Priest In Texas Newspaper: "Homosexual Acts Lead To The Damnation Of Souls" [EWTN]

[wisdomseeker]

Well in my experience with seminarians there really hasn’t been much of a change. I know of many with SSA and yet no mass exodus from the seminaries has occurred. It seems like most seminaries are more than willing to accept such people as long as they aren’t acting out their attractions and fit the other criteria of a Priest. I don’t really have a problem with this anyway because all the seminarians I know who fit this description would make excellent priests, and I honestly feel like the Church should have issued clearer language in their letter to the seminaries regarding the issue.

you dont have a problem with feminized man teaching and preaching in the CC?

have we not had enough of this already? with all due respect to those who want to be priets, very few may be intentionally good, but how do we know how many of them?

some in teh Church still are going by psychology advice when they should be going by God’s teachings. how is that the Church still allowing such a thing?

how about the children?

clearer we see the gay agenda continuing to infiltrate the Church. they have already done in the protestants communities. but their main goal is the CC.
how terrible for the CC to follow the world and abandon God 's ways. how can we escape the wrath of God?

 

[wisdomseeker]

Father Rodriguez’ Bishop, Bishop Ochoa of El Paso, has now weighed into the dispute. He wrote his own OpEd column to clarify that “previous columns claiming to speak for Catholic Doctrine were the personal opinions of individuals and do not necessarily express the belief of the Catholic Church.” He also wrote to remind all that harsh words and condemnation was not Christ’s way, and should not be ours:
He cautioned that his point was not that the Church’s teaching should change, but that Christians are called to extend those teaching with compassion and love for all, noting that

His conclusion:

elpasotimes.com/ci_15852840

father said the Truth with love and compassion. the Truth should not be hidden from no one. how are they to know if they are not told. this is the problem with the Church today, no one is allowed to speak against sins. no wonder the people continue in their destructive behaviour and we Catholics are known to be the most sinners in teh world. just take a look at Catholic countries. it is horrifying what they are doing. all because our leaders continue to refuse to speak the Truth about sin. they are just allowing everything, they continue with that idea of follow your conscience. St John the Baptist had no problem pointing out the sins of man. this bishop coming against the priest who spoke the Truth, is only giving more support for those who are sinning and have no need for repentence. this bishop is doing contrary to what God has commanded them to do.
i bet that the gay guy is pretty happy now, he is probably saying, see! this priest doesnt understand the Church’s teaching. it is what i always believed. very sad for this bishop to not stand for fr rodriguez. he is probably against Cardinal Ouelet too.

 

[cyb]

i bet that the gay guy is pretty happy now, he is probably saying, see! this priest doesnt understand the Church’s teaching. it is what i always believed…

This is so true. And the Bishop sends yet another confused message to the world.

During the ABC interview, the gay activist basically told the priest he was wrong about what the Catholic Church really teaches - the Church really teaches that God is love, God loves everyone, etc. This from a man who is no longer Catholic. And yet he feels secure in telling the world what Catholics are really supposed to believe. That was very insulting to Fr. Rodriguez.

And yet here is the Bishop swiftly coming out to contradict Rodriguez’ words by saying he does not speak for the Catholic Church. So essentially the gay activist has more of a friend in the Bishop than this Priest has. Unfortunately, this doesn’t surprise me, as I’m sure it doesn’t surprise Fr. Rodriguez.

As to the idea that it is ok to ordain men with same-sex attraction: by the Church’s own definition, it can’t be ok. I understand the argument that if the man is chaste and good it makes no difference. However, when the CC teaches that same-sex attraction is intrinsically disordered, it is a contradiction to say that people who struggle with this are healthy enough for the priesthood.

 

[TMC]

This is so true. And the Bishop sends yet another confused message to the world.

During the ABC interview, the gay activist basically told the priest he was wrong about what the Catholic Church really teaches - the Church really teaches that God is love, God loves everyone, etc. This from a man who is no longer Catholic. And yet he feels secure in telling the world what Catholics are really supposed to believe. That was very insulting to Fr. Rodriguez.

And yet here is the Bishop swiftly coming out to contradict Rodriguez’ words by saying he does not speak for the Catholic Church. So essentially the gay activist has more of a friend in the Bishop than this Priest has. Unfortunately, this doesn’t surprise me, as I’m sure it doesn’t surprise Fr. Rodriguez.

As to the idea that it is ok to ordain men with same-sex attraction: by the Church’s own definition, it can’t be ok. I understand the argument that if the man is chaste and good it makes no difference. However, when the CC teaches that same-sex attraction is intrinsically disordered, it is a contradiction to say that people who struggle with this are healthy enough for the priesthood.

Are you suggesting that God does not love everyone?

