Press: Trump's final presidential pardon: himself

[Ridgerunner]

You can’t be serious.

Of course I am. It was as plain as plain gets. I realize Democrats like to imagine that Trump would solicit Russian help on camera. But that’s just partisanship taken to its most stupid extreme.

But to threaten others with “eternal torture” is not a good idea.

I don’t threaten anyone. But we are commanded to “admonish the sinner”.

As for the trend going on, the Vatican keeps complaining about ongoing secularization, about the empty pews, and other negative signs within the church

When, I wonder, did it not.

Many Catholic couples practice active birth control, many Catholic women have no problem with abortions,

Sure. And many get drunk and angry and commit adultery and watch porn and steal and cheat. And hopefully, they confess and repent. But it does no good to persuade oneself that sinful behavior is not sinful. One needs to own up to one’s sinfulness rather than puff up in one’s vanity.

many Catholics oppose the celibacy of the clergy, the lack of ordination of women, also are dissatisfied with the way the church handled the sexual scandal in the clergy.

Sure. And some don’t like incense or “social justice” fixation in sermons. Even St. Paul had his complaints about people in the Church.

So the signs are not promising for a renewal in the “right” direction.

We’ll see, or perhaps the next generation will. But the gates of hell, we’re assured by Christ Himself, will not prevail against the Church.

Democrat and Catholic are not opposites

Actually, right now they’re incompatible.

Or, is the phrase “atheist Catholic” an oxymoron???

Depends on what you mean I guess. Are there faithful Cahtolics who doubt the existence of God or simply can’t believe in Him? I’m sure there are. But Faith and belief are not the same things. We’re not required to have belief; only faith.

 

[Abrosz]

Depends on what you mean I guess. Are there faithful Cahtolics who doubt the existence of God or simply can’t believe in Him? I’m sure there are. But Faith and belief are not the same things. We’re not required to have belief; only faith.

Wrong. Someone is atheist if he does not believe in some supernatural and considers himself an atheist. It is a personal choice. But to be Catholic, you have no choice - according to the Catholic dogma or doctrine (whichever is applicable). If you have been baptized, you are a Catholic.

So the expression of “atheist Catholic” is not an oxymoron according to Catholicism. That is sufficient unto the day.

 

[Montrose]

Wrong. Someone is atheist if he does not believe in some supernatural and considers himself an atheist. It is a personal choice. But to be Catholic, you have no choice - according to the Catholic dogma or doctrine (whichever is applicable). If you have been baptized, you are a Catholic.

So the expression of “atheist Catholic” is not an oxymoron according to Catholicism. That is sufficient unto the day.

If a person is a baptised Catholic they remain a Catholic even if they turn their back on the Church and walk away and call themselves something different.
There are only two types of Catholic - those in a state of grace and those in a state of mortal sin.

 

[Abrosz]

If a person is a baptised Catholic they remain a Catholic even if they turn their back on the Church and walk away and call themselves something different.
There are only two types of Catholic - those in a state of grace and those in a state of mortal sin.

So the phrase “atheistic Catholic” is NOT an oxymoron. That concludes this part.

 

[ChuckB]

[D]o you really think any of the more serious Trump haters even here on CAF care about precedent? They simply want Trump in jail and don’t care how they do it.

This is beyond ridiculous. I know lots of folks who think Trump is completely self-interested, totally lacking in ethics, and probably the worst thing that has ever happened to our country. I share this few. But I don’t know anyone who wants him in jail. We just want him gone.

 

[ProVobis]

knowing abortion will be paid for by taxpayers,

Illinois is already doing that, thanks to Rauner, and has quadrupled its abort rate, all under Trump’s watch. Yet the Evangelicals support the Republicans.

 

[ProVobis]

“Russia Collusion” was false

Not according to Rudy Giuliani and Roger Stone.

 

[PaulinVA]

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[Ridgerunner]

Illinois is already doing that, thanks to Rauner, and has quadrupled its abort rate, all under Trump’s watch. Yet the Evangelicals support the Republicans.

Ah, so this fellow Rauner is an abortion-loving Republican? Well, he’s not the only one. There are a few more. But what did you expect Trump to do about it? Arrest him? Shoot him?

And the Evangelicals ought to support the Republicans who are prolife. That does not seem to include Rauner anymore. As you know. Rauner pledged to veto the abortion funding bill, but betrayed the constituents and signed it. Evangelicals are not happy with it.

http://www.davidmcsweeney.com/gov_bruce_rauner_signs_abortion_bill_that_he_vowed_to_veto

 

[Ridgerunner]

Not according to Rudy Giuliani and Roger Stone.

