Presidential Election Poll 10-2-2012

[austenbosten]

And if I believe that Romney will also encourage more suffering and evil?

This seems like it’s all just a big game to make me feel guilty for not voting Republican. It is nonsense!

Like I said, I’m not asking you to go Rah Rah for Romney, or give him money or volunteer; I’m not even asking you to become a Republican or even support Romney after the election. I’m simply saying join me in putting Obama out of office. However you won’t so there’s no point going further.

 

[smndtupidisaftr]

Like I said, I’m not asking you to go Rah Rah for Romney, or give him money or volunteer; I’m not even asking you to become a Republican or even support Romney after the election. I’m simply saying join me in putting Obama out of office. However you won’t so there’s no point going further.

The replacement matters. He supports more war and says nothing about the erosion of our savings (theft) through inflation from the Fed. To me, that’s awful, and I can’t vote for a guy who supports war and inflation.

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

The replacement matters. He supports more war and says nothing about the erosion of our savings (theft) through inflation from the Fed. To me, that’s awful, and I can’t vote for a guy who supports war and inflation.

He is replacing Bernanke.

 

[austenbosten]

The replacement matters. He supports more war and says nothing about the erosion of our savings (theft) through inflation from the Fed. To me, that’s awful, and I can’t vote for a guy who supports war and inflation.

But you’re okay with the guy who’s for more war and more abortions and even more inflation?

You think with all of Romney’s economic policies and Paul Ryan being his VP they are for this endless QE?

Sorry until I see erefutable proof I am not convinced that you have a credible reason not to vote for Romney. :nope:

 

[smndtupidisaftr]

But you’re okay with the guy who’s for more war and more abortions and even more inflation?

You think with all of Romney’s economic policies and Paul Ryan being his VP they are for this endless QE?

Sorry until I see erefutable proof I am not convinced that you have a credible reason not to vote for Romney. :nope:

ONCE AGAIN, I DO NOT SUPPORT OBAMA EITHER.

They have said nothing about ending inflation, so they support it

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

ONCE AGAIN, I DO NOT SUPPORT OBAMA EITHER.

They have said nothing about ending inflation, so they support it

Just realized that your username is a scramble of After Stupid Minds.

 

[austenbosten]

ONCE AGAIN, I DO NOT SUPPORT OBAMA EITHER.

I didn’t say you supported Obama, I said you were fine with him having another 4 years. Because Virgil Goode and Gary Johnson **HAVE NO CHANCE OF WINNING.
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They have said nothing about ending inflation, so they support it

I will post a convincing rebuttal, but I am sure you are going to give another excuse not to vote for Romney.

During the GOP presidential primary debates in the spring, Romney said he wanted to replace Bernanke in part because he believed the Fed chief “overinflated the amount of currency he has created.”

Romney told Fox Business Network that he wants the U.S. central bank to focus on “maintaining the monetary stability that leads to a strong dollar and confidence that America is not going to go down the road that other nations have gone down to peril.”

• USA Today

 

[acarlson]

I’ll be praying for those 14 people who feel Obama is the ethical choice.

 

[smndtupidisaftr]

Then why won’t he support ending the Fed?

Further more, logic dictates that not voting supports Obama and Romney equally.

 

[austenbosten]

Then why won’t he support ending the Fed?

Further more, logic dictates that not voting supports Obama and Romney equally.

Oh my goodness can I call them or what …now you are exhibiting selfish pride. So you complained and said “Romney has said nothing about inflation” and I showed you he has and now you are saying “Well why isn’t he supporting ending the Fed.”

I don’t know maybe it’s because he’s a human being and not Ron Paul who you are obviously programmed into. You know Romney’s for repealing the tax breaks for Planned Parenthood but he’s not for banning Planned Parenthood and charging all abortionists with murder and giving them life imprisonment…you think that makes him pro-Choice?

Ughh…I’m not going any further on this unmerry-go-round with you. You obviously are a Paulite who’s upset your guy lost (again) and now you wanna vote third-party because you hate the GOP more than the Democrats. Well good luck with that.

 

[SuperLuigi]

The replacement matters. He supports more war and says nothing about the erosion of our savings (theft) through inflation from the Fed. To me, that’s awful, and I can’t vote for a guy who supports war and inflation.

