Priest arrested for exorcism on anorexic girl

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incense said:
I know parents of autistic kids who have to put their kids in body holds on a regular basis so they don’t hurt themselves or others when they throw tantrums. IF you have a phd in psychology, you must be aware how common this is.
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Very seldom do autistic children need to be restrained and those that do are likely to be institutionalized.
 
Robert_Sock said:
Very seldom do autistic children need to be restrained and those that do are likely to be institutionalized.
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Yes, they commonly have to be restrained. They’re children with special needs and it takes them a while to learn how to behave and they don’t have to be institutionalized to do so. The parents just have to learn techniques to handle their tantrums or they’ll hurt themselves or someone else. Perhaps you are confusing autistic children who are violent with downs syndrome children who are very gentle.
 
incense said:
Yes, they commonly have to be restrained. They’re children with special needs and it takes them a while to learn how to behave and they don’t have to be institutionalized to do so. The parents just have to learn techniques to handle their tantrums or they’ll hurt themselves or someone else. Perhaps you are confusing autistic children who are violent with downs syndrome children who are very gentle.
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If using restraints are so commonplace, why did the exorcist get arrested for maltreatment? You cannot go around restraining children so a priest can perform an exorcism.
 
Robert_Sock said:
why did the exorcist get arrested for maltreatment?
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The details in the article were so thin it is really hard to tell what is going on here.

It’s interesting to see the Fox News articles spin. The headline and first line make it sound like the priest was arrested just for perfoming a religious ceremony.
 
Robert_Sock said:
If using restraints are so commonplace, why did the exorcist get arrested for maltreatment? You cannot go around restraining children so a priest can perform an exorcism.
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That’s right. People are never falsely arrested. :eek:

The restraints are not a form of punishment or revenge. They are not intended to do any harm to the individual, but rather to protect them from themselves. A crime might be NOT properly restraining the victim.
 
MtnDwellar said:
That’s right. People are never falsely arrested. :eek:

The restraints are not a form of punishment or revenge. They are not intended to do any harm to the individual, but rather to protect them from themselves. A crime might be NOT properly restraining the victim.
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There is no law against exorcisms, but you cannot go around tying children up to perform them. In most places it’s a crime unless the child is in immediate danger of harming him/herself or others.

If the Church is promoting exorcisms, it needs to have guidelines in place to insure the safety of the victims, and that no laws are broken.
 
Robert_Sock said:
There is no law against exorcisms, but you cannot go around tying children up to perform them. In most places it’s a crime unless the child is in immediate danger of harming him/herself or others.

If the Church is promoting exorcisms, it needs to have guidelines in place to insure the safety of the victims, and that no laws are broken.
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The restraint is not indiscriminate. It is used to protect the victim. It’s not a crime and might be a necessity.
 
MtnDwellar said:
The restraint is not indiscriminate. It is used to protect the victim. It’s not a crime and might be a necessity.
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The exorcist was arrested for maltreatment, so I’m assuming that the authorities have a fairly good ideas as to the law.
 
Robert_Sock said:
The exorcist was arrested for maltreatment, so I’m assuming that the authorities have a fairly good ideas as to the law.
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As I said before, people can be falsely accused. That’s what trials are for.
The article implies that the restraints were the reason for the arrest, but does not implicitly state so. We don’t know if any injuries resulted from the exorcisms.

It’s possible that the victim in this story is trying to set up a suit against the church. 🤷
 
MtnDwellar said:
As I said before, people can be falsely accused. That’s what trials are for.
The article implies that the restraints were the reason for the arrest, but does not implicitly state so. We don’t know if any injuries resulted from the exorcisms.

It’s possible that the victim in this story is trying to set up a suit against the church. 🤷
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What you say makes sense. It could be any of the reasons you provide. But my assumption is that abuse really did happen. Again, the Church needs good guidelines when it comes to exorcisms.
 
Robert_Sock said:
What you say makes sense. It could be any of the reasons you provide. But my assumption is that abuse really did happen. Again, the Church needs good guidelines when it comes to exorcisms.
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So you have a person with anorexia and has had exorcisms performed, and any mental problems she has is due to the exorcisms? Appears she had mental problems before the intervention. But others have been successful in getting money from the Catholic Church.

Then again, might have been real abuse. We can’t know. Not enough info. Plenty of people to pray for though.
 
Robert_Sock said:
What you say makes sense. It could be any of the reasons you provide. But my assumption is that abuse really did happen. Again, the Church needs good guidelines when it comes to exorcisms.
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We agree that the story is incomplete.
We differ in that you fill in the blanks by assuming the teen and those people she told are in the right and the Church needs to improve her exorcism procedures. I assume the parents and the priests are right and the Church has fully mature procedures for exorcisms.
 
MtnDwellar said:
As I said before, people can be falsely accused. That’s what trials are for.
The article implies that the restraints were the reason for the arrest, but does not implicitly state so. We don’t know if any injuries resulted from the exorcisms.

It’s possible that the victim in this story is trying to set up a suit against the church. 🤷
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By victim I assume you mean the young girl. Her aunt and uncle are the ones who called the police.
 
Here is an interesting article.

knowledgenuts.com/2014/01/31/how-priests-tell-between-demonic-possession-and-mental-illness/

I think the exorcist losses credibility when he make statments to the parents that the girl was overmedicated. It doesn’t sound like he was working in concert with the doctors. I also wonder if the priest will be able to document any of the modern requirements for exorcism.

My honest opinion? I bet he will have a hard time documenting that he was working within the modern guidlines. It sounds to me like he was a loose cannon doing his own thing.
 
robertmidwest said:
Here is an interesting article.

knowledgenuts.com/2014/01/31/how-priests-tell-between-demonic-possession-and-mental-illness/

I think the exorcist losses credibility when he make statments to the parents that the girl was overmedicated. It doesn’t sound like he was working in concert with the doctors. I also wonder if the priest will be able to document any of the modern requirements for exorcism.

My honest opinion? I bet he will have a hard time documenting that he was working within the modern guidlines. It sounds to me like he was a loose cannon doing his own thing.
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I assume that the exorcist did what exorcists are supposed to do. The girl’s parents, at least two priests, and a bishop agreed about the possession. Why would you have a different opinion?
 
MtnDwellar said:
I assume that the exorcist did what exorcists are supposed to do. The girl’s parents, at least two priests, and a bishop agreed about the possession. Why would you have a different opinion?
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Primarily because the exorcist told the parents that the girl was over medicated.
 
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