Priest In Texas Newspaper: "Homosexual Acts Lead To The Damnation Of Souls" [EWTN]

[1holycatholic]

I made no such attempt to “disprove” anything.

I wouldn’t call failure to disprove a particular Church teaching “no such attempt.” You tried, you really tried.

Would you please stop focusing on me. There is a topic here.

Exactly. You’re drifting off topic with comments like “I have simply been probing some posters here that post in a self-righteous tone” etc…

Catechism of the Catholic Church:

Chastity and homosexuality

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

That’s it, lock stock and barrel.

 

[larkin31]

I wouldn’t call failure to disprove a particular Church teaching “no such attempt.” You tried, you really tried.

I have tried to “disprove” nothing. Your misrepresentations of my motivations and efforts are very curious to me.

to “disagree” is not to “disprove”

and I am more interested in the methodology of Catholic thinking and reasoning then I am in the particulars of “dogma”. Dogma comes in many many varieties around the world. I am more interested in the reasoning that moves Catholics from certain Biblical passages to dogma and doctrine that is far larger than the compass of scripture. Some steps appear rational; some do not.

 

[Dale_M]

I don’t minister to homosexuals. Fr. Rodriguez does …

I haven’t seem any news about that. Would you happen to have a link?

This, of course, has nothing to do with Fr. Rodriguez public statements about homosexuality, which are certainly in line with the Catholic Church. I am just surprised to read that Fr. Rodriguez has a homosexual ministry.

 

[rlg94086]

I haven’t seem any news about that. Would you happen to have a link?

This, of course, has nothing to do with Fr. Rodriguez public statements about homosexuality, which are certainly in line with the Catholic Church. I am just surprised to read that Fr. Rodriguez has a homosexual ministry.

I’m not sure that is what was meant. One can minister to homosexuals without having a special “homosexual ministry.”. It’s called being a Pastor.

 

[Dale_M]

I’m not sure that is what was meant. One can minister to homosexuals without having a special “homosexual ministry.”. It’s called being a Pastor.

A reasonable statement. But it assumes that Fr. Rodriguez actually has parishioners who identify as homosexual. So far I haven’t seen any indication of that. And it has been noted that his parish is small.

 

[rlg94086]

A reasonable statement. But it assumes that Fr. Rodriguez actually has parishioners who identify as homosexual. So far I haven’t seen any indication of that. And it has been noted that his parish is small.

So, you want him to out some parishioners who are struggling with same-sex attraction in order to demonstrate that he has ministered to them? For what purpose?

 

[Dale_M]

So, you want him to out some parishioners who are struggling with same-sex attraction in order to demonstrate that he has ministered to them? For what purpose?

C’mon, giving the indication that he is pastoring homosexuals is not the same thing as outing parishioners. Perhaps he is pastoring such individuals, but there is no reason to believe that he is. That is all I am saying.

 

[Robert_Bay]

NOTICE

Please post charitably

Please discuss the issues, not each other

Please stay on the topic of the original post

 

[wisdomseeker]

Not that I could see, no. It begins with a very different tone, however, and asks bishops not to contribute to injustice toward gays and to examine and purify their own hearts first around this matter of relating to gays. I have simply been probing some posters here that post in a self-righteous tone to see if they will grant the issues that the bishops’ council acknowledges. So far, only you have.

And thanks again, by the way.

I, too, must work daily on my prejudices.

i think you are trying to read something that is not there. the teachings of the CC is very clear on this issue.

what it has been said is that we should not treat them bad. that is all it says. but that doesnt mean that the Church is going to remain silent about this sin. it is a sin. some will try to hide and some will come right out and say. fr. rodriguez did the right thing. of course everytime the Church points out the sins of man, the devil is going to retaliate. this is expected. remember John the Baptist?

Larkin, who is your master?

 

[larkin31]

i think you are trying to read something that is not there. the teachings of the CC is very clear on this issue.

what it has been said is that we should not treat them bad. that is all it says.

Well, it goes a bit beyond this. It requests that each bishop examine his own heart to make sure that it is not in need of purification in terms of love and charity of spirit towards gays.

the rest of your post is about me (and not the topic), and I would rather not respond to that.

 

[sedonaman]

… I would rather this be preached from the pulpit.

This is an important point. I recently heard a priest criticize his fellow priests for not addressing important issues from the pulpit because if it doesn’t come from the pulpit, it’s not perceived by the laity as important. In this case, the laity would probably perceive the article as just another political opinion since it came from a newspaper.

 

[Sherry_G]

This is an important point. I recently heard a priest criticize his fellow priests for not addressing important issues from the pulpit because if it doesn’t come from the pulpit, it’s not perceived by the laity as important. In this case, the laity would probably perceive the article as just another political opinion since it came from a newspaper.

While I do agree that the entire message about our faith should be preached from the pulpit, I applaud our priests, bishops and archbishops who use the public forum to speak, preach and write what the Gospel teaches without mincing words or trying to be “politically correct” which is a term thought up by those who would silence the truth. Bravo to Fr. Rodriguez. I will definitely send him an encouraging letter via snail mail and keep him in my prayers as the devil will be attacking him in every possible way.

 

[John_Pascendi]

He is right. Killing babies and not producing any is a good way to end the human race.

The truth is the truth and it’s that simple. Let’s vote for good people who will help us make changes for the better.

Yes,so heartening to hear a priest declare it so. Also add that certain acts performed on each other viz; such as fisting…is hardly healthy. We must fight intolerance with knowledge.yes,but once we know what it is…lets not just fall back and surrender the field.Its sad how so many child movie stars never seem to live long…they are abused also and need our prayers.