The reason why inflation will be a problem is because of printing money. Romney won’t print any more money.

 

[smndtupidisaftr]

The reason why inflation will be a problem is because of printing money. Romney won’t print any more money.

Obama hasn’t printed money either. The Fed does that. They’re the main buyers of the treasury debt. That’s right, it’s not China, it’s the Fed. In other words, if Romney’s not cutting down the debt, then he’s not doing anything to fix the problem (big news, Romney has no plan to cut the debt).

 

[smndtupidisaftr]

Oh my goodness can I call them or what …now you are exhibiting selfish pride. So you complained and said “Romney has said nothing about inflation” and I showed you he has and now you are saying “Well why isn’t he supporting ending the Fed.”

I don’t know maybe it’s because he’s a human being and not Ron Paul who you are obviously programmed into. You know Romney’s for repealing the tax breaks for Planned Parenthood but he’s not for banning Planned Parenthood and charging all abortionists with murder and giving them life imprisonment…you think that makes him pro-Choice?

Ughh…I’m not going any further on this unmerry-go-round with you. You obviously are a Paulite who’s upset your guy lost (again) and now you wanna vote third-party because you hate the GOP more than the Democrats. Well good luck with that.

Might I warn you of haste judgment? Saying that I have selfish pride when you don’t even know me?

Now, the point is that the Fed chairman is not the problem. The problem is the institution whose only tool is the printing press. As long as the Fed is around, there will be inflation.

 

[BroomWagon]

Obama hasn’t printed money either. The Fed does that. They’re the main buyers of the treasury debt. That’s right, it’s not China, it’s the Fed. In other words, if Romney’s not cutting down the debt, then he’s not doing anything to fix the problem (big news, Romney has no plan to cut the debt).

Think that plan is called Paul Ryan.

 

[austenbosten]

Might I warn you of haste judgment? Saying that I have selfish pride when you don’t even know me?

I said you’re exhibiting pride…big difference. Not a judgment, but an observation.

Now, the point is that the Fed chairman is not the problem. The problem is the institution whose only tool is the printing press. As long as the Fed is around, there will be inflation.

I strongly suggest you look up the purpose of the Federal Reserve, it was designed to provide liquidity to banks and stabilize inflation…the problem with the Fed came once again thanks to Jimmay Carter with the Full Employment and Balanced Growth Act of 1978 which state Monetary Policy must be used to curb both inflation and unemployment.

You cannot get low inflation with low unemployment…it’s mathematically impossible (hence why it’s a Jimmay Carter law)

Also if you think there will be no inflation after the fed, you might want to look into history. Inflation is a natural market process…banning the fed will do nothing to stop inflation. If America went back on the Gold Standard, it will experience inflation just like it did during WWI and lead to spectacular crashes in 1920.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Obama hasn’t printed money either. The Fed does that. They’re the main buyers of the treasury debt. That’s right, it’s not China, it’s the Fed. In other words, if Romney’s not cutting down the debt, then he’s not doing anything to fix the problem (big news, Romney has no plan to cut the debt).

You’re kidding yourself if you think that Obama has nothing to do with printing money.

Romney will handle the debt and Bernanke will be history.

If you knew Mitt, you’d know that he under-promises and get the job done.

Don’t get too caught up in the Realpolitik of an election where two guys are targeting a very specific set of voters.

 

[Semper_Zelare]

I’m not saying he will defeat the Church, I’m saying he will continue his persecution on Catholics…so you will put Catholics in danger for you vanity? Pride is a mortal sin my friend.

You’re not a priest are you? Are you a confessor? How dare you say I’m guilty of pride over this. My conscience dictates that I will never vote for someone who has forced Catholics to sin and is himself guilty of the sin of scandal.

A sin which bares the weight of the sin of TENS OF THOUSANDS of others. No Catholic hospital which provides contraception is ever guilty of sin. The responsibility of the sin they incur rests squarely on the shoulders of politicians like Mitt Romney, the Massachusetts legislatures, Barrack Obama, the U.S. House, and the U.S. Senate.

