Presidential Election Poll 10-2-2012

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We are now in the part of the election season where the polling companies race to make their polls line up with reality so by November they match reality after months of making them absurd claims.
 
I think that it is a crying shame that Catholics are split almost 50-50. This man has blatantly and unapologetically attacked the Catholic faith…the bishops have done all they can to reveal this fact…and yet he still retains wide support. This president is the grand champion of abortion…do Catholics not see this? Protestants obviously see this. Catholics have an opportunity to make a real difference here.

I am saddened and perplexed.
 
Working thru those numbers. In the national poll Mitt leads Barak by 4 points. But regionally Barak leads Mitt everywhere but “the south”.

Pondering how that works…
 
My take on the debate:

On substance, Mitt Romney won. On style points, rhetoric, and appearance, Barry Obama won. Gauging the reaction of the average American voter who witnessed the debate, however, I believe the public will view Obama as the debate winner by a fairly narrow margin. Too many people are ignorant of the many misrepresentations Obama made during the debate to recognize Mitt Romney as the true winner on substantive issues. Ergo, he will benefit from the debate results in the polls. The Gallup poll obviously does not reflect the results of the debate. The question is how large the bump will be.

Please note I’m signing on to CA Forum late, so I have no idea what the consensus is here. Any update is appreciated.
 
Mickey said:
I think that it is a crying shame that Catholics are split almost 50-50. This man has blatantly and unapologetically attacked the Catholic faith…the bishops have done all they can to reveal this fact…and yet he still retains wide support. This president is the grand champion of abortion…do Catholics not see this? Protestants obviously see this. Catholics have an opportunity to make a real difference here.

I am saddened and perplexed.
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Also,theorereticaly,removing abortion from the picture,why anyone would vote Obama back in,given his abysmal failures ,both at home and internationally,is the real puzzle?:confused:
 
My personal opinion, if the polls were anywhere near accurate they would show Obama has never been above 45% nor would they show Obama leading since early August. The idea that he was once at 50% and lost 10% of his voters just isn’t realistic.

Any person that was voting for Obama after the last four years of his leadership would not change their vote after something as insignificant as a poor showing at a debate. If you are willing to accept trillions in new debt, sustained 14% unemployment, massive increases in health care costs, a disastrous foreign policy for 4 years, a poor showing in a single debate isn’t the tipping point.🤷
 
Maracuya said:
Just wondering…
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It is an easy choice for me.

Some of President Obama’s agenda is evil, and I cannot vote for him.

Some of President Obama’a agenda is good, but he is incompetent to acheive it, so I will not vote for him.
 
Jeanne_S said:
Also,theorereticaly,removing abortion from the picture,why anyone would vote Obama back in,given his abysmal failures ,both at home and internationally,is the real puzzle?:confused:
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Why would people vote for Obama? For reasons known only to them, 67% of Hispanics and 97% of blacks voted for Obama in 2008. They will likely do so again. Because 20% of U.S. voters are self-identified liberals who will likely cast their vote for the face of progressive politics, Barack Obama. Because the nearly 50% of all Americans who pay no federal income taxes or otherwise receive federal entitlements will vote for the liberal Democrat who dispenses the goodies. Because millions of private and public union members, including public teachers, policemen, and firefighters, readily know where their bread is buttered and will vote for the incumbent President. Lastly, there is the unidentified percentage of Americans who simply like Obama and the concept of a black President and First Family. Right or wrong, the sentiment exists.

The aforementioned voters are guided by ideology and self-interest. “Abysmal domestic and international policy failures” receive less consideration than ideology and self-interest. Certainly, conservatives and republicans hold their ideology and self-interest close to their heart in equal regard. The problem is demography. Conservatives and Republicans are slightly outnumbered in critical swing states. The electoral college favors Obama.

That leaves us with independents, U.S. voters ensconced in the middle of the political spectrum. The Romney campaign, the Republican National Committee, conservative super-pacs, and we (individual conservative and Republican voters) must persuade independents that Obama’s “abysmal failures” at home and abroad are indeed the important issues of the 2012 election. Unless we eliminate annual $1 trillion deficits, wipe out the $16 trillion national debt, reduce unemployment, eliminate ObamaCare, and re-establish America’s good name and strength on the international front, the United States will inexorably head down the path of the chaotic European model.

Simple enough answer?
 
As a person of conscience and in light of his horrendous record, I will not vote for President Obama.
 
Romney, the former Massachusetts governor and CEO of Bain Capital, is the right man for the presidency in 2012.
 
First I’ll be clear that I’m voting pro-life. Always will until that abomination is crushed.

