Prominent Catholics call on pope to oust S.F. archbishop

[St_Pancake]

So does going 30mph in a school zone or not stopping when a bus has its red lights on the other side of the road. Or a million other things.

I am not defending drunk driving, but just think most people don’t realize how little it takes to get to 0.08% BAC. Way before you feel “buzzed”. Often 1-2 drinks will get you there.

So just offering education. It’s best to drink zero and drive.

I rarely drink but that wasn’t always the case. Your idea of having a personal breathalyzer is a good one.

 

[Dawnia]

Well, my personal opinion is that you should not drink and drive. Is it not a mortal sin to recklessly endanger the life of an innocent child?

What child was put at risk? He wasn’t pulled over for driving unsafely. He was stopped at a check point.

 

[Tomdstone]

What child was put at risk? He wasn’t pulled over for driving unsafely. He was stopped at a check point.

I am not talking about any specific case. I am talking about whether or not it is gravely wrong to drink and drive. Every 53 minutes on average, someone is killed in a drunk driving crash in the USA. (9,878 people in total in 2011). Every two minutes, someone is injured by a drunk driver in the USA. Is it a mortal sin to put someone’s life in danger by driving while drunk or do you say it is OK and there is nothing wrong with it, even though 10,000 people have been killed per year by drunk drivers? I thought that there was a Commandment given to Moses on Mt Sinai which said: Thou shalt not kill? Drinking alcohol impairs your ability to drive safely and puts lives of others at risk. IMHO, you should never drink and drive, no matter how much you’ve consumed.

 

[Jon_S_1]

I am not talking about any specific case. I am talking about whether or not it is gravely wrong to drink and drive. Every 53 minutes on average, someone is killed in a drunk driving crash in the USA. (9,878 people in total in 2011). Every two minutes, someone is injured by a drunk driver in the USA. Is it a mortal sin to put someone’s life in danger by driving while drunk or do you say it is OK and there is nothing wrong with it, even though 10,000 people have been killed per year by drunk drivers? I thought that there was a Commandment given to Moses on Mt Sinai which said: Thou shalt not kill? Drinking alcohol impairs your ability to drive safely and puts lives of others at risk. IMHO, you should never drink and drive, no matter how much you’ve consumed.

It’s not a black and white issue. Let’s say you have a beer at a bbq and then 4 hours later drive home and crash and kill someone. Maybe you crashed because of a simple accident and your BAC is 0.01%. You can be charged with DUI for that.

Is that more dangerous than going 75 in a 65? I don’t know. Is it mortal sin? I think in general speeding a little is not, but I can see where it could be.

I agree you should not drink and drive. Ever. But I have to question this sort of moral absolute attitude regarding complex situations and also really don’t see how it relates to anything.

People make mistakes. It’s not like theres a pattern of drunkeness and unsafe driving with the archbishop. I don’t think this should be used to attack his character. A classic example of “he who is without sin cast the first stone”.

 

[Tomdstone]

People make mistakes.

True. People do make mistakes. I was reading in the LA Times today p. A11, about a man in Chapel Hill, N.C., who made the mistake of killing 3 Muslim students because he did not like where they parked their car. Mistakes are oftentimes fatal to innocent bystanders.

 

[Jon_S_1]

True. People do make mistakes. I was reading in the LA Times today p. A11, about a man in Chapel Hill, N.C., who made the mistake of killing 3 Muslim students because he did not like where they parked their car. Mistakes are oftentimes fatal to innocent bystanders.

Are you equating ratial profiling murders to going 10 mph over the speed limit?

