The first half of the 20th century was the 1900’s. Going to the seminary in the first half would make them over 100 years old today.How many boys did you know that went to those seminaries in the first half of the 20th century? In what countries? What was it like? At what age did they wear habits? How were their daily routines? In how much was it religious life? How did they regard themselves? How did they regard their future and vocation? What did society think of them? How where they invested in those ages? What were the rites?
If you think that is the only time when priestly abuse of children occurred, you are sadly mistaken. You do know that St. Vincent De Paul was more than once “offered” a families young child to “do with what he pleased” because it was understood at the time that if you had a priest over you met all his needs. To pretend that sexual abuse of minors is a thing from the 1940’s is loonacy.Ohh @Xanthippe_Voorhees some of the men that went on to commit those acts in the 70’s had passed their entire lives in the seminaries…Born sometime in the 40’s.
I’ve definitely heard this from other sources as well. There really is simply no treatment for people who find themselves attracted to children and seek not to offend. And at least in the U.S., the fear of being reported by the therapist is often very strong, preventing people from seeking help. Especially as staying completely away from children in modern life is almost impossible.I have a friend, another CAFer, who told me about a friend he met online that is exclusively attracted to children. I’ve never spoken to this guy, so I’m just going off second-hand. He says that this guy lives alone and very seldomly leaves the house to avoid going anywhere where there might be children. He says that he has never hurt a child and does everything that he can to avoid it. He says that he can’t share his struggles with anyone except online because people would automatically assume that he has been with a kid. He can’t see a therapist either because he would be reported and his life ruined.
I’m wondering how many people are like that who are exclusively attracted to children, but want to lead moral lives. There needs to be help for those folks.
You stated that a seminary needs 12 years. You did so clearly out of context. Seminarians currently do not need 12 years. And there is no evidence that putting a young boy through seminary made him a better priest.As usual, I never said any of that. Looking back on the thread, you were trying to refute me on well established historical truths. Yes, it is called a seminar (after grade school). Yes, they did get ordained priests much earlier historically. Yes, schooling years were much shorter. Yes, historically they were expected (the vast majority) to enter seminar very early (much earlier than college). Yes, they spent their entire adolescence in the seminar (not just college). Yes, it was basically the only reality they knew. Yes, that changed them, and contributed.
And no, I never said there weren’t those cases…So don’t accuse me of lunacy over something I didn’t say.
That seems to be the case, yes.But, I wonder, were people only studying those who were convicted pedophiles
“My research suggests that while celibacy is not the problem that gives rise to sexual abuse of minors by Catholic clergy, a Catholic sexual ethic and theology of priesthood, which problematises the body and erotic sexual desire and emphasises chastity and purity over a relational ethic as the model for living, may be…The theology of sexuality, which contributes to self-hatred and shame, needs serious theological examination and revision.”were this way Before they entered the priesthood.
Please, read “Royal Commission”, “Case study 50”, “Evidence 50-0002 Dr.Marie Keenan” for the scientific state of the art countering your assertion.
How do you know? It strikes me that paedophilia is completely un-natural and alien to evolution. There’s no possible evolutionary advantage to desiring mates that are too young to reproduce. That leads me to think it’s a mental illness that develops after birth.These people cannot be fixed
I know because I have been through training on it, I have read up on it and my daughter was a prosecuting attorney specializing in sexuall violent predators and we talked about it. There are multiple problems with your statement:How do you know? It strikes me that paedophilia is completely un-natural and alien to evolution. There’s no possible evolutionary advantage to desiring mates that are too young to reproduce. That leads me to think it’s a mental illness that develops after birth.