Prisons Prove that Homosexuality is a Choice -Ben Carson

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truetofaith said:
On second thought…if I was in prison and couldn’t resist sexual desire, I would use a Playboy Magazine to stimulate myself for masturbation…not turn gay! :eek: :nope:
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Exactly.

I frequent another website where the debate over these things is constant. Men who are straight DO NOT turn gay simply because there is no other outlet for their desires. Believe it or not, the vast majority of men (sexual predators aside) are capable of controlling their sexual urges and are capable of making clear decisions. If I were marooned on a desert island for the rest of my life with People Magazine’s Sexiest Man Alive (whoever it is this month) there’s no way I’d ever, ever do anything gay.

Arguments like Carson’s illustrate a community of interest between conservative Christians and many gay men. Both sides like to believe that straight men will engage in sexual activity with other men given the right circumstances.

I had a friend who served in the U.S. Navy. According to him, there was a lot of gay activity between “straight” men when they were out to sea. Should we believe that sailors are prone to homosexual behavior?

If a lesbian is raped by a man, does that mean she’s likely to “change sides?”
 
Cloisters said:
Prisons are infamous for same-sex rape.
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Infamous, yes, but my understanding is that the data don’t support that reputation.

As terrible as prison sexual assaults are, they’re not a common as popular culture would have us believe.
 
on_the_hill said:
Infamous, yes, but my understanding is that the data don’t support that reputation.

As terrible as prison sexual assaults are, they’re not a common as popular culture would have us believe.
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I was speaking in general terms. I have seen many who have been abused who thought they could never go back to what they were before the attack.

The prison system needs a complete revamp, anyway, but that’s not for this thread.

Blessings,
Cloisters
 
Cloisters said:
I was speaking in general terms. I have seen many who have been abused who thought they could never go back to what they were before the attack.

The prison system needs a complete revamp, anyway, but that’s not for this thread.

Blessings,
Cloisters
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Undoubtedly, it leaves deep psychological and emotional scars to the individual, regardless if the number of assaults are in the hundreds or hundreds of thousands.
 
exnihilo said:
Ben Carson brings up a point that is almost universally ignored by homosexual activists. Along similar lines you can see homosexual activity among men in the military. Churchill is reported to have said the tradition of the British navy is ‘rum, sodomy and the lash’.

The modern narrative on homosexuality is that you have inborn desires. It is these inborn desires that cause homosexual activity. But if this is so either prisoners are disproportionately homosexual or the modern theory is nonsense or at best inadequate to fully explain reality.

Another issue I wish someone would research is that I think it likely homosexual couples have more incidents of killing their partners and disproportionately high rates of mutilation of the people they kill. There seems among active homosexual men to be a high rate of mutilation of genitals.
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It shows, that whether they are born with it, or not, it is part of the ‘fallen nature’ ,which draws us down to be beasts again, and chaotic in our choices .

It is certainly not of God ,and may come through families with a particular moral weakness,as is most sin .
 
Cloisters said:
I was speaking in general terms. I have seen many who have been abused who thought they could never go back to what they were before the attack.

The prison system needs a complete revamp, anyway, but that’s not for this thread.

Blessings,
Cloisters
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Yes the thought that the young who have done some minor thing, can be subjected to this kind of thing indicates what kind of society it is .
 
exnihilo said:
I don’t have statistics. That is my point. I think this should be researched. It won’t be by any government or private university, with the exception of maybe of a small evangelical institution.

I’ve not encountered it in my everyday life. I’ve just read about a number of cases in news articles that makes me wonder. A recent example is the homosexual cannibal from Canada. That is a rather gruesome story. I also think it is true that homosexual activity is disproportionately common among serial killers.
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That is a hateful thing to put on a group of people, considering it is based solely on your own uniformed and casual observations.
 
Engaging in homosexual activities while in prison does not mean someone has “turned gay”.
 
exnihilo said:
I don’t have statistics. That is my point. I think this should be researched. It won’t be by any government or private university, with the exception of maybe of a small evangelical institution.

I’ve not encountered it in my everyday life. I’ve just read about a number of cases in news articles that makes me wonder. A recent example is the homosexual cannibal from Canada. That is a rather gruesome story. I also think it is true that homosexual activity is disproportionately common among serial killers.
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…and with that, g’night folks!
 
on_the_hill said:
Infamous, yes, but my understanding is that the data don’t support that reputation.

As terrible as prison sexual assaults are, they’re not a common as popular culture would have us believe.
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It is disturbingly common and combined with the US prison population’s size if you counted prison rape with other rapes it gives the US the dubious distinction of being the only country where more men get raped than women every year.
 
Tarpeian_Rock said:
Which doesn’t explain why so many gays say things like they knew from an early age that they were “different” or were attracted to the same gender in early adolescence. Ben Carson says a lot of true things, but this isn’t one of them.
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👍 Exactamundo
 
Joie_de_Vivre said:
It is disturbingly common and combined with the US prison population’s size if you counted prison rape with other rapes it gives the US the dubious distinction of being the only country where more men get raped than women every year.
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But how common? My impression from corrections officials is that it isn’t common, and comments from former inmates tend to support that. They say it does happen, but most men never experience it.
 
on_the_hill said:
But how common? My impression from corrections officials is that it isn’t common, and comments from former inmates tend to support that. They say it does happen, but most men never experience it.
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I don’t know what correction officials you have been talking to, correction officers working in prisons will tell you that it more than common.

But don’t take anyone’s word just look it up for yourself, there is plenty of documentation.
 
I doubt prisoners become gay…they just make use of what’s available to them.
 
truetofaith said:
The straight ones may be forced or raped but I don’t believe they become gay or bi-
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You are right they don’t become gay or bi because of being raped. Similarly, most gays would not be turned on or get aroused when being raped. More to the point besides sexual orientation there is also sexual fluidity. Under the right conditions many straights become aroused during SS acts and gays and bisexuals become aroused with opposite sex acts. Besides sexual fluidity aggression and sex are often tied together in power plays which frequently happens in prison settings. Add to that all the fetishes that most people would not consider sexual and you probably have a million or more various circumstances for sexual arousal. In other words it is not black sexuality is complicated.
 
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