Pro-Abort Quebec Priest to Concerned Catholic: ‘Keep Your Nonsense to Yourself!'

[Teelynn]

I agree and it’s unbelievable that instead of disciplinary action, the bishop merely forwarded the complaint to Fr. Gavel. Have you noticed, though, that when we do fight for Truth and point it out, often times we ourselves are accused by our fellow Catholics of “scandal” and of attacking the bishops!

Satan, is indeed, the master of deception. The best thing we can do for ourselves is to pick up our Catechism once again, and start at page one.

Ah yes, those that adhere to Catholic Doctrine are the ones being “persecuted”. Everything is backwards…up is down, down is up, right is wrong, wrong is right. The trademark of Satan himself.

 

[Tigg]

Ah yes, those that adhere to Catholic Doctrine are the ones being “persecuted”. Everything is backwards…up is down, down is up, right is wrong, wrong is right. The trademark of Satan himself.

Not to derail this thread, but since we’ve determined our battle is a spiritual one, I’ll pass this along - was received today in an e-mail from Trib Times…

A recent TV mystery thriller presented a most absorbing story of a talented artist who made a contract with the devil and wound up by losing his soul. It was good in making the devil very real, but poor in making the artist too powerless. For there are two mistakes commonly made regarding the devil-to underrate his abilities, or to overestimate his powers.

Of one thing we can be sure-the devil exists! He is brilliant, though completely misguided, genius. He has angelic knowledge and a profound insight into your weaknesses. He is a shrewd, and talented director using every possible trick to achieve his end-to drag you into the pits of hell forever. He is your enemy and he hates you-just as he hates God!

In any total warfare the first aim of prudent strategy must be to know your enemy, his strength and weaknesses, and the strategy he’ll pursue. This is true, above all, in the warfare of life. To be blind to the existence, the deceits, and the cunning of the devil is like an ostrich burying its head in the sand-you’re going to get your wings clipped!

The greatest success of the devil in this age has been to convince a lot of people that he doesn’t exist-that he belongs in the same category as goblins and fairies. He laughs at this stupidity as he goes underground where he can do his dirty work unobserved and undetected. Here this fifth columnist works untiringly to undermine the work of God in your soul.

If some make themselves an easy prey to the devil by denying his reality, others may go to the other extreme and blame everything on him…even the things they do on their own.

Let us not forget that the world and the flesh are also an abundant source of temptation. And while the devil does use these for his own ends, some people are push-overs even before the devil appears on the scene.

But let us consider the strategy that the devil uses on good people who are sincerely striving to love and serve God. In general, he tries to blow them up with pride and then cast them down by discouragement. He does everything in his power to stimulate their desire to dominate, to rule, to be esteemed, all of which are contrary to the humility and simplicity preached by our Lord.

He encourages what appear as virtues, but what are really mockeries of true virtue. The devil may inspire mortification, for example, but only of the “showy” variety-especially where it can be observed by others. Never does he encourage self-denial of our will, our judgment, or our opinions. Yet, our Lord told us to deny ourselves.

The devil tempts us to a show of piety and pious practices where it can be seen and esteemed. He very cleverly teaches a hundred and one ways of drawing attention to one’s self-tempting one to be an exhibitionist either in dress or actions. He gets otherwise good women to wear styles that not only sin against modesty, but also against charity by the temptations they cause others.

He tries to attract a spiritual person to the sensational and the extraordinary, hoping there-by to distract him from the essential though hidden means of sanctification. He encourages a false humility that is proud of appearing humble and depreciating itself publicly.

The devil stirs up a false hope in our souls by making us depend more on our good works than on the saving mercy of God. He tempts us to sin and then tells us to give up. He wants us to be impatient with ourselves and our failings just to make us vexed, confused, and overanxious in general. He shows his face in a bitter and critical zeal that is opposed to true charity.

Of another thing be sure-you can beat him down and you can do it every time. But you can’t do it alone! That would be like trying to take on an armored division with your bare hands! You need humility to make you depend on the grace of God. You need prayer to make the strength of God your own.

You need spiritual help of the sacraments to keep up your defenses. You need the help of that Victress of all God’s battles-Mary, the Mother of God. Above all, you need Christ, her divine Son who destroyed the power of Satan forever on a hill called Calvary. You need, finally, contempt for the devil. For while he is very real and very powerful, he is still powerless when you use well these weapons of God. So, use them well-and often!