But let’s not get so mypoic that we have to characterize anybody who intends to vote Obama is stupid, ignorant or evil. There’s a lot NOT to like about Romney. And it’s hard not to watch and listen to Obama without being convinced that he sincerely does want to see an America where everybody has a decent chance to prosper. Heck, if good intentions were the only criteria I might have to vote Obama.

Unfortunately, good intentions are no substitute for solid principles. Not only on abortion, but on the role the state plays in public life Obama is life-threateningly wrong. Obama’s vision of America clearly places the state second ONLY to the individual in prominance and importance of role. This is simply NOT American. In dozens of areas of his policies, Obama consistently denigrates the role of mediating institutions in society: churches (especially), private organizations, trade groups, charitable foundations, etc. Obama has consistently ruled with the attitude that these groups can only be tolerated so long as they toe the line of the ruling class. Whenever there is a conflict between Obama’s principles and those of a mediating organization, that organization must be marginalized and, if necessary, demonized. I could go on and on, but that’s a tanget.

On topic, people like Obama for understandable reasons and dislike Romney for some good reasons. Let’s not be so partisan that we disrespect people making choices different than ours. Instead let’s understand WHY they continue to like Obama and help them examine if those reasons are real and stand up to scrutiny (as opposed to mere campaign pandering) and if those reasons offset the serious reasons NOT to support Obama. I’ve come to the conclusion that they don’t and that it would be a serious mistake to vote for him, even though he’s clearly a nice guy who wants an American in which people can be happy, healthy and well off. He’s just not choosing policies that will get us there.
 
manualman said:
First I’ll be clear that I’m voting pro-life. Always will until that abomination is crushed.

But let’s not get so mypoic that we have to characterize anybody who intends to vote Obama is stupid, ignorant or evil. There’s a lot NOT to like about Romney. And it’s hard not to watch and listen to Obama without being convinced that he sincerely does want to see an America where everybody has a decent chance to prosper. Heck, if good intentions were the only criteria I might have to vote Obama.

Unfortunately, good intentions are no substitute for solid principles. Not only on abortion, but on the role the state plays in public life Obama is life-threateningly wrong. Obama’s vision of America clearly places the state second ONLY to the individual in prominance and importance of role. This is simply NOT American. In dozens of areas of his policies, Obama consistently denigrates the role of mediating institutions in society: churches (especially), private organizations, trade groups, charitable foundations, etc. Obama has consistently ruled with the attitude that these groups can only be tolerated so long as they toe the line of the ruling class. Whenever there is a conflict between Obama’s principles and those of a mediating organization, that organization must be marginalized and, if necessary, demonized. I could go on and on, but that’s a tanget.

On topic, people like Obama for understandable reasons and dislike Romney for some good reasons. Let’s not be so partisan that we disrespect people making choices different than ours. Instead let’s understand WHY they continue to like Obama and help them examine if those reasons are real and stand up to scrutiny (as opposed to mere campaign pandering) and if those reasons offset the serious reasons NOT to support Obama. I’ve come to the conclusion that they don’t and that it would be a serious mistake to vote for him, even though he’s clearly a nice guy who wants an American in which people can be happy, healthy and well off. He’s just not choosing policies that will get us there.
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I don’t disrespect people for making different choices. I simply recognize it as a fact. People will vote their ideology and self-interest. Nonetheless, I will do my utmost to convince Obama voters to change their mind. Likely futile, however. Independents are capable of being persuaded to vote Romney, so I suggest focusing on those in the middle of the road.
 
Gary Johnson because I live in California and my presidential vote doesn’t matter.
 
I am voting for Romney. My vote has been decided for some time now. I am definitely not one of the swing voters in this election. To me, Obama’s policies are evil, some of them anyway. I refuse to support the evil policies that Obama supports by voting for him. The evil policies that Obama has but are not limited to include: his pro-abortion stance, his forcing Catholic businesses to provide insurance coverage of contraception, abortifacients, and sterilization, and his support of redefining marriage.
 
Tampa_Dave said:
Romney, the former Massachusetts governor and CEO of Bain Capital, is the right man for the presidency in 2012.
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Romney, being a businessman, I think knows about the economy better than Obama, and would know better how to fix it, or at least start to fix it. Or at least he deserves a chance where Obama has failed us.

Romney, being a man of faith (despite being Mormon), would respect religious liberty.

Romney is pro-life, or at least more so than Obama.

Romney is against homosexual marriage.

While I may not like the guy personally, I feel someone else deserves a shot, because Obama has failed at his promises. I will say there are a few aspects of Obamacare that are nice, but a few goods do not outweigh all the bad.
 
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