Priest's greeting of lapsed catholics

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I don’t disagree, but we have people here on CAF ALL the time complaining that their parishes are not friendly, they don’t know anyone, they don’t feel part of the church…these at Mass Baptisms remedy this. We have always done them this way and the entire church introduces themselves after Mass and often keeps up new friendships.
 
Rightly or wrongly I would want to prioritize my family and friends attending the ceremony as these are the people I care about and who will take an interest in my children.
 
Any reason is a good reason. There will be great joy in heaven at the return of one lost soul.
 
No, I don’t think so. His girl friend/partner was with him, and she would have been pleasing her mother.

Why this “we must not blame the priest” attitude? Are priests blameless. Have they been taught exactly what is the best way to encourage people back to the church. Some were being judgemental and going on about serious mortal sin, I don’t think they understand what sin is. We all sin, they agree, against an infinitely good God, and any sin against an infinitely good God is infinitely bad. We are very lucky that God loves us all, and because of his love he tells us to love one another. No qualifications, love one another.
 
What was Jesus’ command? Go, telling the world the Good News, baptising in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Hoiy Spirit. Not conditional!!!
 
It could be that after talking to the priest they realized they didn’t want baptism after all. We don’t know what happened between them.
 
Is it possible that the outcome in both cases were the result of actions by the priests. The first a very good outcome, no mention of sin, just welcome. The second a very bad outcome. Why the difference when neither attended Mass. What is wrong with being welcoming and non judgemental, as in Jesus’ parable. I really do not understand this board, I thought I was coming somewhere where people understood what love was.
 
Frinders stop attributing to Priests what is in your children’s hearts.

You are all out of shape because of your grown children and their Baptism interview with a Priest.
I wasn’t there so I do not know.
You don’t know what happened. We have to let go of our kids eventually. They become responsible for their own lives.
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Next my youngest son had a baby with his girl friend. Both are lapsed catholics. I said I would be very happy if they arranged for the baby to be baptised, and they said they would arrange it. They went to see the priest who seemed more interested in pointing out what was expected, rather than as I would see it, giving them the “Good News”. They left rather cross and have not been back.
You have their say so. One side only. And yes there are expectations with Baptism. So why aren’t your kids prepared to meet those expectations
 
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Well any kind of relationship needs some cooperation from both sides. In the first case it sounds like he was open to being reconciled, the second case did not. The priest couldn’t have forced them to be reconciled.
 
No, I’m sorry, pleasing a parent is not a good reason. The only reason for a Priest to baptise an infant is if he believes the child will be raised Catholic, and clearly he didn’t have that belief. If your son went to him and said “I want to revert and have my baby baptised” he may have gotten further. If the conversation was more along the lines of “I want my baby baptised”, “Why?” “Because my parents wants them to be baptised”, I don’t understand why you think the Priest would have done it.

One of the very first things I learnt here on CAF is that baptism is a big deal. It’s not something to be done liberally. There is a reason it is done, there are requirements needed before it can be done, and if those requirements aren’t met it cannot be done. What you’re saying is that you want your child to be above the rules and you are angry he was not. Even if he had his child baptised, there’s no reason to believe he would revert - he wasn’t doing it because he thought Catholicism was true, he was doing it to please you. So really, you’re blaming the Priest for the fact that your son doesn’t care about your faith beyond pleasing you.
 
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Do you believe in cause and effect? Why are so desparate to attribute blame to my son? Any priest shown a baby and being asked for a baptism should jump at the chance. Why do you think this is not so? Following the Great Command to the church should be a prime objective. Why do you think anything should be put in the way. Why do you think it is not appropriate to welcome people into the Church. Why are you trying to justify being hard hearted. Might I suggest reading the gospels.
 
One of the very first things I learnt here on CAF is that baptism is a big deal.
Yes it is, a very big deal indead. Why do you think it should be refused. Do you imagine that God will support that? A child becomes a child of God, It results in that child being given graces regardless of the parents. The priest is not baptising the parents. Now can you think of a reason that child should be refused? It is the child that is being refused not the parents. Why refuse the child???
 
One of the very first things I learnt here on CAF is that baptism is a big deal. It’s not something to be done liberally. There is a reason it is done, there are requirements needed before it can be done, and if those requirements aren’t met it cannot be done.
This is a change in paradigm, traditionally, not so terribly long ago, the requirements were interpreted quite liberally indeed. In some Catholic countries, the percentage of baptized babies to Catholics was well north of 95% - even when attendance at mass rates was in the toilet.
 
