion illegal, but he might well have the opportunity to make the prolife minority on the Supreme court a majority. He’s certainly a better bet for that, considering that his constituency will never tolerate his doing otherwise.
 
Perhaps researching would help. Those things done in the previous administration to oppose abortion are exceedingly well documented in numerous threads on CAF. Those things done in this administration to promote abortion and homosexual “marriage” are equally well documented. Never did Romney actively persecute the Church. The worst he ever did was say the abortion mandate in the Mass. statute (the portion in which his veto was overridden by Democrats in the legislature) really was the law, which it was. Obama has said he would want his daughter to kill his own grandchild if she wanted to, and opposed providing medical care to infants born alive from botched abortions.

How many contrasts do you really need?
I’ll grant you that Romney probably is much better when it comes to abortion. However, I cannot just ignore that he is more likely to initiate an invasion which would kill more than one hundred thousand and displace more than one million (like what happened in Iraq).
On a more secular level, Romney has spent a big part of his lifetime figuring out what things lead to financial success and what leads to failure. Reversing economic failure is precisely what venture capitalism is all about, and Romney was demonstrably good at it, as demanding as that is. Obama’s background was in getting people to force others to pay tribute to his organizations.
I know a lot of business people, and have a business myself. In business, one has to win by presenting the other fellow something good for him. You can’t just order your customer to deal with you. He must perceive that he’s getting something more valuable than he’s giving for it, or there’s no deal. And you can’t get away with it very long unless you really meet that requirement. That’s Romney’s background, and his skill; a very demanding skill that requires attentiveness and understanding of others.
Government is not a business. Is Massachusetts in good shape? How did the healthcare bill work out for them?
Leftist government is about force, not consent. Who consented to the HHS Mandate? Nobody but Obama. Who consented to Obamacare? A bunch of Democrats who feared for their political lives at the hands of Pelosi and Reid if they didn’t tow the line. Certainly the American public didn’t consent to it. Most opposed it and still do.
Would you rather have a head of state who finds ways to legitimately persuade, or one who is into forcing people to do what they don’t want to do?
Seems pretty clear to me.
So then Romney opposed the healthcare bill in his state and tried to defeat it and talks about how it’s failing Massachusetts now, right? 😉

Like I said before, they’re both the same. Both hold the same underlying principles.
 
Close to wrong on everything, but not quite.

Obama reappointed Bernanke. Romney says he won’t.
That’s no difference. They both support the Fed. The Fed chairman is only one part of the whole institution.
Romney supported TARP 1(b). That’s it.
The only difference is the party that started it, then. Sounds like he’s just in favor of whatever Republicans do.
Romney did not support Obama’s stimulus.
washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/romney-in-2008-stimulus-not-spending-cuts-is-the-way-to-boost-the-economy/2012/08/15/0dae4c7a-e6e5-11e1-8f62-58260e3940a0_blog.html
Obama is going to cut military spending. Romney says he won’t.
Neither is cutting military spending. Obama is keeping it flat, Romney is going to raise it. Military spending is FAR, FAR too high in this country.
Obama hasn’t. Romney says he will make every single program justify itself or it’s gone.
I’ve heard that line before. Believe me, I’m from California. If he has no specifics then nothing will get done. Did he do anything in Massachusetts?
Obama certainly won’t do anything but promote abortion, and he has proved it.
Maybe Romney not make abortion illegal, but he might well have the opportunity to make the prolife minority on the Supreme court a majority. He’s certainly a better bet for that, considering that his constituency will never tolerate his doing otherwise.
1 issue that he’s better at, and war he’s probably worse at to compensate. Everything else is the same.
 
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