 

[Dawnia]

I am not talking about any specific case. I am talking about whether or not it is gravely wrong to drink and drive. Every 53 minutes on average, someone is killed in a drunk driving crash in the USA. (9,878 people in total in 2011). Every two minutes, someone is injured by a drunk driver in the USA. Is it a mortal sin to put someone’s life in danger by driving while drunk or do you say it is OK and there is nothing wrong with it, even though 10,000 people have been killed per year by drunk drivers? I thought that there was a Commandment given to Moses on Mt Sinai which said: Thou shalt not kill? Drinking alcohol impairs your ability to drive safely and puts lives of others at risk. IMHO, you should never drink and drive, no matter how much you’ve consumed.

Then, how do you propose the thousands of Catholics who partake in the communion blood get home after Mass?

 

[estesbob]

I wouldn’t be surprised if there are. There are also heretical Catholic dioceses. Do these invalidate the teaching of the Church or Her commitment to Her doctrine?

Does shaking the hand of the head of the Family Rsearch Council do so?

 

[ARSpade]

However, he will have to evangelize the dissenters somehow.

Some people you’re just not going to reach no matter how you present the material. And then you’ll need to knock the dust off your sandals and move on.

Everybody’s not going to get saved. It’s sad, but there it is.

 

[Dawnia]

Some people you’re just not going to reach no matter how you present the material. And then you’ll need to knock the dust off your sandals and move on.

Everybody’s not going to get saved. It’s sad, but there it is.

I think there’s a scene from the Bible as well where Jesus basically says not to chase after those who don’t want to listen.

 

[McCall1981]

Love this, from Sandro Magister’s blog:

"Diocese of San Francisco: When the thugs get beaten up"

April 20, 2015

San Francisco’s Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone
That is the headline from the blog of veteran Italian journalist Sandro Magister, writing for L’Espresso, one of Italy’s two most prominent weeklies. The piece includes the following…

… "To reinforce the impact of the appeal’s publication, SFGate also launched a questionnaire with four pre-determined answers—two pro and two con—to this question: Should Pope Francis remove Archbishop Cordileone from the San Francisco archdiocese?

And what came of it? The overwhelming majority lined up not to fire the archbishop, but to defend him.

For the sake of accuracy, at noon on Sunday, April 19th, here are the results of the questionnaire:

77% answered: “No, the archbishop is upholding the values of the Catholic Church.”

11%: “Yes, the archbishop is fostering a climate of intolerance.”

10%: “No, the archbishop is right to oppose same-sex marriage.”

2%: “Yes, his morality clauses for teachers in parochial schools defies the law.”

Evidently, the signatories of the appeal are “prominent Catholics”, but they have neither the pulse nor the following of bulk of the faithful, not even in the U.S. city depicted by the media as the most “liberal”.

As for Pope Francis, it is simply unthinkable that he remove Cordileone."

catholicworldreport.com/Blog/3823/diocese_of_san_francisco_when_the_thugs_get_beaten_up.aspx

 

[anthony022071]

“The list of signatories includes Brian Cahill, the retired executive director of Catholic Charities…”

 

[zz912]

“The list of signatories includes Brian Cahill, the retired executive director of Catholic Charities…”

I would say I’m surprised or amazed, but I’m not.

 

[ProVobis]

I apologize if this is redundant information.

catholicvote.org/big-political-donors-in-san-francisco-bully-the-archbishop/

Big Political Donors in San Francisco Bully the Archbishop
By Elizabeth Argue

Over 100 prominent Catholics in San Francisco have paid for a full-page advertisement asking Pope Francis to oust Archbishop Cordileone for fostering “an atmosphere of division and intolerance.” His crime? Setting the expectation that San Francisco’s Catholic schools would follow the teachings of the Church.

But with a little digging, it becomes clear that these “concerned Catholics” might be more interested in promoting a radical political agenda.

Here’s what I was able to dig up on a few of the wealthy San Franciscans who signed the letter. It’s a little fishy that these “concerned Catholics” have consistently contributed to politicians who radically oppose Church teaching. See what else you can find … and post in the comments! We can’t let them get away with this.

