Priest burns Pachamama idols

[CarmeliteKnight]

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November 4, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) – A Catholic priest in the Archdiocese of Mexico City burned effigies of the pagan “Pachamama” statues while leading the faithful in prayer to atone for the sin of worshiping the statues at the Vatican during the recently concluded Amazon Synod.

Video of the event captured Fr. Hugo Valdemar standing outside a Church dedicated to Our Lady of Guadalupe where flames leaped out of a four-legged metal fireplace that was on top of a table covered with a white table cloth. The colorized Pachamama effigies were then placed on the table next to the fire.

Fr. Valdemar stood next to an alter-boy who was holding an image of Our Lady of Guadalupe and explained what was about to take place, as captured by the Nov. 3 video. The priest was also flanked by an icon of St. Michael the Archangel.

“The most blessed Virgin [Mary] of Guadalupe, as we know, is a young woman who is pregnant. She has Jesus in her womb whom is to give birth to the new continent (the new world). She says that she comes to grant her love to all the inhabitants of this entire continent (not just Mexico). She is pregnant and carries Jesus who will bring us the Gospel and drive away the darkness of idolatry and the devil,” he said.

Fr. Hugo then picked up one of the Pachamama effigies and, holding it next to the image of Our Lady, explained the difference between the two.

“A friend exorcist says that this idol (Pachamama) is actually the figure of the antichrist. It is a blasphemy and parody of Mary. Pachamama is pregnant but carries the antichrist to give birth to him in the Masonic church, to destroy the sacraments, which is to return to idolatry and superstition. So, this antichrist who is to give birth to a church with an ‘Amazonian face’ is an abomination, it is a contradiction to Church doctrine, which is the dynamic into which these idolaters want to enter into now,” he said.

“So, in sign of repugnance to the offenses that they made to the most Blessed Virgin Mary in Rome, in her church of Transpontina, we, as a protest and as a sign of reparation, burn this satanic idol of the Pachamama,” he added.

The priest then dropped the Pachamama into the fire where it was consumed by the flames. Two more effigies were later burned.

 

[DeSales111]

Our Pope set a terrible example, of coarse there is going to be some backlash. I just can not imagine Jesus at the Temple 2000 years ago inviting pagans to bring their idols and allowing them to be worshipped on Temple grounds, and then after the idols are worshipped, being placed inside the Sanctuary of the Temple. This is a no brainer! I may be a sinner but I know what a false God is, and the day one is brought into the parish I attend is the day I will smash it to pieces. ONLY Jesus is the way, the Truth, and the life, and I promise this, THE JESUS I WORSHIP WILL NEVER SHARE THE STAGE WITH SOME CEMENT MOTHER EARTH IDOL! You see, Jesus is Lord of the Earth, He is Lord of all, and will never bow to pachamama! Lord forgive me for my holy anger! I can not and will not be passive while our Pope and his buddy bishops act so scandalise. I want to be able to look a Protestant in the eye and tell them there is no idolatry within our Church, not make excuses for our Pope. If you want to convert these pagans, by gosh go to them in their home lands and tell them the TRUTH. If they don’t convert, then that’s on them.

 

[CarmeliteKnight]

It looks like he did, but it’s the symbolism of the act that counts. You gotta remember that these abused Amazonians and the people that enable them in their idolatry worship the earth. The orginal idols that were cast into the river were just representations of the gentile deity. As are these printed effigies.

The act of burning the Nachomama is more of a “we wont tolerate that garbage in our house” message sent to the world and the prelates that are enabling these Amazonians in their idolatry.

 

[CarmeliteKnight]

Nice going @adgloriam you are vainly falling back on leftist buzzwords. If destorying idols and following the 1st commandment is “xenophobic hate speech” than all the saints that destroyed idols in the past are nothing bit bigots excommunicated from the church of woke.

Forgive me for not wanting to enable people in their idolatry.

 

[CarmeliteKnight]

The plight of the Amazonians in relation to the loggers and their disputes has literally nothing to do with the topic at hand.

 

[CarmeliteKnight]

And a solid Amen to you, brother.

 

[DeSales111]

These people invited to the Vatican were not some uneducated jungle folks. They were flown to the Vatican, which means they had to have proper credentials. They were also wearing modern clothes. They chose to remain pagan, believing in a false god, which has no place on Vatican grounds nor in any of our Churches. We who are upset by it are not hateful, we are embarrassed and angered by our Pope for allowing this spectacle in front of the world. Being mad does not equal hate, as any parent knows, when their child does something very wrong, they can be angry and still love their child. This kind of anger is an act of love and the utmost respect for our Lord and Savior.

Yes the people of the Amazon need our help, boots on the ground help. They need our love and support. They need our faith. BUT what WE don’t need, and what is not going to help them in any way is their worship in the back yard of the Vatican or any of their idols in our Churches. That’s a big NO!

And the Pope apologizing if it offends anyone, that’s just trying to put lipstick on a pig. He isn’t sorry for his actions, he is only sorry we do not accept his actions. That would be the equivalent of me telling and atheist I’m sorry for going to Church on Sunday. It’s pointless and empty.

 

[godisgood77]

This is unfortunate news…

Burning this symbol is a sign of intolerance and disdain… does nothing to bring people to the Catholic religion… in fact quite the opposite

 

[bookshelf]

This is unfortunate news…

Burning this symbol is a sign of intolerance and disdain… does nothing to bring people to the Catholic religion… in fact quite the opposite

People come to the Catholic faith because they respond to the grace of God and cooperate with it.