Anyways, I personally am not a coward. If I die a martyr’s death then clearly God has Willed that it is the way that I will give Him the most glory with my life.

I refuse to make a statement about your bravery or cowardice because I don’t know you. I’m not going to accuse you of a sin when I don’t even know who you are.

Voting for people who can’t possibly win just because one agrees with them more is nothing but personal vanity.

It’s not personal vanity, it’s my conscience. My conscience won’t allow me to vote for an enemy of the Catholic Church. Mitt Romney was denounced by Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich as having forced Catholic hospitals to provide contraception and abortifacients.

And ALL of these articles say that he did just that. These articles all fact checked the debate in which that happened:

2.bostoncatholicinsider.wordpress.com/2012/02/23/did-romney-lie-about-cardinal-omalley-to-the-nation-during-the-wednesday-debate/
3.weeklystandard.com/blogs/were-catholic-hospitals-massachusetts-forced-provide-morning-after-pills_631848.html
4.spectator.org/blog/2012/02/23/romney-lied-about-forcing-cath
5.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/02/08/2005_romney_flip_flopped_forced_catholic_hospitals_to_distribute_morning_after_pill
6.boston.com/news/politics/articles/2012/02/03/mitt_romney_caught_in_inconsistency_in_blast_at_barack_obama_for_forcing_catholic_institutions_to_provide_insured_birth_control/
7.westernprogressive.com/2012/02/romneys-contraception-position-as-governor-more-liberal-than-obamas.html
8.redstate.com/streiff/2012/02/24/mitt-romney-tells-the-big-lie-on-honoring-religious-conscience/
9.conservativenewsflash.com/mitt-romney-tells-the-big-lie-on-honoring-religious-conscience
10.teapartybase.com/2012/02/24/mitt-romney-tells-the-big-lie-on-honoring-religious-conscience/
11.stanislausgop.org/2012/02/25/mitt-romney-tells-the-big-lie-on-honoring-religious-conscience/
12.stevedeace.com/news/national-politics/did-romney-lie-about-cardinal-omalley-to-the-nation-during-the-wednesday-debate/
13.citizens4freedom.com/Articles/tabid/1387/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/6911/Fact-Check-Did-Romney-Lie-About-Cardinal-and-Contraception-During-Wednesday-Debate.aspx
14.visiontoamerica.org/8398/catholics-assert-romney-told-lies-during-during-wednesdays-debate/

13 Links. All of which say the same thing: Mitt Romney lied about his record in Massachusetts. HE is responsible for Catholic hospitals being forced to provide contraception. HE IS RESPONSIBLE. According to all of these fact-checkers from across the political and news spectrum.

If these articles are wrong and Mitt Romney didn’t do that, then I might consider voting for him. But they’re right. Prove me wrong.

This is a scandal whose weight includes hundreds of thousands of sins (each and every time a Catholic hospital in Massachusetts provides a contraceptive or abortifacient). That is Mitt Romney’s scandal, here proven, on full display to the world!

I revile him out of my mouth. He has caused others to sin. The word of God tells us it would be better just to cast him into the sea with an anchor around his neck.

I’ll pray for his conversion to Christianity every single day if he becomes President.

And I’ll pray for y’all tonight because y’all both just judged me hardcore. I pray that y’all grow as Christians and don’t accuse a fellow Catholic of sin who you don’t even know.

 

[smndtupidisaftr]

Think that plan is called Paul Ryan.

Won’t start decreasing it for thirty years. The problem is here now.

 

[Vincent_N]

Other facts…

Romney has never legislated a pro life measure - ever (The governor’s signature is a final step of legislation).

Romney did sign tax payer funded abortion into law, two years after his so-called “Pro-Life conversion”. Shows how much we can actually trust him. He even still brags about it!


Paul Ryan, if VP, would be rendered completely ineffectual towards any pro life legislation.

I’m surprised no one has addressed this repeated untruthful claims.

This issue has been looked into by Politifact. It’s true that there is publicly-funded abortion under Romneycare. That is because a previous Massachusetts Supreme Court ruling made funding of abortion under publicly funded healthcare the law.

PolitiFact looked at the abortion issue when Romney’s Republican primary challengers accused him of enacting taxpayer-funded abortions in Massachusetts.