Are there specific errors in the Bishop’s OpEd–what do find wrong with it?

 

[larkin31]

This is so true. And the Bishop sends yet another confused message to the world.

During the ABC interview, the gay activist basically told the priest he was wrong about what the Catholic Church really teaches - the Church really teaches that God is love, God loves everyone, etc. This from a man who is no longer Catholic. And yet he feels secure in telling the world what Catholics are really supposed to believe. That was very insulting to Fr. Rodriguez.

And yet here is the Bishop swiftly coming out to contradict Rodriguez’ words by saying he does not speak for the Catholic Church. So essentially the gay activist has more of a friend in the Bishop than this Priest has. Unfortunately, this doesn’t surprise me, as I’m sure it doesn’t surprise Fr. Rodriguez…

This is from the intro of the letter to American Bishops, 2006, from the USCCB:

In keeping with this conviction, the Church teaches that persons with a homosexual inclination “must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity.”2 We recognize that these persons have been, and often continue to be, objects of scorn, hatred, and even violence in some sectors of our society. Sometimes this hatred is manifested clearly; other times, it is masked and gives rise to more disguised forms of hatred. “It is deplorable that homosexual
persons have been and are the object of violent malice in speech or in action. Such treatment deserves condemnation from the Church’s pastors wherever it occurs.”3

Those who would minister in the name of the Church must in no way contribute to such
injustice. They should prayerfully examine their own hearts in order to discern any thoughts or feelings that might stand in need of purification. Those who minister are also called to growth in holiness. In fact, the work of spreading the Good News involves an ever-increasing love for those to whom one is ministering by calling them to the truth of Jesus Christ.4

As you can see, love for all God’s creation is much touted here, and examination of self for prejudice and sin comes first.

 

[1holycatholic]

Are you suggesting that God does not love everyone?

Are there specific errors in the Bishop’s OpEd–what do find wrong with it?

The op-ed piece was confusing because, while accurate, it sidesteps an unpopular truth: dying in unrepentant mortal sin means eternal separation from God.

 

[buffalo]

How can something so simple be so confusing.

Love the sinner hate the sin.

 

[estesbob]

Are you suggesting that God does not love everyone?

Are there specific errors in the Bishop’s OpEd–what do find wrong with it?

The problem is the Bishop seems to be making a moral equivalence between the priest who correctly stated Catholic teaching and the Priest who misstated it. You don’t show love by affirming people sin.

 

[TMC]

The problem is the Bishop seems to be making a moral equivalence between the priest who correctly stated Catholic teaching and the Priest who misstated it. You don’t show love by affirming people sin.

I believe his point was that both priests misstated Church teaching, and that you also don’t show love through harsh words and condemnation.

 

[estesbob]

I believe his point was that both priests misstated Church teaching, and that you also don’t show love through harsh words and condemnation.

So you disagree with the Priest that homosexual acts lead to the damnation of the soul? Can you show us how that is contrary to church teaching?

 

[wisdomseeker]

This is from the intro of the letter to American Bishops, 2006, from the USCCB:

As you can see, love for all God’s creation is much touted here, and examination of self for prejudice and sin comes first.

does this say that we must receive all homosexuals and their partners without telling them they are living in sin? is it what this is saying?

 

[wisdomseeker]

Are you suggesting that God does not love everyone?

Are there specific errors in the Bishop’s OpEd–what do find wrong with it?

what does that mean to you? God loves everyone? are you sugesting that God accepts homosexuals without any condemnation? are you saying that it is ok with God?

 

[wisdomseeker]

This is from the intro of the letter to American Bishops, 2006, from the USCCB:

As you can see, love for all God’s creation is much touted here, and examination of self for prejudice and sin comes first.

what prejudice? if a priest tell people their sins, the priest is commiting a sin?

 

[buffalo]

I believe his point was that both priests misstated Church teaching, and that you also don’t show love through harsh words and condemnation.

How did Fr Rodriguez misstate Church teaching?

 

[wisdomseeker]

This is from the intro of the letter to American Bishops, 2006, from the USCCB:

As you can see, love for all God’s creation is much touted here, and examination of self for prejudice and sin comes first.

this goes for everyone even bishops. should we obey God or man?

