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Colmcille
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Does anybody know how to identify who the rabbi was who converted at or shortly after the end of WWII in Rome?Sonia Gandhi?
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Joe_Kelley
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I think you are looking for Rabbi Israel Zolli, who took the name Eugenio at his baptism, out of respect for Pope Pius XII [Eugenio Paccelli] He was Chief Rabbi of Rome during WWII and was converted by the example of Pope Pius XIIâs protection of the Jews during that time.Does anybody know how to identify who the rabbi was who converted at or shortly after the end of WWII in Rome?
I think that Google will give you any information that you want.
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Colmcille
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Thanks, Joe, for the timely response! It seems the media would have the RC church as having collaborating with Nazi Germany to oppress Jews, but this helps show the opposite. Along a bit of a different tack, the media seems to wilfully ignore Benjamin Banneckerâs accomplishments and role in the design, architecture and construction of the city of Washington, D.C., while favoring LâEnfant.
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FCEGM
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I hadnât known about her until you asked, so I did a search and sure enough, sheâs a convert to Catholicism.
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Yeshualuver
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Sorry, but Paul remained a Torah observant Jew throughout his life: taking Nazirite vows, going up to Jerusalem each year to observe the three annual feasts where it was necessary for observant Jews to be in Jerusalem for these feasts. When confronted at the Temple in Jerusalem for teaching Jews to abandon the Torah, Paul defended that he had not done so.
Paul, after accepting Yeshua as the Messiah, didnât keep Torah for salvation though. And the Judaism Paul observed was vastly different from the Rabbinic Judaism many Jews observe today which is Torah plus endless âoral traditionsâ added on. Paul wasnât concerned about those, nor should we be concerned about âtraditionsâ outside of Sacred Scripture.
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Harmony1988
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Ha, the amount of evidence to disprove you is so enormous, Iâm seriously thinking you didnât do any research on this matter. Google please.
Here is a simple disproof of your initial premise:
"Paul remained a Torah observant Jew throughout his life: " - Incorrect, if this was true then he wouldnât have said in his letters that not circumsizing is OK. Torah observant Jews wouldnât say that.
âCircumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God.â 1 Corinthians 7:19 - Commandments of what now? The commandments of Jesus. Since he now decrees that circumsion is not required anymore, it obviously indicates the old covenant regarding the mosaic law is no more.
Him observing Jewish festivals doesnât disprove anything, even Jesus did it, because it was what? Repeat after me, TRADITIONAL, there was nothing wrong with observing traditions, you have just disproved yourself.
I am Catholic, but my native country is Sri Lanka, I observe a lot of the cultural festivals and traditions as they donât contradict my faith, Sri Lanka is a buddhist country.
Iâm not going to bother with the rest when you canât get simple little things correct. Correct your first statement then we can deal with the rest.
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inthecloud
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Paul was a Pharisee, the inmediate forerunners of Rabbinical Judaism.
And Pharisees were accused of putting walls around the Torah and putting oral tradition above the Torah even before Jesus times as the Dead Sea Scrollâs have proven.
You are free to believe what you want but not to make your own facts.
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Lui
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I think John Wayne was always Catholic:
nndb.com/people/605/000023536/
Other converts:
- Salvador Dali converted to Catholicism.
- Oscar Wilde is a deathbed convert from Anglican to Catholicism
- Gary Cooper
- Arlo Guthrie
- Roman Polanski converted from Judaism to Catholicism when he was a child and was a devoted Catholic for a time but lost faith after the death of Sharon Tate
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LilyM
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Good heavens, Paul criticised Peter for refusing to eat with Gentiles. Sounds like the opposite of someone who is fastidious about keeping Torah, no?
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SEBASTIANMARTIN
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John Wayneâs wife and children were catholic. His son has reported that he converted on his deathbed.
I am surprised no one has proclaimed J. R.R. Tolkein!
I am surprised no one has proclaimed J. R.R. Tolkein!
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wildervine
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But wasnât J.R.R. Tolkein always Catholic? His mom was a convert, I believe, and from what I understand, J.R.R. considered her a martyr to the Faith, as she was abandoned by her family when she became Catholic, and subsequently died from (I think) diabetes with no aid from them whatsoever.
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Lui
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Patricia Heaton who played Debra Barone on Everybody Loves Raymond was a Roman Catholic(her sister is a nun) who once said âonce a Catholic, always a Catholicâ. Now she converted and is a Presbyterian
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mozier
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Malcolm Muggeridge, perhaps Englandâs most famous agnostic back in the day, found his way into the Catholic Church. He ended up being one of the churchâs greatest defenders and media commentators.
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Yeshualuver
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Iâll go you one better than Google. The Holy Bible.