The state law itself does not specify what services are covered and what aren’t. Search the text of it, and “abortion” is nowhere to be found.

But because of a 1981 Supreme Judicial Court ruling in Massachusetts, the cost of abortions must be included in publicly subsidized plans. Most private insurance plans in the U.S. include abortion coverage, and the state-subsidized plans in Massachusetts do, too. That includes coverage for Massachusetts residents enrolled in Medicaid.

So it’s true that the plan makes abortion accessible through private insurance plans subsidized by the state. But that’s dictated by a court ruling that long predated Romney’s term as governor…

politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jun/18/facebook-posts/facebook-post-compares-elements-romneycare-obamaca/

Again your statement is completely untrue. Romney never signed tax-payer funded abortion into law. Massachusetts already had tax-payer funded abortion as part of other publicly funded subsidized plans. There is no mention of abortion in the Romneycare text.

 

[Vincent_N]

Semper Zelare:

And ALL of these articles say that he did just that. These articles all fact checked the debate in which that happened:

2.bostoncatholicinsider.wordpress.com/2012/02/23/did-romney-lie-about-cardinal-omalley-to-the-nation-during-the-wednesday-debate/
3.weeklystandard.com/blogs/were-catholic-hospitals-massachusetts-forced-provide-morning-after-pills_631848.html
4.spectator.org/blog/2012/02/23/romney-lied-about-forcing-cath
5.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/02/08/2005_romney_flip_flopped_forced_catholic_hospitals_to_distribute_morning_after_pill
6.boston.com/news/politics/articles/2012/02/03/mitt_romney_caught_in_inconsistency_in_blast_at_barack_obama_for_forcing_catholic_institutions_to_provide_insured_birth_control/
7.westernprogressive.com/2012/02/romneys-contraception-position-as-governor-more-liberal-than-obamas.html
8.redstate.com/streiff/2012/02/24/mitt-romney-tells-the-big-lie-on-honoring-religious-conscience/
9.conservativenewsflash.com/mitt-romney-tells-the-big-lie-on-honoring-religious-conscience
10.teapartybase.com/2012/02/24/mitt-romney-tells-the-big-lie-on-honoring-religious-conscience/
11.stanislausgop.org/2012/02/25/mitt-romney-tells-the-big-lie-on-honoring-religious-conscience/
12.stevedeace.com/news/national-politics/did-romney-lie-about-cardinal-omalley-to-the-nation-during-the-wednesday-debate/
13.citizens4freedom.com/Articles/tabid/1387/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/6911/Fact-Check-Did-Romney-Lie-About-Cardinal-and-Contraception-During-Wednesday-Debate.aspx
14.visiontoamerica.org/8398/catholics-assert-romney-told-lies-during-during-wednesdays-debate/

13 Links. All of which say the same thing: Mitt Romney lied about his record in Massachusetts. HE is responsible for Catholic hospitals being forced to provide contraception. HE IS RESPONSIBLE. According to all of these fact-checkers from across the political and news spectrum.

If these articles are wrong and Mitt Romney didn’t do that, then I might consider voting for him. But they’re right. Prove me wrong.

All hearsay and opinion pieces.

Here’s a direct article from that time:

Lawmakers override governor’s contraception veto
Move will ease morning-after pill’s availability
By Scott S. Greenberger, Globe Staff | September 16, 2005

It could take weeks or months for a new state emergency contraception law to take effect, despite the Legislature’s resounding endorsement of the measure yesterday.

Massachusetts became the eighth state to allow pharmacists to dispense the emergency contraception pill without a doctor’s prescription when lawmakers easily overrode Governor Mitt Romney’s veto yesterday. But the state’s Department of Public Health, which is overseen by Romney, must write regulations to implement it. Sally Fogerty, the associate commissioner of the state agency, could not immediately offer a timetable for the new rules…

boston.com/yourlife/health/women/articles/2005/09/16/lawmakers_override_governors_contraception_veto/

Romney did fight for the right of Catholics to exercise there conscience. The Democrats in the legislature ran him over anyway. Don’t forget that MA is a liberal state.

…to be continued