Priest tells RH bill supporters to leave Mass

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The RH Bill is the controversial bill in the Congress of the Philippines which seeks to publicly fund population control programs by making artificial birth control more accessible to the poor people of the nation.

Here’s the story:
BAGUIO CITY, Philippines – A priest at the Baguio Cathedral drew flak from some Catholics after he ordered people supporting the reproductive health bill to leave the church and stop hearing Mass.
His remarks drew outrage from some parishioners, who walked out in consternation.
The priest, whose identity was withheld, used his sermon to mock supporters of the bill such as former Akbayan party-list Rep. Risa Hontiveros-Baraquel.
“Kung meron nakikimisa dito pero pro-RH bill (If anyone here is participating (in Mass) but is pro-RH bill) … Please, go out. It’s useless,” the priest said.
“What is this mass for if you are pro-RH bill? What is going to Church for if you’re pro-RH bill?” he asked.
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I give the priest credit for calling out the lax catholics but throwing them out may have been overkill. He should clearly state what the church’s position on abortion is, much like priests for life does here in the united states.
 
I give the priest credit for calling out the lax catholics but throwing them out may have been overkill. He should clearly state what the church’s position on abortion is, much like priests for life does here in the united states.
Hahaha, over here in the western world our priests don’t do enough apparently, and over in the east they do overkill! 😃
 
I opt for overkill than silence from the pulpit.
I don’t opt for either. Surely there is a way of approaching this issue without throwing the baby out with the bathwater. It seems to me the priest in question lacks both imagination and charity.
 
I don’t opt for either. Surely there is a way of approaching this issue without throwing the baby out with the bathwater. It seems to me the priest in question lacks both imagination and charity.
I agree with you here. People may start off as supporting the bill, but through the Holy Spirit, a homily (or several) may convince them to change their minds.
 
This RH bill and the whole population reduction program seems out of place. Its proponents say it will be a solution to the problem called poverty. They seem to be missing their target very badly.
Will a reduction in population eliminate poverty? Is it not greed the culprit?
Someone, appearing to be searching for something was asked:
“What are you looking for?”
“A lost coin,” was the answer.
“Did you lose it here?” “No, some ten meters away,” was the answer.
“Then, search for it there! Are you out of your mind?”
“But there is no light there. It is more convenient to look for it here where there are lots of lamps.”
Eliminating poverty can surely be achieved by extinguishing greed since there are needy because of the greedy.
 
I agree with his passion about the matter but disagree with how he handled it.
 
I agree with his passion about the matter but disagree with how he handled it.
I agree. On the other hand I want to support this priest. For sure the promoters of the culture of death want to get their hands on him
 
Surely there is a way of approaching this issue without throwing the baby out with the bathwater. It seems to me the priest in question lacks both imagination and charity.
Did Jesus lack imagination and charity when he overturned tables at the Temple of Jerusalem? We have to be careful that we do not impute a negative strain on priests who openly speak of the hypocrisy committed by anti-life and anti-family Catholics.
 
I don’t opt for either. Surely there is a way of approaching this issue without throwing the baby out with the bathwater. It seems to me the priest in question lacks both imagination and charity.
You are right.
Refusing to give them Holy Communion (while in the State of Mortal Sin - supporting abortion and/or artificial contraception) would be the way to go.

Can. 915 Those who have been excommunicated or interdicted after the imposition or declaration of the penalty and others obstinately persevering in manifest grave sin are not to be admitted to holy communion.

And if they are obsinate, they commit heresy or schism which is an excommunicatable offense.
 
Did Jesus lack imagination and charity when he overturned tables at the Temple of Jerusalem? We have to be careful that we do not impute a negative strain on priests who openly speak of the hypocrisy committed by anti-life and anti-family Catholics.
This is a very good point. The priest is doing his job by not mincing words and telling the people straight out that they’re not behaving like Catholics by supporting this bill. What’s the point of them going to mass if they’re not practicing their faith? Better for them to go home and think about what they’re doing to their souls instead of pretending everything’s alright.
 
You are right.
Refusing to give them Holy Communion (while in the State of Mortal Sin - supporting abortion and/or artificial contraception) would be the way to go.

Can. 915 Those who have been excommunicated or interdicted after the imposition or declaration of the penalty and others obstinately persevering in manifest grave sin are not to be admitted to holy communion.

And if they are obsinate, they commit heresy or schism which is an excommunicatable offense.
But how do you make this happen? Turn the communion line into a question and answer line with, “do you support the RH Bill?” If yes then no Eucharist. 🤷

In a way the priest wasn’t personally attacking anyone except for the politician whom he singled out. We have a saying in the Philippines, “bato-bato sa langit, ang tamaan wag magagalit.” (rock on the sky, whoever gets hit should not get angry). Usually when someone makes a statement that could hurt someone’s feelings, but its said in a way that its not directly pointed at someone specific and its left to each one’s conscience if they will get hurt by the statement or not.
 
Did Jesus lack imagination and charity when he overturned tables at the Temple of Jerusalem? We have to be careful that we do not impute a negative strain on priests who openly speak of the hypocrisy committed by anti-life and anti-family Catholics.
No, I don’t think Jesus lacked imagination or charity when he overturned the tables in the Temple of Jerusalem, but I do think this priest lacked imagination and charity. He could have approached the issue in a less confrontational way, allowing those members of the community who are in error to reflect on their mistakes and, with dignity, approach the issue from a different perspective. He could have started a dialogue which would have allowed the entire community to understand why those who supported the bill are wrong. He could have worked in such a way as to not alienate others, even those who support his position, by his heavy handed, we versus them attitude. Self righteousness is not the same thing as righteousness, and yet this poor priest has opened himself up to this charge in the way he approached the issue. As for Jesus, his ministry for three years was one of engaging the community in dialogue and attempting to build ties with those who needed change. His miracles were worked not only for those who believed as he did, but for those who did not as well. All he asked for was faith in him, not a member’s card. Jesus overturned the tables in the temple after three years of ministry and dialogue. His first call for change was not one of confrontation, but of communication. surely the priest in question could have discovered a better way to approach the issue than by creating division within the very community he is called to serve. The priest is correct in asking people to reflect on the positions they hold which may spiritually separate them from the Church, but he is incorrect, at this stage, in asking those people to separate themselves physically from the community.
 