 

[wisdomseeker]

fr. rodriguez is a holy man. may God lift him up high.

youtube.com/user/RealCatholicTV#p/a/u/0/2HTaxNWJlkY

 

[Tigg]

Regarding the previously posted document from the USCCB, and the exhortation to extend charity to the homosexual community, I don’t know if we have mentioned Cardinal Ouellet on this thread or not. He is the prefect of the Vatican’s Congregation for Bishops, and will help in the appointment of new bishops. He recently made these statements to them:

Bishops “need spiritual discernment and not just political calculation of the risk of the possibility of the message being received…….We have to dare to speak to the deep heart, where the Spirit of the Lord is touching people beyond what we can calculate.” The cardinal, further, said the Church needs what Gyapong called a “new intellectual dynamism” to “recapture the spirit of Christianity” and “create a new Christian culture.”

“We need intellectuals for that, theologians, philosophers, Christians who really believe in the Gospel and share the doctrine of the Church on moral questions,” he said. “We have suffered from this mentality of dissent” that is “still dominating the intelligentsia.”

Ouellet said that in addition to fearlessly preaching the teachings of the Church, bishops must embrace them deeply. “Then you have the power of conviction,” he said.

In his new role he said he will seek out bold “men of faith” with “the guts to help people live it out.”

lifesitenews.com/ldn/2010/aug/10081903.html

I believe Fr. Rodriquez can be categorized in the last sentence. And I interpret the Cardinal’s comments to mean “speak the truth of the Church and forget about being politically correct.”

Our love for the Church will be interpreted as being self righteous and condemning of others and we will be accused of sins against charity. It will be used as a battering ram to silence God’s truth. However, we need to look to the good cardinal’s words and be encouraged:

“the (real) discipleship that is emerging is from those who believe and who really love the Church.”

 

[TexCatholic4JMJ]

Tigg,
Thanks for posting those quotes. I am so gladdened when I read about such courageous
men of God. Let us pray that many who have had deaf ears and hard hearts will hear these
words and have their hearts softened.

 

[Gandalf]

Here’s what the opposing priest had to say:

Rev. Rodriguez dogmatically states many absolutes that are not, in reality, dogmatic absolutes. It was erroneous for him to base his position regarding City Council on the claim that the Catholic Church has taught “infallibly” on the issue of homosexuality. In fact, the Catholic Church has never taught infallibly on this or any other moral issue, although, it does teach binding moral principles on many issues. The Church also teaches about the absolute supremacy of the individual conscience enlightened by the Gospel of Christ. God alone is the sole judge of the human conscience

It is scary that he is still is allowed to hold a position in the diocese a San Antonio.

i agree with you there mate all these people here are hippocits talking of how we all shall suffer and how they need to stop homosexuality and things like that. i feel offended because i am a strong Catholic and i see God our Father as the only judge as you said yourself and judgement from others is morally wrong as they all like to say that everything else is all immoral well they get on my nerves because i have feelings towards other boys and im 16 and people will say that i am just in puberty and mixed up at the minute but im not i was born that way and i hate the fact that i am not allowed to show my affection to others. i know that sex should only occur in marrige and that is why i am tryiing to live a life that i don’t engage in homosexual behaviour because of my fear of God but God is forgiving and maybe those who act upon their homosexuality are dammed but i disagree no one knows the judgement of God and if he can forgive adulterers and murders then he can forgive homosexuals and i dont want any quotes from the old testement from any others reading because it to me is too inaccurate and is not the God who i love and who loves me. the old testement is not true in the teachings e.g to if in need eat another humans’ flesh or it is sinful to have children with opposite races now that is rubbish!!! thanks mate for your answer it is the trueist and most relevant answer there has been so far thanks

 

[cyb]

Great post, Tigg.

 

[larkin31]

Regarding the previously posted document from the USCCB, and the exhortation to extend charity to the homosexual community, I don’t know if we have mentioned Cardinal Ouellet on this thread or not. He is the prefect of the Vatican’s Congregation for Bishops, and will help in the appointment of new bishops. He recently made these statements to them:

Bishops “need spiritual discernment and not just political calculation of the risk of the possibility of the message being received…….We have to dare to speak to the deep heart, where the Spirit of the Lord is touching people beyond what we can calculate.” The cardinal, further, said the Church needs what Gyapong called a “new intellectual dynamism” to “recapture the spirit of Christianity” and “create a new Christian culture.”

I respect this position.

 

[wisdomseeker]

i agree with you there mate all these people here are hippocits talking of how we all shall suffer and how they need to stop homosexuality and things like that. i feel offended because i am a strong Catholic and i see God our Father as the only judge as you said yourself and judgement from others is morally wrong as they all like to say that everything else is all immoral well they get on my nerves because i have feelings towards other boys and im 16 and people will say that i am just in puberty and mixed up at the minute but im not i was born that way and i hate the fact that i am not allowed to show my affection to others. i know that sex should only occur in marrige and that is why i am tryiing to live a life that i don’t engage in homosexual behaviour because of my fear of God but God is forgiving and maybe those who act upon their homosexuality are dammed but i disagree no one knows the judgement of God and if he can forgive adulterers and murders then he can forgive homosexuals and i dont want any quotes from the old testement from any others reading because it to me is too inaccurate and is not the God who i love and who loves me. the old testement is not true in the teachings e.g to if in need eat another humans’ flesh or it is sinful to have children with opposite races now that is rubbish!!! thanks mate for your answer it is the trueist and most relevant answer there has been so far thanks

So, you dont believe the Word of God? or you just dont belive when the Word of God condemns sins? i am not judging condemning you, God will do that. yes, God loves us, God also loved the Jews very much, but that did not stop Him from punishing the Jews when they took the wrong turn. did He ?