Charles Geschke (chairman of Adobe Systems and previously head of the Board of Trustees at the University of San Francisco)

• Donated over $200,000 to the Democratic Congressional campaign committee

• $40,000 in support of the Democratic National Committee

• $2,300 in support of Nancy Pelosi, who claims to be Catholic but openly supports abortion

• $4,000 in support of John Kerry, another Catholic who supports abortion

Clint Reilly (political consultant and businessman)

• Contributed $25,000 to the Democratic Congressional Campaign in 2006

• $28,500 to the Democratic Congressional Campaign in 2008.

• $5,000 in support of Barack Obama, who has consistently opposed religious liberty

• $4,600 to Nancy Pelosi

• $5,000 to the Democratic National Committee in 2014

Lou Giraudo (former city commissioner and business executive)

-Contributed to over $24,000 to Nancy Pelosi

• $6,000 to Dianne Feinstein

• $4,300 to Barbara Boxer

 

[zz912]

True. People do make mistakes. I was reading in the LA Times today p. A11, about a man in Chapel Hill, N.C., who made the mistake of killing 3 Muslim students because he did not like where they parked their car. Mistakes are oftentimes fatal to innocent bystanders.

This is simply ridiculous. One of the most ridiculous statements I’ve seen on here. It’s not a “mistake” to kill three people intentionally.

That you compare it to accidently having a drink or two too many is ridiculous.

 

[FollowChrist34]

Love this, from Sandro Magister’s blog:

"Diocese of San Francisco: When the thugs get beaten up"

April 20, 2015

San Francisco’s Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone
That is the headline from the blog of veteran Italian journalist Sandro Magister, writing for L’Espresso, one of Italy’s two most prominent weeklies. The piece includes the following…

… "To reinforce the impact of the appeal’s publication, SFGate also launched a questionnaire with four pre-determined answers—two pro and two con—to this question: Should Pope Francis remove Archbishop Cordileone from the San Francisco archdiocese?

And what came of it? The overwhelming majority lined up not to fire the archbishop, but to defend him.

For the sake of accuracy, at noon on Sunday, April 19th, here are the results of the questionnaire:

77% answered: “No, the archbishop is upholding the values of the Catholic Church.”

11%: “Yes, the archbishop is fostering a climate of intolerance.”

10%: “No, the archbishop is right to oppose same-sex marriage.”

2%: “Yes, his morality clauses for teachers in parochial schools defies the law.”

Evidently, the signatories of the appeal are “prominent Catholics”, but they have neither the pulse nor the following of bulk of the faithful, not even in the U.S. city depicted by the media as the most “liberal”.

As for Pope Francis, it is simply unthinkable that he remove Cordileone."

catholicworldreport.com/Blog/3823/diocese_of_san_francisco_when_the_thugs_get_beaten_up.aspx

Well done, my brethren.

 

[Mousey]

No?

The term “gay” was originally used as a pejorative by heterosexuals towards gay people (a “f****t” equivalent) that was then taken over by the LGBT community in response to try to “take it back.” During the parades and riots throughout the 60s and 70s, banners were held up by gays protesting police and civil brutality with the language “Good As You,” which is where the modern usage of the term “gay” came from. Nowhere in the history of the term “gay” has it ever been used in a Marxist fashion.

You are mistaken about the origin of the word.
Etymology of gay
It has been claimed that gay stands for “Good As You”, but there is no evidence for this: it is a folk etymology backronym

 

[WonderAndAwe]

I always thought gay was a synonym for joyous and festive.

 

[Johann_du_Toit]

I don’t defend Archbishop Cordileone’s drunk driving conviction, but it was an honest mistake in which nobody was hurt. It’s doesn’t effect his capacity to lead the Diocese and spread the Gospel.

Besides, doesn’t the Church teach forgiveness?

 

[ProVobis]

I always thought gay was a synonym for joyous and festive.

That’s been replaced with “fun”.

cnn.com/2013/10/30/us/hallmark-deck-the-halls-ornament/