 

[dragonlady9947]

He is not an American priest. American Catholics are different. I am not an American Catholic and have difficulty seeing most of this website as being Catholic. Catholics who believe in guns, the subjugation of the human being, think social justice is a sin, scream about socialist beliefs (Jesus was NOT a capitalist and the founding fathers were not Christians), and are generally so narrow minded and bigoted it is disgusting, do not seem to be Catholic at all.

You do not have the whole story behind this priest and are so ready to make a judgement. So who died and made you God? I actually think he might be a really cool guy - the more power to him.

 

[Phemie]

In this particular case, before I get bent out of shape, I want to see the entire communication and not just what the writer of the emails says Gravel’s response was.

 

[GrandeChartreus]

By Patrick B. CraineJOLIETTE, Quebec, July 9, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) - “I do not accept being judged by idiots of your temper,” wrote the infamously pro-abortion and homosexualist Fr. Raymond Gravel this week in response to a concerned fellow Catholic.“Keep your nonsense to yourself!” the priest…

Full article…

For the record Abbé Gravel is not pro-abortion. He says it many times, over and over again … he is not pro-abortion.

He just hates what Card. Ouelette statement about women and abortion rights. (which I must admit was extremely insulting and clearly made to hurt rather then to show christian unity and hope for those women ‘’

Abbé Gravel is a ‘‘field soldier’’ close to his people and a clearly devoted priest. He is not like Card. Ouelette who never spent more then 2 years at one spot, never ‘‘worked in the field’’ of our faith. L’abbé Gravel walked those steps and knows how to spread the gopsel in a society where religion is no longer popular.

Abbé Gravel is LOVED in Quebec. His words really shows that God’s love and message can still continue to live on in a society where the ‘‘quiet revolution’’ is supposed to have ‘‘eradicated’’ God.

Abbé Gravel is a source of hope to us all. I wished there would be more like him.

I could provide all kinds of referenced of his speech if you want but they are in French.

Funny (or pathetic) anecdote, Abbé Gravel recently went to the state media complaining that many catholic individuals, who did not speak French, sent hate mail to his bishops complaining that he should resign. Obviously none of those guys ever read the numerous appearances Abbé Gravel makes in the media and how he shows he is Pro-life.

 

[canadianguy1143]

For the record Abbé Gravel is not pro-abortion. He says it many times, over and over again … he is not pro-abortion.

Oh yes that’s right. He’s pro choice not pro abortion.

He just hates what Card. Ouelette statement about women and abortion rights. (which I must admit was extremely insulting and clearly made to hurt rather then to show christian unity and hope for those women ‘’

You do realize that Cardinal Ouelette was just stating Catholic teaching. If you find Catholic teaching extremely insulting then perhaps you should reconsider your membership as a Catholic.

Abbé Gravel is a ‘‘field soldier’’ close to his people and a clearly devoted priest. He is not like Card. Ouelette who never spent more then 2 years at one spot, never ‘‘worked in the field’’ of our faith. L’abbé Gravel walked those steps and knows how to spread the gopsel in a society where religion is no longer popular.

Yes its better to be disobedient to the disgusting idea of moving from job to job than to stay and cause irreparable harm that Fr. Gravel is causing.

Abbé Gravel is LOVED in Quebec. His words really shows that God’s love and message can still continue to live on in a society where the ‘‘quiet revolution’’ is supposed to have ‘‘eradicated’’ God.

I would rather be loved by God than by any person.

Abbé Gravel is a source of hope to us all. I wished there would be more like him.

I could provide all kinds of referenced of his speech if you want but they are in French.

Which is why Catholicism in Quebec is totally destroyed.

Funny (or pathetic) anecdote, Abbé Gravel recently went to the state media complaining that many catholic individuals, who did not speak French, sent hate mail to his bishops complaining that he should resign. Obviously none of those guys ever read the numerous appearances Abbé Gravel makes in the media and how he shows he is Pro-life.

It isn’t hate mail demanding that he resign.

 

[GrandeChartreus]

Oh yes that’s right. He’s pro choice not pro abortion.

No he is not … I don’t mean to debate on this because there is nothing to debate … he is against abortion … final … he just hates the way the former cardinal of quebec went about to say it.

You do realize that Cardinal Ouelette was just stating Catholic teaching. If you find Catholic teaching extremely insulting then perhaps you should reconsider your membership as a Catholic.