As Catholics we have to “Preach the word: be instant in season, out of season: reprove, entreat, rebuke in all patience and doctrine” (2 Timothy 4:2). Were the Pachamama followers told in charity, that their beliefs would lead them away from Christ and His Church?

 

[hopeful.sinner]

So when Jesus threw the people out of the temple was he being intolerant? I guess that would be unfortunate news for you as well. I stand by this priest, the line must be drawn somewhere. Will the execution be perfect? most likely not! but it needs to be done nonetheless.

 

[godisgood77]

So when Jesus threw the people out of the temple was he being intolerant?

No… totally different… I 100% support Jesus’ kicking people out for turning the place of worship in to a market. I don’t think that is remotely the same as burning the symbol of another culture

 

[Genesis315]

There’s a titular bishop for the Carmelite church of Santa Maria in Traspontina.

Any reparation is his or the pope’s to be made.

No. What you say here is a denial of the communion of saints. We’re all one Body and are to bear each other’s burdens. Just as we can make satisfaction for another’s sins, so can we make reparation to God. In fact, that is what Christianity is all about. Just as Christ–who was innocent–prayed, suffered, and did good works on behalf of sinners for the glory of God and salvation of souls, so must we do the same. In this case, honor and sacrifices unjustly given to idols (be it “Pachamama” or the earth or something even more vague) is taken away.

Also, the first commandment is not “inter-faith dialogue.” (see Exo. 20:3-4), nor is it the commission Christ gave His Church (see Matt. 28:19).

Where “inter-religious dialogue”–which, properly defined, can be a good thing for certain purposes–would contradict with those higher laws, it is what should be subordinated, not the other way around.

 

[edward_george1]

Any reparation is his or the pope’s to be made.

The faithful are encouraged to make reparation to the Sacred Heart for all blasphemies and offenses against Jesus, Mary, and the Church. Reparation knows no jurisdiction. It is the duty of every Christian.

 

[Genesis315]

It has everything to do with it because you’re attacking/destroying/devaluing their culture and identity burning their sacred symbols.

To be fair, what people are reacting to is the incursion of Pachamama worship into the Church of God and its desecration of our holy places. It is completely defensive.

No offensive action is being taken against any authentic, good-faith practices of people who have not yet heard the Gospel. Nor should they be taken, other than the usual active mission to convert them through preaching the Word and good example from the emptiness of their idols–which are obstacles to salvation–to the truth which God desires all to come to the knowledge of to be saved. As history shows, sometimes this required dramatic actions (like St. Boniface did or like Daniel did with the worshippers of Bel, etc., etc.), but those were rare.

Charity for God which compels us to give Him honor where it was unjustly deprived Him, and charity for neighbor, which compels us to remove every scandal of religious indifferentism and every temptation to the vanity of idols or pantheism, cannot be supplanted by dialogue, especially if such dialogue would contradict, impede, or chill such charity. Dialogue can never replace this, only supplement it where appropriate, otherwise it too becomes an idol.

Do not make “inter-religious dialogue” an idol alongside Pachamama.

 

[edward_george1]

This is extremely inappropriate. To equate a reaction against pagan worship with Nazism is beyond the pale, and I would appreciate if you didn’t presume my ill will, nor anyone else’s.

Flagged.

 

[aroosi]

But Father, if the Pope himself told that it was a cultural display and there was no idolatrous intent what is this priest in Mexico making reparation for?

 

[edward_george1]

I find it hard to reconcile the statement that there is no idolatrous intent with actions that are in and of themselves idolatrous. That’s a bit like saying that if I run over someone with my car for the sake of performance art, but there is no murderous intent, then I’ve not committed murder.

 

[adgloriam]

To be fair, what people are reacting to is the incursion of Pachamama worship into the Church of God and its desecration of our holy places. It is completely defensive.

Hey listen @Genesis315 I really like your posting and I’m generally a fan of your writing. Put shortly I also lean conservative within doctrine as much as the next Catholic.

In fairness, in conscience, you’ll recognize much of the reactions (like applauding a public burning of sacred icons) is completely inappropriate in spirit and principle. It demonstrates underlying problems, issues, lack of comprehension, and lack of tolerance.

THE PROOF IS THIS BROTHER: none of the johnnies blowing a gasket over the issue were personally hurt, personally suffered damages, affected in their life or families. NONE OF THEM, not one personally affected!!

So, if you really wanna think in terms of inter-faith dialogue, the example you have to hold in mind is that of those who were affected in their lives, in their families, who suffered damages, objectively so.

The dialogue, in the Amazon case, in the field of anthropology !!! It doesn’t even begin to be a matter of iconoclasm, or false zeal - if anything it’s the negation of charity, and a complete lack of understanding.

Children in Spanish/Portuguese speaking world are taught to understand the Indians since grade school. The johnnies on this thread have little excuse to not exercise their reason.

 

[melonhead]

godisgood77:

This is unfortunate news…

Burning this symbol is a sign of intolerance and disdain… does nothing to bring people to the Catholic religion… in fact quite the opposite

Hey man, I’m amazed by the amount of hate mongers trying to rationalize themselves as holy.

It reminds of the Nazi’s and their process of dehumanizing. Yeah, some of the posters on this thread are an embarrassment, grade school children in South America are taught more comprehension for the Indians than these guys.

That’s a bit overboard, doncha think? Someone doesn’t want non-Catholic items in a Catholic church, and your first is to compare them to members of a literally genocidal regime without asking their opinion on deforestation, illegal (or even legal) logging and ranching, and how it impacts the indigenous people of a region?

 

[vz71]

Nice going @CarmeliteKnight at this point you’re echoing what borders misguided hate speech, (it is inherently xenophobic.)

Zeal for the one true God is not xenophobia.