Pssssst. At least ours live to be old. Besides, we only have an aging population because of advances in healthcare and also - free healthcare for everyone no matter who they are and how much money they have! I’m proud to have an aging population. Doesn’t mean we’re all old though and unable to have kids.
Europeans are reproducing below population replacement levels, so you would think abortion would be on the public’s radar but it’s not. If Europe is going to have a future, it needs more baby Europeans, not fewer.What’s that supposed to mean?
No but the replacement rate is 2 and the average reproduction rate in Europe is 1.2 (I believe). I don’t think abortion is the sole reason why this is so (look at Ireland which does not allow abortion but has similar demographic woes to the rest of Europe) but widespread acceptance of abortion certainly doesn’t help grow the population.
True, but kind of a separate issue. Europeans are getting fatter too, unfortunately.
That implies we’d care about abortion on the basis of reducing our population. MUST BREED MORE!
Abortion is absolutely morally wrong but on top of that its widespread acceptance is contributing to other worrying long-term trends in Europe. That’s all I’m saying.
I’m not sure how I sound like a socialist; I’m just voicing concerns about the long-term future of Europe. It worries me as a Europhile, as someone who cares about Western civilization generally and as an American. I think Europe has been making its secularist, culture of death bed for a long time now and is going to have to lie in it shortly but that doesn’t make me particularly joyful or optimistic about the future for my own country.No. No one actually cares about the birth rates. For an American you’re talking like a socialist, saying we need to be concerned about our population levels when we’re struggling with the levels of immigration.
You guys are like the fish in water - it doesn’t know it’s wet. Of course you are socialist! The government nanny state is your overlord! It’s a big reason why churches are in such decline - socialism is atheist and kills religion by substituting government programs for charity and altruism.
You wouldn’t satisfy immigration requirements so that’s probably just as well.We left Europe and most of us don’t want to pretend we’re going back at this point!
Excuse me, but when I started this thread, I was honestly wondering whether or not people in other countries spent time arguing about “pro-choice” versus “pro-life” when they were having an election. I also wondered if their priests warn them to vote “pro-life.”You guys are like the fish in water - it doesn’t know it’s wet. Of course you are socialist! The government nanny state is your overlord! It’s a big reason why churches are in such decline - socialism is atheist and kills religion by substituting government programs for charity and altruism.
Not meant as an attack on you individually, and I know you are bound to want to defend yourself but we’ve been hearing how great European socialism is for decades now and we are frankly quite fed up with it. We left Europe and most of us don’t want to pretend we’re going back at this point!
Correct.That implies we’d care about abortion on the basis of reducing our population. MUST BREED MORE!
No. No one actually cares about the birth rates. For an American you’re talking like a socialist, saying we need to be concerned about our population levels when we’re struggling with the levels of immigration.
I live in the U.S., but I lived in Europe many years ago----- and I can tell you the issue of Socialism IS relevant to this discussion-----since Socialistic policies, which have become THE Norm in Europe, ARE one of the reasons for the Low Birth Rates in Europe and the “graying” of the Population. Birth Control (Population Control) and Abortion (Another Type Of Population Control) are BIG Socialistic issues.
Ouch!!!You wouldn’t satisfy immigration requirements so that’s probably just as well.
We recently had the 40 Days for Life campaign in London which followed similar anti-abortion campaigns in the US i.e. we held prayer vigils on the pavement in Marylebone where Marie Stopes is located. It was the first time that a pro-life group has targeted MS in that manner.
It’s not the first time, ‘Rescue America’ tried it in the early 90’s in London.
There is no socailist states in Europe. All of our political parties are in the centre-right, not left. A basic knowledge of Europe would tell you that. We’re not socialist. What’s your evidence? You’re being extremely rude. I notice you’re from Texas - 'nuff said. In your state you don’t even teach evolution and have twisted History - we heard about that over here. That to me is socialism - your nanny state is telling people the preferred version of events rather than giving them all the alternatives and you’re not letting people choose for themselves.You guys are like the fish in water - it doesn’t know it’s wet. Of course you are socialist! The government nanny state is your overlord! It’s a big reason why churches are in such decline - socialism is atheist and kills religion by substituting government programs for charity and altruism.
Not meant as an attack on you individually, and I know you are bound to want to defend yourself but we’ve been hearing how great European socialism is for decades now and we are frankly quite fed up with it. We left Europe and most of us don’t want to pretend we’re going back at this point!
Yikes!
I can imagine it now - Dr. Nefarious and his evil cronies sitting in Brussels hatching a plot to allow contraception purely on the basis of reducing the population to…benefit the country and… errr. it will benfit the country by… well… its a socialist plot!I live in the U.S., but I lived in Europe many years ago----- and I can tell you the issue of Socialism IS relevant to this discussion-----since Socialistic policies, which have become THE Norm in Europe, ARE one of the reasons for the Low Birth Rates in Europe and the “graying” of the Population. Birth Control (Population Control) and Abortion (Another Type Of Population Control) are BIG Socialistic issues.
Maybe if people defined their terms we could find some common ground.