Progress with my "trans" child? Maybe

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Whenever they want, and for whatever reason they want, right or wrong. This is true of all relationships, family or otherwise. If we value the relationship, we should choose our battles wisely. I know dozens of trans people who have no contact with their families, and in every case, pronouns was the beginning of the end.
 
They end their relationships with their families to their own detriment.

There is no budging when it comes to this issue.

Your biological sex is all that matters, subjective gender identity is entirely meaningless. Legitimizing it in anyway, such as incorrect pronoun usage, is wrong.

We need to have a bright line rule.
 
Well as a young woman I might be able to offer some advice. Try appealing to her emotionally and remind her of all the joys you had when she was born and how you valued her dignity before she was born. Also explain to her the horrors of abortion that often changes people mind. (Sad it happens this way) .the movie unplanned is a great way to start:) As for the other issue I think its A) out of rebellious nature which usually will make them come around after a while or it could be a deeper issue. next time you talk to her ask her how she is doing and make her open up to you because I’m guessing it is an insecurity she is having. If you do this don’t bring up the issue until she further starts to trust and open up. Don’t worry you have an army of saints and angels backing you!!! will pray for her!! Dominus Vobiscim
 
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There’s an additional concern, beyond simply losing the relationship. Study after study has shown that trans people’s families being supportive of them (which includes using their correct pronouns) is very strongly correlated with reducing risk of suicide. Trans kids with unsupportive families sadly suffer this fate far too often (consider Leelah Alcorn, for example). It might seem over-dramatic to say so, but the sad truth is it’s not just your relationship with your child that is at risk if you fail to respect them; it may very well be their life as well.
 
VonDerTann said:
The problem, amt, is: where does it end? We have to respect their pronouns? And if we don’t, they’re allowed to walk out? Must we respect their decisions of who to sleep with, also? Who to live with? Who to have a child with?
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Well, yes, you do if you want to maintain an amicable relationship. None of these things as far as I am aware require you to breach any part of Catholic morality. As an unbeliever I’d be interested no know what exactly you think such a breach consists of if I am wrong. You are not being asked to agree, only to follow acceptable norms.
 
I wouldn’t even necessarily deem acceptance part of Catholic morality, so much as “acceptance” of people’s actions quickly becomes “sit there like a potted plant and say nothing no matter how immoral/foolish/insane a child’s behavior becomes.”
That’s all the more problematic considering it’s being asked of a parent, who is supposed to be the child’s guide/teacher/protector.

Look, there are a lot of people who adhere to the concept of “God doesn’t make mistakes,” and who believe that the whole “I feel like I’m in the wrong body!” Is a sign of mental illness. If I decided I thought God made a mistake and I was supposed to be an elephant, I’d be deemed crazy. If I’m a parent, I totally abdicate my responsibility to my child if I sit there and say nothing regardless of what they do, all in the name of being “accepting.”

As a parent I am not required to “accept” mental illness, let alone accept behavior (who my child sleeps with/makes a baby with, etc.) that involves third parties as well.
 
First of all, there is no such thing as cisgender men. It’s a bogus term. The term men stands on its own. And second of all, men, who constitute half of the population, have every right to their opinions on any subject, including abortion.
 
I don’t want a relationship with people who don’t respect my freedom even if they are my children. You didn’t respond to my comment on this part of the debate. What transgender people want is to twist my arm behind my back and force me to use their pronouns, as well as force me to believe what they believe about gender. Then if I don’t, they can say, “you are responsible for making me commit suicide?’”
How do you define love? Because to me, this is the opposite of love.
 
Lara said:
don’t want a relationship with people who don’t respect my freedom even if they are my children.
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Are you a parent or are you talking only from a theoretical point of view?
 
Lara said:
don’t want a relationship with people who don’t respect my freedom even if they are my children. You didn’t respond to my comment on this part of the debate. What transgender people want is to twist my arm behind my back and force me to use their pronouns,
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I think what they actually want is to be treated with basic human dignity.
 
BornInMarch said:
Children often have trouble figuring themselves out, which is indeed why medical procedures associated with transitioning and aren’t easily reversible (such as surgery) are only allowed to be preformed on adults who have submitted to psychological tests.
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Hahaha!
Okay
 
BornInMarch said:
As for detransitioning, I’ve heard that cases of that are exceedingly rare - like less than 1%.
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The statistics you’ve seen, and I’ve seen them too, are a trick.

First of all, how are they defining “transgender” and “detransitioning”?
The kid who occasionally feels odd in their body?
The kid who is cross dressing and has their close friends call them their preferred name?
The kid who cut (or grew) their hair and is loudly insisting on names and pronouns but never took hormones?
The kid who took hormones?
The kid who went and got top and/or bottom surgery?

And the other thing they don’t tell you is that sex change surgery work on the brain very similarly to abortion.
Ask a person who just went through either type of surgery.
They’ll generally tell you they’re please with the results.
But over time, they have a much higher rate of psychiatric, addictive and social problems than the general population.
 
And transgender people need to treat people with dignity too. Plus, we have always treated them with dignity. Just because a trans person has preferred terms in their head doesn’t make them right, nor does it give them the right to impose those terms on us. Traditional pronouns are correct.

Emotion should not supplant reason.
 
What if someone told a priest, “I will not call you Father as you are NOT a father and certainly not my father. Just because you think or feel that you are doesn’t make you right and I am not going to give in to your delusion.” Rude or just telling it like it really is?
 
Lara said:
Emotion should not supplant reason.
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Your soul doesn’t have a gender because souls do not process the need to reproduce. Therefor your sex is simply the result of genetic 1s and 0s. Therefore why should it matter if you want to switch?
 
Anonkun said:
If your grandparents were suffering from dementia and believed monsters were hiding in the TV, would you agree with them out of “dignity?”
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Do you believe that it would be better to have the same argument every day for the rest of their natural lives? Is that really a better solution? Or how about the case where Grandma forgot that Grandpa died 10 years ago. Is it better to remind her every time she mentions him and asks how he is doing and thereby open the wound all over again, or to play along and leave her to her thoughts in peace?
 
One might possibly imagine that poster doing something similar, as intuitively awkward as that might appear. In order to make a point, that is. The present poster, OTOH, did not withdraw any posts recently.
 
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