True he was … he could have used a little bit more tact though … in a society where religion is not as present as it used to be … a little bit more explanation is necessary … not just bold statement that will upset the population … which led him to retract and redefine his previous inflammatory statement (which the second time Card. Ouelette explained very well)

Why so critical and judgmental of me ? I didn’t like the way Card. Ouellette expressed himself … doesn’t mean that I am pro-abortion… and it doesn’t mean that you can question my faith. Did you hear what Card. Ouellette said ? Then why no one reacted to Abbé Gravel when he brought the same issue but with tact and sense rather then harsh statement?

Yes its better to be disobedient to the disgusting idea of moving from job to job than to stay and cause irreparable harm that Fr. Gravel is causing.

This is just an emotional response that I wont reply to. I would strongly suggest that you try to read the huge analysis done by LApresse on of Saturday June 19th of his stay in Quebec. Archbishops came to that conclusion that he was a scholar and not a turf guy… I am only repeating what people with great knowledge of the faith expressed about the cardinal. There is nothing wrong about being an academic (I am one too ) … it’s just you don’t put an academic in a position where you need a farmer to do some manual work and revigorate the faith.

I would rather be loved by God than by any person.

Me too … that was not the point of my statement.

Which is why Catholicism in Quebec is totally destroyed.

Maybe not totally destroyed but damaged yes.

I would strongly suggest reading a few books about the quiet revolution. There is a reason as to why people ‘‘rebelled’’ … abuses were rampant in those years. (Les Orphelins de Duplessis, pensionnat authoctones, pressions religieuses sur la province du Québec, censure, etc, etc, )

I am confident that many priest and devoted man of god remain at the service of the church in Quebec. The priest in my region are amazing and truly represent the message of God.

It isn’t hate mail demanding that he resign.

yup … they wanted him to resign because they though he was pro-abortion. Raymond gravel went in the media to dissipate this false idea (which was propagated by some websites without real clear understanding on what he thinks )

God Bless my Canadian friend

 

[Phemie]

Oh yes that’s right. He’s pro choice not pro abortion.

Having read the original article where he took Cardinal Ouellette to task, I did not get the impression that he is pro-choice at all. All you read on Lifesite is what people think he said. I went and read the article in French and no, I don’t think he condones abortion in any way. Tactful, he ain’t, but ‘pro-abortion’ or ‘pro-choice’? I don’t think so.

 

[canadianguy1143]

Having read the original article where he took Cardinal Ouellette to task, I did not get the impression that he is pro-choice at all. All you read on Lifesite is what people think he said. I went and read the article in French and no, I don’t think he condones abortion in any way. Tactful, he ain’t, but ‘pro-abortion’ or ‘pro-choice’? I don’t think so.

Its not just Lifesitenews. But even if it was, CAF uses Lifesitenews to start threads in the Catholic News section all the time.

Here is another link to Catholic Insight:

catholicinsight.com/online/controversy/article_689.shtml

 

[wisdomseeker]

For the record Abbé Gravel is not pro-abortion. He says it many times, over and over again … he is not pro-abortion.

He just hates what Card. Ouelette statement about women and abortion rights. (which I must admit was extremely insulting and clearly made to hurt rather then to show christian unity and hope for those women ‘’

Abbé Gravel is a ‘‘field soldier’’ close to his people and a clearly devoted priest. He is not like Card. Ouelette who never spent more then 2 years at one spot, never ‘‘worked in the field’’ of our faith. L’abbé Gravel walked those steps and knows how to spread the gopsel in a society where religion is no longer popular.

Abbé Gravel is LOVED in Quebec. His words really shows that God’s love and message can still continue to live on in a society where the ‘‘quiet revolution’’ is supposed to have ‘‘eradicated’’ God.

Abbé Gravel is a source of hope to us all. I wished there would be more like him.

I could provide all kinds of referenced of his speech if you want but they are in French.

Funny (or pathetic) anecdote, Abbé Gravel recently went to the state media complaining that many catholic individuals, who did not speak French, sent hate mail to his bishops complaining that he should resign. Obviously none of those guys ever read the numerous appearances Abbé Gravel makes in the media and how he shows he is Pro-life.

i dont know nothing about this priest. but i will say this. his words are not very priestly like. his words are very worldly and uncharitable. his language is scare for a priest to use. plus he also comes against a Cardinal for speaking the Truth. it just makes me wonder how much people really know about priest. i can only tell by his words and it is not good.

 

[GrandeChartreus]

Its not just Lifesitenews. But even if it was, CAF uses Lifesitenews to start threads in the Catholic News section all the time.

Here is another link to Catholic Insight:

catholicinsight.com/online/controversy/article_689.shtml

Well here we have to be careful to who writes those articles.