“FOR THE WRATH OF GOD IS REVEALED FROM HEAVEN AGAINST ALL UNGODLINESS AND WICKEDNESS OF THOSE MEN WHO IN WICKEDNESS HOLD BACK THE TRUTH OF GOD.”
ROMANS 1:18

“BUT WRATH AND INDIGNATION TO THOSE WHO ARE CONTENTIOUS, AND WHO DO NOT SUBMIT TO THE TRUTH BUT ASSENT TO INIQUITY.”
ROMANS 2:8

“Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord.” Prov 12:22

“A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaks lies shall not escape.” Prov 19:5

“Therefore GOD has given them up in the lustful desires of their heart to uncleanliness, so that they dishonor their own bodies among themselves - they who exchanged the truth of GOD for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator who is Blessed forever. Amen.”
Romans 1:24-25

“O Lord, thy eyes are upon truth; thou hast struck them, and they have not grieved; thou hast bruised them, and they have refused to receive correction; they have made their faces harder than the rock, and they have refused to return.”
Jer 5:3

“For there will come a time when they will not endure the sound doctrine; but having itching ears, will heap up to themselves teachers according to their own lusts, and they will turn away their hearing from the truth and turn aside rather to fables.”
2Tim 4:3-4

Ezekiel 3:18-19, “Suppose I tell you that wicked people will surely die, but you don’t warn them or speak out so that they can change their wicked ways in order to save their lives. Then these wicked people will die because of their sin, but I will hold you responsible for their deaths. But suppose you warn the wicked people, and they don’t turn from their wicked ways. Then they will die because of their sin, but you will save yourself.”

I suppose you will say to God that He is not very charitable.

 

[wisdomseeker]

I believe his point was that both priests misstated Church teaching, and that you also don’t show love through harsh words and condemnation.

do not hide the Truth. to the charitable people here. this may be very uncharitable.

Ephesians 5:11, “Take no part in the fruits of darkness, but instead expose them.”

Romans 1:18, “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and wickedness of men who by their wickedness suppress the truth.”

Romans 2:5-8, “But by your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed. For he will render to every man according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; but for those who are factious and do not obey the truth, but obey wickedness, there will be wrath and fury.”

Psalms 95:10-11, “For forty years I loathed that generation and said, they are a people who err in heart, and they do not regard my ways. Therefore I swore in my anger that they should not enter my rest.”

“Not to oppose error is to approve it; and not to defend truth is to suppress it”.
Pope St. Felix III (483-492)

 

[Tigg]

I believe his point was that both priests misstated Church teaching, and that you also don’t show love through harsh words and condemnation.

Since the mission of the Church is the salvation of souls, the ultimate good (and LOVE) for our fellow man would be to desire eternal life for them. Therefore, how is love shown to them by neglecting to tell them that very truth which gives life? Indeed, it is a spiritual work of mercy.

 

[wisdomseeker]

Since the mission of the Church is the salvation of souls, the ultimate good (and LOVE) for our fellow man would be to desire eternal life for them. Therefore, how is love shown to them by neglecting to tell them that very truth which will gives life? Indeed, it is a spiritual work of mercy.

We are in such a great danger. we might not realize but what the devil is doing to us is that we must substitute love for Truth as if they are contrary to each other. Truth took a place a very scare place in our world to the point if we speak the Truth we are being uncharitable. the sinners are taking the authority and are using the word charity to abolish Truth.
if i could build a temple for God, these would be the Scripture i would place right above the doors in front the Church.

"Therefore GOD has given them up in the lustful desires of their heart to uncleanliness, so that they dishonor their own bodies among themselves - they who exchanged the truth of GOD for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator who is Blessed forever. Amen."
Romans 1:24-25

 

[larkin31]

what prejudice? if a priest tell people their sins, the priest is commiting a sin?

Ask your bishop which sins they mean may have to be “purified” from your heart (or his) in this matter. They wrote the document. Clearly, the bishops are responding to the prejudice and discrimination and hatred that they know gays are subjected to and have been subjected to, even from Catholics, and even from Catholic bishops. I assume that you do not mean to claim that you have no chance for sin in this area. I sure do, and I consciously work on it frequently.

If you consider following this announcement against your conscience, or against God, then I think that you have a real problem with following Catholic dogma and hierarchy. That is not problematic for me. But I imagine that that is pretty rare for traditional Catholics, especially those who espouse obedience to doctrine.

 

[larkin31]

We are in such a great danger. we might not realize but what the devil is doing to us is that we must substitute love for Truth as if they are contrary to each other. Truth took a place a very scare place in our world to the point if we speak the Truth we are being uncharitable. the sinners are taking the authority and are using the word charity to abolish Truth.
if i could build a temple for God, these would be the Scripture i would place right above the doors in front the Church.

"Therefore GOD has given them up in the lustful desires of their heart to uncleanliness, so that they dishonor their own bodies among themselves - they who exchanged the truth of GOD for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator who is Blessed forever. Amen."
Romans 1:24-25

Are you suggesting that the devil is at work even in the language of the letter to American Bishops from the USCCB that I quoted above?

Here is the complete document, 26 pages long: usccb.org/doctrine/Ministry.pdf