My wife is from Baguio, Philippines. I was there just last June…I have been to the Cathedral many times. I probably have seen this priest…wow…

Too bad they’re not giving such stern, powerful, brave admonishions against cohabitation, premarital sex, and homosexuality. These sins PLAGUE the Philippines. I have never seen so much cohabitation, open homosexual glorification, and out of wedlock babies as in my trips to the Philippines. My wife doesn’t even recognize her home country since it has fallen to sin so greatly. She can’t believe how sinful the media is and how the people are ok with these lifestyles. My wife’s own family is littered with it. The Philippines may be Catholic, but birth control and this priest’s concerns are just the tip of the iceberg…
 
But how do you make this happen? Turn the communion line into a question and answer line with, “do you support the RH Bill?” If yes then no Eucharist. 🤷

In a way the priest wasn’t personally attacking anyone except for the politician whom he singled out. We have a saying in the Philippines, “bato-bato sa langit, ang tamaan wag magagalit.” (rock on the sky, whoever gets hit should not get angry). Usually when someone makes a statement that could hurt someone’s feelings, but its said in a way that its not directly pointed at someone specific and its left to each one’s conscience if they will get hurt by the statement or not.
Except for those who have committed public Scandal that the Priests know about,
the Priest will have done his job if he clearly states prior to Mass that supporting the RH bill is a Mortal Sin, and the reasons why it is a Mortal Sin.
Then he must state that recieving Communion in the State of Mortal Sin is a Sacrilege which is an additional Mortal sin. And that no one in the State of Mortal Sin may receive Holy Communion.
If anyone in the State of Mortal Sin receives Holy Communion anyway, they take their chances with God’s justice.
The Priest will have done his job. No one expects the Priest to be a mind-reader.
 
Except for those who have committed public Scandal that the Priests know about,
the Priest will have done his job if he clearly states prior to Mass that supporting the RH bill is a Mortal Sin, and the reasons why it is a Mortal Sin.
Then he must state that recieving Communion in the State of Mortal Sin is a Sacrilege which is an additional Mortal sin. And that no one in the State of Mortal Sin may receive Holy Communion.
If anyone in the State of Mortal Sin receives Holy Communion anyway, they take their chances with God’s justice.
The Priest will have done his job. No one expects the Priest to be a mind-reader.
But the priest also doesn’t know who are the supporters of the bill. He made a statement and if no one budged then he wouldn’t know.
 
No, I don’t think Jesus lacked imagination or charity when he overturned the tables in the Temple of Jerusalem, but I do think this priest lacked imagination and charity. He could have approached the issue in a less confrontational way, allowing those members of the community who are in error to reflect on their mistakes and, with dignity, approach the issue from a different perspective. He could have started a dialogue which would have allowed the entire community to understand why those who supported the bill are wrong. He could have worked in such a way as to not alienate others, even those who support his position, by his heavy handed, we versus them attitude. Self righteousness is not the same thing as righteousness, and yet this poor priest has opened himself up to this charge in the way he approached the issue. As for Jesus, his ministry for three years was one of engaging the community in dialogue and attempting to build ties with those who needed change. His miracles were worked not only for those who believed as he did, but for those who did not as well. All he asked for was faith in him, not a member’s card. Jesus overturned the tables in the temple after three years of ministry and dialogue. His first call for change was not one of confrontation, but of communication. surely the priest in question could have discovered a better way to approach the issue than by creating division within the very community he is called to serve. The priest is correct in asking people to reflect on the positions they hold which may spiritually separate them from the Church, but he is incorrect, at this stage, in asking those people to separate themselves physically from the community.
As I have mentioned previously, we have to be careful that we do not impute a negative strain on priests who openly speak of the hypocrisy committed by anti-life and anti-family Catholics. How are priests being self-righteous when preaching what the Catholic Church teaches? When the priest in this case reminded the anti-life and anti-family Catholics that their disputes with Catholic teaching are incompatible with their worship of God, it was up to those Catholics to stay and reflect. That they chose to leave shows that the anti-life and anti-family Catholics were more concerned with their prestige than God’s. If they needed Him, they would have stayed notwithstanding the scolding from the pulpit.

We also have to be very careful to presume that dialogue is lacking between the Church and anti-life and anti-family Catholics in the Philippines. The Philippine Bishops and clergy have not been lacking in that respect and follow in the footsteps of Jesus.
 
Well leaving and walking out on the first place is an admission that you are the guilty party. The truth really hurts. Egos got in the way.

One thing is sure you can’t be Pro life and Pro death at the same time. The message is clear no lukewarm Christianity for this priest. Its either you’re hot or you’re cold.
 
From the little I know of the circumstances, I am glad that he said what he said, and I would like to see similar boldness in the States. Did he perhaps act rashly? Sure, we can say that with hindsight. Perhaps he could have just stated the fact that those who support the bill are unworthy of communion, and would be bringing judgement on themselves, and then let each person take that to heart and make their own decisions. But I am happy that he was willing to speak the truth no matter the cost to himself.

It wouldn’t have hurt their feelings if it wasn’t true. I would rather see this happening than a priest who accomodates to the public whim.
 
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