First … they are not the original report. They were translated from French to English (which is fine) but several aspect of the discussions were (voluntary ? ) omitted. the report on the link above is from someone who is known to have issues with Abbé Gravel . I wish that those organization would have the intellectual decency to reproduce the news in a neutral fashion.

The best way is to look at the original text he wrote or the things he said during the interview.

Abbé Gravel defending the Davinci code ??? seriously now …

Although I can say that this is true …

"Father Gravel gave a long interview last summer to the ‘gay’ magazine Fugues (June 2, 2005), published in Montreal. …] He was born in 1952 in the small village of Saint-Damien-de-Brandon. From ages 16 to 24, he was a ‘gay’ prostitute in Montreal and took drugs. After a terrible sexual relation with a client that led him to the hospital, he became a bartender at ‘gay’ establishments. At 32, he entered the seminary in a dramatic change to fulfill a childhood dream, but with no real spiritual conversion.

Who hasn’t done something wrong in his life and decided that they need to change ? Abbé Gravel found God … I think it’s a pretty nice and humble of him … a true message of christ who accepts everyone. As for the ‘‘no real spiritual conversion’’ this is obviously wrong … I have never seen anyone who doesn’t grow in the faith of our Lord while becoming a priest … and if he was so ‘‘out of touch’’ as the writer says I believe that his superior wouldn’t let him become a priest. (vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__PW.HTM)

Journalist Patrick Brunette does not understand how someone can be ‘gay’ and want to become a priest, since the Church has always condemned homosexuality…

Well we all know this is not true … so it shows some aspect of the writer who just tries to discredit someone without clear analytical arguments.

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccatheduc/documents/rc_con_ccatheduc_doc_20051104_istruzione_en.html

 

[wisdomseeker]

Well here we have to be careful to who writes those articles.

First … they are not the original report. They were translated from French to English (which is fine) but several aspect of the discussions were (voluntary ? ) omitted. the report on the link above is from someone who is known to have issues with Abbé Gravel . I wish that those organization would have the intellectual decency to reproduce the news in a neutral fashion.

The best way is to look at the original text he wrote or the things he said during the interview.

Abbé Gravel defending the Davinci code ??? seriously now …

Although I can say that this is true …

Who hasn’t done something wrong in his life and decided that they need to change ? Abbé Gravel found God … I think it’s a pretty nice and humble of him … a true message of christ who accepts everyone. As for the ‘‘no real spiritual conversion’’ this is obviously wrong … I have never seen anyone who doesn’t grow in the faith of our Lord while becoming a priest … and if he was so ‘‘out of touch’’ as the writer says I believe that his superior wouldn’t let him become a priest. (vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__PW.HTM)

Well we all know this is not true … so it shows some aspect of the writer who just tries to discredit someone without clear analytical arguments.

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccatheduc/documents/rc_con_ccatheduc_doc_20051104_istruzione_en.html

if this statement were true the Church would not be in such a mess. look what is happening all over. priests advocating for homosexual marriage, abortion and women priests. were they not ordained too?
how about bishops doing the same.

youtube.com/user/RealCatholicTV#p/a/u/0/o4nyojPzvSg

 

[GrandeChartreus]

if this statement were true the Church would not be in such a mess. look what is happening all over. priests advocating for homosexual marriage, abortion and women priests. were they not ordained too?
how about bishops doing the same.

youtube.com/user/RealCatholicTV#p/a/u/0/o4nyojPzvSg

I don’t get it. The video is confusing and quite a wild mix of McCarthism and Sean Hannity (i.e Fear mongering) view of our faith.

I am sorry … but my faith is relayed on the word of the lord, cannon law and on the doctors of the Church who will analyze tin a philosophical and spiritual way the message of our Lord rather then this ‘‘garden variety’’ of political commentators who, in a 2 minute clip, encompass so many views that it’s hard to keep track (which leads to deform the message)

I have faith in our Holy father, and his army of Theologians with many different views, to find a clear path for our faith.

either way this is out of the topic.

 

[Tigg]

… I have never seen anyone who doesn’t grow in the faith of our Lord while becoming a priest …

I will tell you the opposite can happen. Are you reading the news or looking at some of the threads regarding even non-sexual crimes committed by clerics?

if he was so ‘‘out of touch’’ as the writer says I believe that his superior wouldn’t let him become a priest.

I do not find this comment to be credible in light of the fact that according to recent news stories, so many “superiors” have also been compromised. A little sympathy goes a long way (in the wrong direction!).

 

[Eric_Hilbert]

Topic gone as far as it’s going to. Closed.