Priest burns Pachamama idols

[vz71]

Burning this symbol is a sign of intolerance and disdain…

Absolutely.
No one that follows God should tolerate demon worship.

 

[Brendan_64]

Not a random priest who turns things into a public statement, burning figures of another religion,

I’m not commenting specifically on any actions carried out against these figures, but if these are figures of another religion then should they have any place in a Catholic church?

I can only hope that the figures were placed inside the church of Santa Maria in Transpontina as a result of a genuine belief that these figures represented the Blessed Virgin Mary, or as a result of a misguided (in my opinion) sense of celebration of cultural diversity. I would hope that they were not placed there in the belief that they were figures of another religion.

 

[vz71]

. I don’t think that is remotely the same as burning the symbol of another culture

Not a symbol of another culture.
A symbol of a false god. A pagan deity.
At best a myth, at worst a demon.

 

[vz71]

It has everything to do with it because you’re attacking/destroying/devaluing their culture and identity burning their sacred symbols.

No one devalues the culture.
We despise however false gods.

 

[melonhead]

At the same time, how many statues of Roman and Greek false deities were preserved and put in museums instead of being destroyed?

Removing the statues from the church I 100% support. Destroying them instead of placing in a museum or returning to people created them, while teaching them the Gospel, I have mixed views on.

 

[vz71]

THERE IS NO SPACE IN INTER-FAITH DIALOGUE FOR SUCH ACTIONS (such is catholic doctrine as the church defines it).

There are several examples in the Bible as well as several saints in history and God himself coming down as fire to say otherwise.

 

[vz71]

It reminds of the Nazi’s and their process of dehumanizing.

Godwin’s law.

You just lost credibility.

 

[edward_george1]

That honestly hasn’t the slightest thing to do with what I’ve said.

Cannibalism, infanticide, and so on are intrinsically disordered. I don’t care if it’s your culture or not.

 

[Crusader13]

Unfortunately the same old rhetoric is being tossed around in defense of idolatrous actions. I’ve noticed in several threads the argument always gets redirected towards cultural awareness and the need for tolerance.

The issue of idolatry and the pagan is always glossed over or outright denied in favor of focusing on the duty of the Church to be more accepting and welcoming of cultural practices and how they should be incorporated into the Mass.

 

[Vico]

…
Forgive me for not wanting to enable people in their idolatry.

St. Victor of Marseilles (martyr + 290 A.D.), a Roman soldier, would not offer incense to Jupiter, instead kicking the statue over. The emperor had him beheaded.

 

[Sarcelle]

I find it hard to reconcile the statement that there is no idolatrous intent with actions that are in and of themselves idolatrous. That’s a bit like saying that if I run over someone with my car for the sake of performance art, but there is no murderous intent, then I’ve not committed murder.

Do you think the Pope is lying when he said there is no idolatry intended?

 

[VanitasVanitatum]

“A friend exorcist says that this idol (Pachamama) is actually the figure of the antichrist. It is a blasphemy and parody of Mary. Pachamama is pregnant but carries the antichrist to give birth to him in the Masonic church, to destroy the sacraments, which is to return to idolatry and superstition. So, this antichrist who is to give birth to a church with an ‘Amazonian face’ is an abomination, it is a contradiction to Church doctrine, which is the dynamic into which these idolaters want to enter into now,” he said.

That’s hardly credible.

does nothing to bring people to the Catholic religion… in fact quite the opposite

Panchamama wasn’t any better.

 

[Aquinas11]

Catholic in 290AD = “Go ahead and behead me, I’m not bowing to Idols”

Catholic in 2019AD: “Don’t unfriend me on Facebook! I’ll bow to the Idols!”

 

[Elias]

Good. Lord knows we need more acts of reparation and penance to get those thorns out of our Blessed Mother’s immaculate heart.

Those satanic idols to the earth have no place anywhere in civilization, least of all God’s house.

 

[edward_george1]

I can’t know his intentions, and whether he intended to lie or obfuscate or whatever. If I were to speak to him, I would ask him how it is that he says that there is no idolatrous intent, and yet his actions seem to say something else. I just find his words and his actions contradictory.

 

[Vico]

edward_george1:

I find it hard to reconcile the statement that there is no idolatrous intent with actions that are in and of themselves idolatrous. That’s a bit like saying that if I run over someone with my car for the sake of performance art, but there is no murderous intent, then I’ve not committed murder.

Do you think the Pope is lying when he said there is no idolatry intended?

CNA reports that “One of the statues was presented to Pope Francis, by a woman who referred to it as “Our Lady of the Amazon.” The pope blessed the statue.”

Amazon Synod: Ecological ritual performed in Vatican gardens for pope’s tree planting ceremony | Catholic News Agency

The statues have on them the words Manaus, Am. There is chapel called Nossa Senhora da Amazônia (“Our Lady of the Amazon) in Manaus, Brazil.

 

[edward_george1]

According to the transcript provided by the Vatican, the pope referred to the statues as “Pachamama,” the name traditionally given to an Andean fertility goddess, which can be roughly translated as “Mother Earth.”

https://catholicherald.co.uk/news/2...-synod-pachamama-was-thrown-into-tiber-river/

 

[po18guy]

It seems to me that an awful lot of people are flying off the handle while possessing maybe half the story. These idols are now so famous that there may actually be more worshippers now than before.

Activism feels good, but it disengages the brain in many cases. I have yet to see anyone on their knees regarding this situation.

 

[Vico]

According to the transcript provided by the Vatican, the pope referred to the statues as “Pachamama,” the name traditionally given to an Andean fertility goddess, which can be roughly translated as “Mother Earth.”
…

And from the same article:

The pope said they had been displayed in the church “without idolatrous intentions,” according to a transcript provided by the Vatican press office.

If you listen to the recording of the presentation the woman says in Spanish:

Our Lady of the Amazon, [inaudible] of the Church .”
Nuestra Señora de la Amazonia, [con el huevo] de la Iglesia.

13:51

 

[Fauken]

And from the same article:

The pope said they had been displayed in the church “without idolatrous intentions,” according to a transcript provided by the Vatican press office.

That’s a bit like saying that if I run over someone with my car for the sake of performance art, but there is no murderous intent, then I’ve not committed murder.

I don’t see how a lack of intentions helps.