- Paul identified himself as a Jew even to his dying day. In Acts 23:6 he said: âI am (not âwasâ) a Pharisee.â He even declared that his observance of the Torah was âblameless,â which indicates he observed a Jewish lifestyle to the very end. (Philippians 3:6). Paul testified that he had kept the Torah throughout his life. (Acts 25:7-8 and Acts 28:17)
- Paul circumcised Timothy, the son of a Jewish mother and Greek father. Paul considered Timothy to be Jewish and wanted him to be circumcised before taking him on a mission trip to assist with a ministry to the Jews. (Acts 16:1-3)
- Paul regularly attended synagogue.âWhen they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where there was a Jewish synagogue. As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures.â Acts 17:1-2
- Paul went to Jerusalem to keep the âfeastâ (probably Passover) at the end of his second missionary journey. (Acts 18:21-22 and
1 Cor 5:7) - Paul took a Nazirite vow (Acts 18:18 and see Numbers 6:2-6, 13-18)
- Paul sailed away from Philippi âafter the days of Unleavened Breadâ (Acts 20:6), indicating that he observed Passover and the Days of Unleavened Bread with the church at Philippi (1 Cor. 5:7)
- After leaving Philippi,he sailed along the coast of Asia Minor but skipped Ephesus because he wanted to be in Jerusalem for the Feast of Pentecost (Shavuâot) (Acts 20:16). This was the end of his third missionary journey.
- Paul lived in âobservance of the Torahâ (Acts 21:23-24) and offered sacrifices in the Jewish Temple (Acts 21:26). Notice that Paul was not only willing to pay for his own sacrifices in order to be released at the end of the Nazirite vow, but paying also for the those sacrifices of four other Jewish brothers! **Notice that he did this at the express with of James, the head of the Jerusalem church! **
- Paulâs disagreement with Peter in which he rebuked Peter (Galatians 2:11-14) had to do with the requirements of Gentiles and whether they had to convert to Judaism to become Christians, NOT about the lifestyle of Jewish believers.
- Paul noticed that the prison ship (upon which he was sailing to Rome) was going too slowly and that âthe fast was now already pastâ (Acts 27:9). The âfastâ he is referring to is Yom Kippur.
There is something VERY wrong in observing traditions if by them you think you merit some sort of âbrownie pointâ system before the Lord.
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Yeshualuver
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Ok, letâs look at the original 12. JewishâŚevery single one of them. Peterâs sermon on the day of Pentecost was given from the steps of the Temple and it was thoroughly Jewish. He quoted copiously from the Hebrew Scriptures which wouldâve meant little to any Gentiles in earshot (if there were any as Pentecost/Shavuâot is a Jewish festival). It is probable that all 3,000 converts on the Day of Pentecost were all Jews (Acts 2:1-41).âŚok⌠anywayâŚ
How about even FURTHER back?
The original 12.
The earliest members of this new Jewish sect were all Jewish and met regularly in the Temple, were Gentiles were explicity excluded (Acts 2:46).
The apostles Peter and John are recorded as having gone regularly to the Temple for the afternoon prayers and sacrifices (Acts 3:1).
The ministry of the apostles continued almost exclusively among the Jews, among whom were thousands who believed in Yeshua and were âzealous for the law/ Torahâ (Acts 21:20)
After they were imprisoned and miraculously escaped, the angel told them to go and stand in the Temple and speak to the people the words of life. (Acts 5:20)
When Stephen was called before the High Priest and Sanhedrin, he gave a defense that was thoroughly Jewish encompassing the entire history of Israel before being martyred (Acts 7)
Even Peterâs vision to visit Cornelius a âGod fearerâ (ger tzeddek) meant that according to Jewish terms Cornelius visited the synagogue and observed Jewish customs and traditions (Acts 10).
Peter was uncomfortable about eating the âunkosherâ animals in the vision and was uncomfortable about entering the house of a non-Jew. This indicates that Peter was still very Torah observant even after 3 years of being with Jesus.
Letâs stop imposing upon the Apostles beliefs that they didnât hold nor were even introduced until 300-400 years after them. Beliefs I doubt they would even hold today.
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inthecloud
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Well, do you remember that the apostles has disciples?
Do you realize that many their writtings are available today?
Or you believe that Constantine/trail of blood lies?
The beliefs of the Early Christian are very well documented.
And the Dead Sea Scrolls have shown us the Jewish origin of most of them. And the Didache have been found with fragments in Hebrew. Paul was a Pharisee, but not the others, and the seconf generation had many non Jews like Sirians and Greeks.
Now how is inventing history?
Paul started as a Pharisee, but quoting the Act in a out of order way do not account that people do change over time. Even Biblical concepts.
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inthecloud
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BTW Pharisees do not believe in Sola Scriptura.
Neither the Early Christians.
That was a recent Protestant invention.
Neither the Early Christians.
That was a recent Protestant invention.
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