Presidential Election Poll 10-2-2012

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Joe_5859 said:
I keep seeing that Romney is over 50% in the Galllup poll, but then every projection I see state-by-state still shows Obama in the lead with electoral votes.
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Real Clear Politics has Romney ahead now (and they average the polls, which are almost all oversampling Dems by a large margin).
 
estesbob said:
If someone either directly or indirectly supports unrestricted abortion on demand they are rejecting the Teachings of the Church I don’t need to rely on your personal interpretation of Scripture the know the truth Christ entrusted the truth to the Cathoilc Church and they have consistently promoted it for over two thousand years
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Thats just Hogwash…we are a society of laws - until and unless the laws are changed to recognize life as beginning at conception abortion will be a legal part of our society - like it or not. Support for any candidate that supports the laws of our society does not itself reject the Teachings of the Church. Our fore fathers had great wisdom in the separation of church and state.
 
tskrobacz said:
Thats just Hogwash…we are a society of laws - until and unless the laws are changed to recognize life as beginning at conception abortion will be a legal part of our society - like it or not. Support for any candidate that supports the laws of our society does not itself reject the Teachings of the Church. Our fore fathers had great wisdom in the separation of church and state.
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I don’t know what religion ECC is, but the Catechism does not support what you wrote.
 
tskrobacz said:
Who said that either view rejects the churches teachings? The third eye, or mind of Christ, is usually beyond any of our narrow understandings. Look at the parables…they teach one thing early in life and something different (often opposite) later in life.
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The Church did. For example:

*“No, you can never vote for someone who favors absolutely what’s called the ‘right to choice’ of a woman to destroy human life in her womb, or the right to a procured abortion,”

“You may in some circumstances where you don’t have any candidate who is proposing to eliminate all abortion, choose the candidate who will most limit this grave evil in our country, but you could never justify voting for a candidate who not only does not want to limit abortion but believes that it should be available to everyone,”

Cardinal Burke*

I would agree many things are beyond on our understanding-fortunately we have the Church to guide us.
 
tskrobacz said:
Thats just Hogwash…we are a society of laws - until and unless the laws are changed to recognize life as beginning at conception abortion will be a legal part of our society - like it or not. Support for any candidate that supports the laws of our society does not itself reject the Teachings of the Church. Our fore fathers had great wisdom in the separation of church and state.
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So your contention that is it is not sinful to support anything that is legal? It appears you do not even have a basic understanding of the teachings of the catholic Church
 
tskrobacz said:
Thats just Hogwash…we are a society of laws - until and unless the laws are changed to recognize life as beginning at conception abortion will be a legal part of our society - like it or not. Support for any candidate that supports the laws of our society does not itself reject the Teachings of the Church. Our fore fathers had great wisdom in the separation of church and state.
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No, your post hoc ergo propter hoc point is hogwash .

Unless of, course you don’t believe a moral code exists outside of religious dogma. Murder is a criminal law, and also part of the 10 Commandments, does that break the wall of “Separation”?
 
estesbob said:
So your contention that is it is not sinful to support anything that is legal? It appears you do not even have a basic understanding of the teachings of the catholic Church
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that’s not what I said at all I simply said that we are a nation of laws and as such expect our elected leaders to enforce the laws - no Catholic is required by those laws to practice abortion so despite the existence of those laws we can continue to exercise our Catholics beliefs
 
tskrobacz said:
that’s not what I said at all I simply said that we are a nation of laws and as such expect our elected leaders to enforce the laws - no Catholic is required by those laws to practice abortion so despite the existence of those laws we can continue to exercise our Catholics beliefs
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The HHS Mandate says hi.
 
tskrobacz said:
that’s not what I said at all I simply said that we are a nation of laws and as such expect our elected leaders to enforce the laws - no Catholic is required by those laws to practice abortion so despite the existence of those laws we can continue to exercise our Catholics beliefs
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Part of exercising our beliefs is opposing evil, like the genocide against the Jews in WWII or the abortion industry today.
 
estesbob said:
The Church did. For example:

*“No, you can never vote for someone who favors absolutely what’s called the ‘right to choice’ of a woman to destroy human life in her womb, or the right to a procured abortion,”

“You may in some circumstances where you don’t have any candidate who is proposing to eliminate all abortion, choose the candidate who will most limit this grave evil in our country, but you could never justify voting for a candidate who not only does not want to limit abortion but believes that it should be available to everyone,”

Cardinal Burke*

I would agree many things are beyond on our understanding-fortunately we have the Church to guide us.
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Cardinal Burke does not have to concern himself with the fact that we are a nation that values the separation of church and state…
 
tskrobacz said:
Cardinal Burke does not have to concern himself with the fact that we are a nation that values the separation of church and state…
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Can you show me where in the Declaration or the Constitution it says that? 🙂
 
tskrobacz said:
I suggest you look at the First and Fourteenth Amendment
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1st:Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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I am not sure that I understand your reference of the 14th, as it says absolutely nothing on the subject.

The first prohibits the *establishment *of a state religion. Which has absolutely zip to do with a supposed separation of Church and State, a complete liberal fabrication:)

How about that? 🙂

The term was first used by Jefferson, BTW–in 1802, nearly 20 years after the ratification of the Constitution. Which is why he isn’t high on my list of Founding Fathers.

Oddly, he also said:
Thomas Jefferson – “No power to proscribe any religious exercise or to assume authority in religious discipline has been delegated to the Federal Government. It must, then, rest with the States.”
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Romney +1 In Florida (post-debate) — Cnn/orc International
The party ID is dead even (Dem 32, Rep 32, Ind 36). In 2008 it was D +3 (Dem 37, Rep 34, Ind 29) and in 2004 it was R+4 (Dem 37, Rep 41, Ind 23). Funny how polls splitting the difference between the last two elections (my preferred method) don’t show crazy Obama leads. I wonder why that is? (not really)
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Fox News Poll: Support for Obama Dips in Ohio

Identification for likely voters 17 - 18 october: 34% republican; 42% democrat; 20% independent/other; don’t know/refused 3%

Likely voters 16 - 18 october: 36% republican; 42% democrat; 21% independent other; 1% don’t know refused

Registered voters 17 - 18 october: 33% republican; 42% democrat; 21% independent/other; 4% don’t know/refused

Fox News Poll: Romney Now Ahead in Florida

Indentification for liekly voters 17 - 18 october: 39% republican; 40% democrat; 19% independent/other; 2% don’t know/refused

16 - 18 october likely voters: 37% republican; 42% democrat; 20% independent/other; 1% don’t know/refused

17 - 18 october registered voters: republican 38%; democrat 40%; independent/other 20%; don’t know/refused 2%
 
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