False. Let’s see your in context quotes from reliable sources. And please don’t give us that misleading quote from the Cuomo interview in which Giuliani says he never said there was “no collusion” between “anyone in the campaign” (how many thousands of those would there have been?) and the Russians. Get something real.

 

[Ridgerunner]

He was talking about “accepting” in terms of not agreeing in advance never to want a recount. And he did say that in the 2016 campaign too.

I realize liberal Chris Wallace wanted to provide a “gotcha” for liberal mills who claim Trump won’t leave even if he’s defeated; something he has never said.

 

[PaulinVA]

He was talking about “accepting” in terms of not agreeing in advance never to want a recount. And he did say that in the 2016 campaign too.

The ability of Trump supporters to spin his words is amazing.

Has any other candidate ever said that?

In your example, a normal, thinking person would say, “Chris, that’s a gotcha question. I will absolutely abide by the decision of the American people. There might be an obvious situation where I might ask for a recount, but I will definitely leave the White House if I lose.”

 

[Ridgerunner]

Has any other candidate ever said that?

When did Trump ever say he wouldn’t leave the white house if he lost?

But if he hadn’t fallen into that verbal trap, there would have been some other unfavorable comment on his presentation. Probably already are on the liberal networks.

 

[PaulinVA]

When did Trump ever say he wouldn’t leave the white house if he lost?

What’s the logical conclusion of Trump not accepting the results of the election?

 

[Victoria33]

Trump should actually be given another term since one side has used all kinds of underhanded methods to try to overturn a fair and free election from day one.

 

[Ridgerunner]

You know what he meant. I guess you couldn’t find a quote from Trump saying he won’t leave office even if the election goes against him. That’s because it doesn’t exist and you’re just doing a Democrat talking point handed to you all by Wallace.

Trump should actually be given another term since one side has used all kinds of underhanded methods to try to overturn a fair and free election from day one.

There is a saying about socialist elections; that it’s “one man, one vote, one time”. If the Dems are elected, they won’t lose power in my lifetime. They’ll enfranchise all illegal aliens, including the new ones who come in through open borders. They’ll have mail in ballots so political (and criminal) political bosses do all the real voting. They’ll stop fracking, making us dependent on foreign oil again. They’ll reinstate unequal trade agreements with China. (after all, Hunter Biden is $20 million richer because his father sold out to China) and there’s a good chance we’ll be in another foreign war. The DOW will plummet and taxes will go up.

They’ll put Biden in a drawer somewhere and this country will be run by the Pelosi/Schumer group allied with the super rich like Bezos. They probably won’t insist we tug our forelocks when we pass by one of them, but we’ll all be their serfs nonetheless.

Middle class people should avoid voting Democrat for more reasons than the Dems devotion to abortion. Like all rich oligarchs, the Dem elites don’t like us “Kulaks”; the small business people, the high-wage workers with hard hats, the “consumer-serving” professionals like neighborhood lawyers, doctors and accountants. Those, not the rich, are the ones dictators cut down most viciously.

They don’t like Kulaks because they can’t stand the thought of their “inferiors” maybe hitting it rich and trying to invade their exclusive club. The John Kerrys can have 15 SUVs, but that’s a privilege of the aristocracy. You, Victoria, aren’t allowed to have one in their world. You can’t afford the gasoline anyway when they shut production down. The “Kulaks” are also known as “irredeemables”, “bitter clingers”, “people who should change their religion”, “smelly Walmart shoppers.”

This could well be our last reasonably free election in my lifetime. Possibly even yours, Victoria, even though you’re a youngster and all.

 

[PaulinVA]

Trump should actually be given another term since one side has used all kinds of underhanded methods to try to overturn a fair and free election from day one.

Since it’s Sunday, and it’s too hot to go outside on the east coast, I’ll bite, since I’ve got time. What “underhanded methods” are you referring to?

 

[Victoria33]

I have to say, that is a very good summation per post #36. Dr. Sebastian Gorka and quite a few others understand and make that point.

Gorka has his radio show Weekday afternoons, Salem Broadcasting. Yes, of course, he has connections to Hungary but he talks like he lived in Poland some or at least, some sort of connection. Oh, and a fairly devout Catholic from what I can tell. It doesn’t mean I always agree with him but usually so.