Do you believe in cause and effect?
what does Physics have to do with this?
Why are so desparate to attribute blame to my son?
why are you so intent on attributing any blame? The Priest wanted to know how the child would be raised Catholic, it seems.
why wont your children meet those expectations
Following the Great Command to the church
what great command?
Might I suggest reading the gospels.
go back to your children, stop enabling their rebellion against God and ask what was said.

do you even know if the Priest said No ?

perhaps the Priest said its not that simple, you must attend classes, marry, live the Catholic life.
 
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No, I don’t think so. His girl friend/partner was with him, and she would have been pleasing her mother.

Why this “we must not blame the priest” attitude? Are priests blameless. Have they been taught exactly what is the best way to encourage people back to the church. Some were being judgemental and going on about serious mortal sin, I don’t think they understand what sin is. We all sin, they agree, against an infinitely good God, and any sin against an infinitely good God is infinitely bad. We are very lucky that God loves us all, and because of his love he tells us to love one another. No qualifications, love one another.
Because “mommy wants me to” is not a reason for sacraments in the Church. It doesn’t work for reconciliation, or First Communion, or Confirmation or Marriage and that extends to Baptism.

If both the child’s parents gave their reason as “because mom” the priest really had little else to go off of.

I have a friend who loves the quote, “God is a perfect gentleman, He never forces!” The priest cannot force them to want Baptism. And “mommy wants” would be forcing them into a choice that was not really their own.
 
Yes it is, a very big deal indead. Why do you think it should be refused. Do you imagine that God will support that? A child becomes a child of God, It results in that child being given graces regardless of the parents.The priest is not baptising the parents. Now can you think of a reason that child should be refused? It is the child that is being refused not the parents. Why refuse the child???
I think it should have been refused for two reasons:
  1. There was no reason for the Priest to believe the baby will be brought up as a Catholic, which is required in order for a baptism to be done - neither parents practise their faith, and their reason for inquiry was “my parent wants it”.
  2. As was explained to me, baptism is really important because it sets the child up with a whole host of responsibilities which they must, according to your faith, adhere to. If they do not, then according to your faith, they could place themselves into sin and go to hell. Why, if a Priest does not have reason to believe the baby will be brought up Catholic, put that onto a child? Think about it - if you need to confess sins in order to be forgiven, but the child is baptised and never returns to church due to their parents having the act done to get their own parents off their back, what happens to the child when they die? This is the reason why baptisms done in secret, for example, are so condemned by the Church - because it (according to your faith) can affect their salvation.
I don’t mean to offend you here, but I don’t understand why you seem to treat what your faith holds so dear as trivial. If the parents are not interested in being Catholic at all, there is no founded hope that the child will be Catholic. If there’s no founded hope, the baptism cannot be performed. You wanting it done is not any kind of reason to have it done.
 
@Frinders - from the Vatican website:
  1. Although the Church is truly aware of the efficacy of her faith operating in the Baptism of children, and aware of the validity of the sacrament that she confers on them, she recognizes limits to her practice, since, apart from cases of danger of death, she does not admit a child to Baptism without its parents’ consent and a serious assurance that after Baptism it will be given a Catholic upbringing [27] This is because she is concerned both for the natural rights of the parents and for the requirements of the development of faith in the child.
[27] There is a long-standing tradition, appealed to by St. Thomas Aquinas (Summa Theologica, IIa-IIIae, q. 10, a. 12, in c.) and Pope Benedict XIV (Instruction Postremo Mense of February 28, 1747, 4-5: DS 2552- 2553), against baptizing a child of unbelieving or Jewish parents, except in danger of death (CIC, can. 750, par. 2) against the parents’ wishes, that is unless the parents ask for it and give guarantees.

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c..._cfaith_doc_19801020_pastoralis_actio_en.html
 
Think about it - if you need to confess sins in order to be forgiven, but the child is baptised and never returns to church due to their parents having the act done to get their own parents off their back, what happens to the child when they die?
Regardless of whether someone is baptized or not, they still have to turn from their sins.
 
Should the Catholic Church have no rules or regulations regarding the Sacraments - meaning, do we have absolutely no resposibility to be in good disposition before we can parktake ? Should non-Catholics be allowed to receive the Eucharist?
 
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