Pro Choice/Abortion “Catholics”

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Obviously, both spouses in the marriage must be faithful to each other, that’s what I meant.
 
Most Catholics in the US don’t in practice buy the “too many children is like too many flowers line.” Some support legalized abortion. Others want children of illegals kept here if they “keep their nose clean”. It all boils down to the person or the dollar. GOP fails more grievously at it.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Voting for a candidate who does not make abortion illegal is not the same thing as approving of abortion. For an example, consider homosexual acts. They are clearly contrary to the teachings of the Church. Yet voting for a candidate who refuses to criminalize homosexual acts is not the same thing as approving of those acts. That is clear from the fact that almost everyone agrees those acts, as sinful as they are, should not be criminalized.
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the legality of the death of a child is not the same as the legality of a homosexual act. the parties in the homosexual act can repent. what can the child do?
Above all, the common outcry, which is justly made on behalf of human rights— for example, the right to health, to home, to work, to family, to culture—is false and illusory if the right to life, the most basic and fundamental right and the condition for all other personal rights, is not defended with maximum determination. (Christifideles Laici, no. 38)
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QwertyGirl said:
So if a candidate is pro-choice but you agree with there stance on all other issues, it is acceptable, as a Catholic to vote for that candidate. It is not acceptable to vote for the same candidate BECAUSE they are pro-choice, though.
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Support of abortion by a candidate for public office, some of whom are Catholics, even if they use the phony “personally opposed but” line, is reason sufficient unto itself to disqualify any and every such candidate from receiving our vote. (BISHOP WILLIAM MURPHY Catholic Diocese of Rockville Centr)
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The 5 non-negotiables that Catholic voters cannot support are: Abortion, same-sex so-called marriage, EMBRYONIC stem-cell research, cloning, and euthanasia.
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There are more non-negotiables than 5 and the Vatican did not issue a statement on “5 non-negotiables.” That list is a creation by an American layman.
 
Thank you for your interest in this topic. As per Pope John Paul II’s Evangelium Vitae 73 regarding a law allowing abortions, it is “never licit to obey it, or to take part in a propaganda campaign in favor of such a law, or to vote for it.” A faithful Catholic cannot vote for a political candidate who takes the anti-Catholic side on the 5 non-negotiables when there is a candidate who clearly more closely supports the Catholic position regarding these 5 non-negotiables.
Other issues that are not included in the 5 are prudential judgments, where there are different possible solutions to the problems.
 
Thanks for your interest. Will you please list for me any other issues that you consider to be non-negotiable? Thanks.
 
Again, do some searching. It isn’t that hard to use CAF search tools.
 
This has been a very interesting thread to for me as an “outsider”. I’m just adding my voice to the wilderness here…
I reasearched both Bruno and Galileo. As I understand the historical facts from non religious sources that I trust, Bruno WAS a heretic by the standards of Catholism and was not a scientist by any stretch of the imagination. He was a mystic. The fact that he was later proved right regarding other planets is irrelevant. One could argue that burning at the stake was barbaric and immoral but he was a priest and duty bound to obey the Church.
Galileo was another that was right but it wasn’t really antiscience in its day. The problem was that the consensus of the scientists was against him and he wouldn’t back down and try to get that consensus for his theory. Again, you could question the Churches decision but the Church was completely within its rights as things stood at the time. His punishment was due to his behavior, not whether he was correct about his theory.

Latecatholic, you are obviously in opposition to the Church and it’s positions. This is fine with me as I am in opposition to many Church teachings, too BUT I am not and don’t pretend to be a Catholic. You claim you want to change the Church but I fail to see how what you are doing accomplishes any of that. I do see that you want fellow Catholics to think about your views and question and consider them. I’m not sure you are accomplishing that but maybe? Some? I, too am antiabortion but because I am not religious, I tend to look at what might really work in our multicultural society. I think that before we ban abortions we have to solve many of the reasons for abortion and the repercussions from forcing women to give birth. So, solutions I may consider would be anathema to most all Catholics but it would tend to eliminate abortions. It would also challenge the liberties of many Americans just as forced birth challenges the liberty of Americans.

Question for everyone here regarding voting Rep vs Dem? Many Rep candidates have no intention of overturning Roe v Wade. They merely give lip service to it for your votes. I agree with Latecatholic here. Is it better that a candidate openly states his/her support for abortion or better that he/she deceives you so you can vote him/her with a clear conscience? Because I think that is happening. No! Of course not every candidate!

One more. I found the 5 items that Catholics must support ( or be against, depending on its wording) to be interesting. What happens when a candidate is for 1 but against the other 4 ? If it’s 3 to 2? Do you seriously consider not voting? Or do you then just go with what your conscience feels is most important to you even though the Church has rated them equal?

Thanks for any answers provided. If anything is offensive, I apologize. I try not to be but am very interested in the Catholic worldview and try my best to understand all it’s nuances.
 
Absolutely correct re Galileo. His arrogance (including calling the Pope a simpleton) and insistence that HE not the church was the authority on the accuracy of Scripture did him in and that was directly responsible for his “persecution”.
 
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As the current president advocated an expanded use of torture while campaigning, I’d say the list of 5 is outdated.
 
Correct. There is more to being Pro Life then stopping abortion. All five Catholic non negotiables you mention are also Pro Life issues. Liberals invented the seamless garment nonsense as political manipulation so they could justify voting for pro abortion politicians. So we get silly things like the ‘new’ pro life movement .
 
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Please be SPECIFIC. I have no idea what you’re referring to, and I’m not sure that anybody else does, either.
 
As I’ve stated in my earlier comments, the candidate who more closely supports the Catholic positions on abortion, same-sex so-called marriage, human cloning, EMBRYONIC stem cell research, and euthanasia is the one that deserves our vote. These 5 dwarf other issues. There is one political party that consistently works against the Catholic Church regarding abortion and euthanasia. Also, please see my earlier comment listing all the great pro-life things that have been done under current leadership since end of January 2017.
 
I don’t think waterboarding compares to 1,000,000 abortions, lives terminated a year. But we all see things differently.

Perhaps, one might write their Bishops and the Holy Father and ask for torture to be made one of the non-negotiable items.

Some would call prison torture.

So, bringing up torture is a bit off-track here.
 
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