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QwertyGirl
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Very doubtful.
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SeriousQuestion
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I’m not sure about that.
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PureKathleen46
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Yes we are pro life and you unfortunately are pro death. God help you!
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Where do you disagree with the mainstream accepted science above?goout:
You almost caught me. I don’t debate my personal feelings about abortion here in this form. I do try to give (name removed by moderator)ut sometimes when I see someone making an argument that I know will not fly with the pro-choice crowd.
It’s a simple question that is reasonable to ask and consider.
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QwertyGirl
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I don’t debate abortion here. Nobody reading here or posting here is going to have their mind changed as a result of a debate here. I I’m comfortable in my position, and have no need or desire to convince people to change their minds.
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I am not debating abortion. I’m asking you where you disagree here:goout:
I don’t debate abortion here. Nobody reading here or posting here is going to have their mind changed as a result of a debate here. I I’m comfortable in my position, and have no need or desire to convince people to change their minds.
Stop me when you disagree:
At the moment of conception we have unique DNA.
An individual with unique DNA.
The DNA is human.
The unique human has the potential to live and die like everyone else.
Where do you disagree with the scientific facts?
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AndRedGrenadine
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I always thought receiving Confirmation makes you Catholic.
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anon10271182
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Oh, facts now! Unfair!
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jeannetherese
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Another way of looking at it is those who are pro life would like the baby to be able to choose life, rather than have that choice denied him or her. It relates to the suggestion that one out of every two patients leave an abortion clinic alive.
In cases where you will be killed without your consent, what choice is there for you?
In cases where you will be killed without your consent, what choice is there for you?
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jeannetherese
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If CAF is the other side of the aisle, there don’t seem to be many loopholes.
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jeannetherese
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Of course, various forms of ‘birth control’ act as abortificients and this thread is about abortion. The killing of the preborn is an injustice to them and denies their right to life.
Standing up for the rights of these marginalized is our moral responsibility.
Standing up for the rights of these marginalized is our moral responsibility.
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QwertyGirl
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Pro-choice people don’t typically believe the fetus is a person. To them, it is apples and oranges. The same argument that applies to you and me doesn’t apply to a fetus.
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Convert3
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Do they not believe, or are they simply in denial of the truth that they are a person to justify their wrong doing?
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Yes, and pro aborts are trying to force an irrational belief on others while clearly denying the settled science. The irony is striking, because “forcing your beliefs on others” is the typical reflex accusation of pro aborts toward pro lifers.jeannetherese:
Pro-choice people don’t typically believe the fetus is a person. To them, it is apples and oranges. The same argument that applies to you and me doesn’t apply to a fetus.
That’s hypocrisy. It’s also anti science superstition on the part of pro aborts.
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LateCatholic
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I think you are missing the point.
As a Catholic, I would never recommend or support someone having an abortion.
As an American, we cannot force our views on others. A fetus, legally, is simply not an American citizen at the moment of conception. Perhaps we can say at 18-25 weeks or so it is. Abortion is morally wrong, but so is forcing a religious position on others.
As a realist, I understand that the positions of Republicans, and to a lesser degree Catholics, do not SOLVE the problem. Pro-life is a scam. How can you be against health insurance and be “pro-life”? How can you be against social programs and be “pro-life”? How can you be pro-life and cut adoption, food stamp, and foster programs? We don’t live in a perfect world, and unfortunately the number ONE cause of poverty is having children you cannot support. I am not advocating abortion for the poor, I am saying you cannot claim to be pro-life without also supporting the corresponding required massive social program expense. And, at the very least, PLEASE stop the idiocy that is the anti-birth control stance by Catholics. Insane.
For this reason, I am what I call “pro-options”. I do not support abortion, but it should be legal with restrictions and we need to do everything in our power to make it unnecessary.
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Shasta-Rose
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Yes, there are those who are afraid of the man involved, and those who will be ostracized by their family, and those who will lose their jobs and have no savings, and therefore will lose their apartment. Women who are driven to the brink and if they can’t have an abortion they will commit suicide. That’s a steep price to pay for making a mistake and doing something injudicious. I am not greatly in favor of abortions, but I do think we need to leave the door open for having a “safety net” of some kind for those who simply have no recourse, no welcoming home, no means, and no place to go. I can’t get totally behind any reasoning that doesn’t mind driving desperate people to suicide.
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jeannetherese
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Denying the personhood of undesireables is nothing new; it’s been used as a justification for genocide more than once in recent history. It’s the sort of argument which should make us wary-we know that killing tends to follow.
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“” I am for the killing of the poor and handicapped. They are inconvenient and they take resources that I need for my career and and my own family.goout:
I think you are missing the point.
As a Catholic, I would never recommend or support someone having an abortion.
As an American, we cannot force our views on others. A fetus, legally, is simply not an American citizen at the moment of conception. Perhaps we can say at 18-25 weeks or so it is. Abortion is morally wrong, but so is forcing a religious position on others.
You are forcing your religious views on me if you support laws against these things. I am pro option also, just like you. This is my choice and option: to eliminate those who are not persons. I am not really pro-murder, I am pro-option. Don’t force your religious point of view on me. “”
Your position is morally bankrupt and is based on a superficial political view of morality.
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Realism is a good thing.goout:
As a realist,
Stop me when you disagree with the realities:
At the moment of conception we have unique DNA.
An individual with unique DNA.
The DNA is human.
The unique human has the potential to live and die like everyone else.
Are you a realist, or is your opinion and religious belief more important than reality?
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Convert3
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Who’s against health insurance? Conservatives just don’t want government control of all health insurance and health decisions based on what the government decides what they’ll pay for.
We believe in social programs for the truly needy. What we don’t want are programs that provide so much that people don’t want to get off them. Provide incentives to work, not incentives to stay on the government dole.
Can you provide examples of these cuts? The number of people on food stamps is down because more people have jobs. Please show examples of cuts in adoption and foster care programs. Most of these are administered by the state and county governments.
Do you have statistical references to show this is the number one cause? Please share. Some might look at a causative factor being the lack of education, lower morality, generational welfare families and rampant drug abuse. It’s a very complex issue. Enabling it by legalizing abortion sure didn’t help.
Calling yourself “pro-options” and claiming you don’t support abortion, yet want it to be legal, is denying that a fetus is a human life and enabling those who want to commit murder of unborn children.
Can we as Catholics do more to help those who have struggles because of unplanned pregnancies? Absolutely! Is government the best answer? I doubt it.
You are just rationalizing in your mind that you are against abortion yet want it legal. Murder of unborn children is not an acceptable way to lessen the problems of poverty or inconvenient pregnancies.
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