Pro-life candidates are mean people?

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Elf01 said:
I support policies that help a mother to keep her child but abortion being illegal is my priority. No law is kept 100% but there is value in acknowledging that the unborn have a right to not be murdered.
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My view is that in America, we cannot deny a woman the right to control her body. The world isn’t perfect, unfortunately. This doesn’t mean I support abortion. I would do everything in my power to convince a woman NOT to have an abortion. And I would provide any and ALL policies to support her.
But in the end, throwing her in jail is NOT the answer. Throwing doctors in jail is not the answer.

In the end, the only viable approach is to make abortion difficult (to a degree), put reasonable restrictions on it, and implement policies that make it so women won;t WANT to have an abortion.
Unfortunately, conservatives do the opposite. Liberals would support the above, but they spend all their time fighting to keep it legal, they won’t agree to reasonable limits. It’s the very similar to gun control - no sane person would allow somethings we allow in the USA, but conservatives are so worried about guns becoming illegal, they won’t support even minimal, reasonable gun control laws. It’s the same with liberals and abortion.
 
LateCatholic said:
My view is that in America, we cannot deny a woman the right to control her body.
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Lets imagine she’s not pregnant. Say she shares a vital organ with her twin sister who will die if they seperate but the woman will more than likely survive. Does she still get to control her body or does her sister have a right to life. I think having a conjoined twin would impede much more on my automony than being pregnant.
 
Did you ever attend a pro-life rally, with pro-abortionists present? The pro-lifers are prayerful and peaceful. The pro-abortionists are loud and angry.
 
I heard some anecdotes where the pro-life people weren’t so civil, but I’m not sure of their veracity.
 
I’ve noticed that most pro-life politicians are also stronger on religious liberty, law and order, support for police and our military, safety for its citizens from attacks from foreigners and from within, confirmation of Constitutional Judges, the rights of women against biological men who demand access to women’s facilities and sports competitions, secure borders, and a largely Free Market economy that best reduces poverty.
 
1cthlctrth said:
Did you ever attend a pro-life rally, with pro-abortionists present? The pro-lifers are prayerful and peaceful. The pro-abortionists are loud and angry.
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They’re both loud and angry. Both sides.
 
1cthlctrth said:
biological men who demand access to women’s facilities
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You mean trans women? Who, by the way, are exponentially more likely to get assaulted in a men’s restroom than they are to assault cis women in a women’s restroom.
 
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As an alternative to the “deeply disturbing” new federal guidance on transgender regulations for schools, the U.S. bishops pointed to the words of Pope Francis in offering a positive path to young people.
“The guidance fails to address a number of important concerns and contradicts a basic understanding of human formation so well expressed by Pope Francis: that ‘the young need to be helped to accept their own body as it was created,’” the bishops said in a May 16 statement, quoting the words of Pope Francis in his 2016 exhortation Amoris Laetitia .

“Children, youth and parents in these difficult situations deserve compassion, sensitivity and respect,” the bishops said. “All of these can be expressed without infringing on legitimate concerns about privacy and security on the part of the other young students and parents.”

They said the new federal guidance “does not even attempt to achieve this balance.” It ignores ongoing political and cultural discussion about how to address these sensitive issues and “short-circuits those discussions entirely.”
 
1cthlctrth said:
As an alternative to the “deeply disturbing” new federal guidance on transgender regulations for schools, the U.S. bishops pointed to the words of Pope Francis in offering a positive path to young people.
“The guidance fails to address a number of important concerns and contradicts a basic understanding of human formation so well expressed by Pope Francis: that ‘the young need to be helped to accept their own body as it was created,’” the bishops said in a May 16 statement, quoting the words of Pope Francis in his 2016 exhortation Amoris Laetitia .
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Our brains are the most crucial part of our bodies, and it is there that our identities are formed. We already significantly alter various parts of our bodies so that they’ll conform to our internal vision of what we want to be. Think of shaving body hair, losing weight, getting body piercings, etc. Gender dysphoria is just one manifestation of the discomfort with our own bodies that we all experience, and people shouldn’t be discriminated against for choosing not to live as their assigned gender.
 
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And girls shouldn’t be forced to have boys in their showers or sports competitions.
 
1cthlctrth said:
And girls shouldn’t be forced to have boys in their showers or sports competitions.
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Again, you’re operating under the assumption that trans girls are no different from cis boys, which leads to mischaracterizations of these situations and of trans people’s motives.
 
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Transgender girls often times look and act very much like cisgender girls, to the point where it’d be more uncomfortable for everyone if they were forced to shower with cisgender boys.
 
I’m 99% confident that’s an apocryphal quote that St. Pius X never really stated…

It seems to have its origins in modern rad trad circles.
 
TheAmazingGrace said:
Our brains are the most crucial part of our bodies, and it is there that our identities are formed. We already significantly alter various parts of our bodies so that they’ll conform to our internal vision of what we want to be. Think of shaving body hair, losing weight, getting body piercings, etc. Gender dysphoria is just one manifestation of the discomfort with our own bodies that we all experience, and people shouldn’t be discriminated against for choosing not to live as their assigned gender.
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Exactly right. And, people seem to forget that many cis women wear men’s clothing and even get men’s haircuts, and no one bats an eyelash.

People are going to have to accept that gender is not determined solely by genitalia.
 
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