Proof for praying to saints

[Realcatholicgk]

The man is a monster. He sickens me, and makes me ashamed to be the same speces.

I do not consider myself a chilkd of the Devil so we are ine same speces as that abomination.

All abortionists are in for a rude awakening when those dead babies are raised to life on the last day and they are forced to explain to God why they murdered them to begin with.

**From your lips to God’s ear! **

If God is going to judge america for it’s abortion holocaust, as Fr. Corapi has stated, I look forward to it. These children were murdered in cold blood and deserve justice. I feel these children have more right to live than I do, since I have done some serious sins myself - and they are innocent.:bighanky:
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I am an “active” follower of Fr Corapi. We are called Powerful Catholics

[SIGN] Powerful Catholic’s Motto**
Live your life in such a way that when your feet hit the floor in the morning, Satan shudders & says… ‘Oh hell…he’s awake!!’ [/SIGN]

I, like Fr John, will blame our country’s problems on turning against God. We allow Him to be removed from our schools, from our lives. Sure the babies deserve justice, so does GOD! And I think God will see rightist men trying to STOP the madness that Satan forcing on our country, in an attempt to turn it Godless, so he can rule here unopposed! It looks like it may happen during my life time and I am an old man, however I pray not!

Don’t speak foolish, Chris all God’s children have the right to live. Jesus forgives our sins. He died so we might have eternal life!

Many times, I become as sinless as a unborn child, but then I foolishly, being human, sin again. Thank God for his ability to forgive us as many time as needed seven times seventy seven times if that is what it takes!
The Parable of the Unmerciful Servant "Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?”
Jesus answered, "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy times seven[a] "Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. Matthew 18:21-23

I don’t have to forgive the doctor because He did not sin against me. He sined against God Almighty! I can have righist indignation.

If God forgives it is because He is God, I often fall short of what I wish I could do. That my friend is called being human.

God Bless

 

[Realcatholicgk]

Blessings***

I think we would benefit better by praying for God’s Mercy.
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Hi BM,

We do, join us!**

MINUTE OF PRAYER
“If my people, which are called by my name shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from Heaven, and will forgive their sins, and will heal their land.“ -2 Chronicles 7:14.
During World War II, an advisor to Winston Churchill organized a national prayer movement. This group of people dropped what they were doing nightly at a prescribed hour for one minute of collective prayer for the safety of England, its people and peace. This had an amazing effect as the daily bombing stopped! There is currently a similar movement in the USA. At 8:00 PM CST, you are asked to stop what you are doing and spend one minute praying for the safety of the United States, for our troops and our citizens, for wisdom and courage for our leaders, for world peace and that the Bible will remain the basis for the laws governing our land and that Christianity will grow in the USA. Someone once said that, if people really understood the full extent of the power we have through prayer, we might be speechless.

I certainly beleive God’s Kingdom would benefit in the long run. We need to think about all the souls who haven’t converted yet. What would happen to them if God envoked His Justice NOW? All those souls would perish in the fire.

**Nothing we can do benefits God’s kingdom. The ones that have not ‘converted’ may be fine. It is the ones that have heard the word of God, believe that Jesus is the only way to Heaven and still refused to follow His real teachings as taught by the Catholic church that might have the problems.

The souls aren’t actually our worry, we are only responsible for that part of the earth that God has alloted to us and our own souls!**

I know it pains your heart as it does mine to see these babies being killed but we have to look at this in a different way. These babies are being welcomed into the Kingdom. There sacrafice isn’t going un-noticed.

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That doesn’t matter! Those points are invalid!**

There lives are being sacraficed for man.

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No Jesus life was sacraficed for man. Their lives are being sacrificed “by” man! to the Devil, a Blood sacrifice!**

If God envoked His justice for the sin’s of these doctors now, mankind as a whole would suffer and satan would win.

**The final judgement is a “win” for Satan? Have you read the bible? **

We need to remember to pay attention to the details, the message is always in the details…

**The devil is in the details Like the real church being 2,000 years old and the counterfeit ones having no authority here on earth except through the Catholic church which along can interpret tradition, written and oral! All others miss one little detail! authority! **

Ask your Holy Mother to intercede on the poor sinners behalf and ask Her to ask Her Son to withhold His Fathers hand from the justice we rightfully deserve.

Amen, I pray the Rosary every day. My “prayer group” over 9,000 strong, prays both the Rosary and the Divine Mercy Chaplet daily for the conversion of Protestants and the end of Abortion.

God’s Justice will come soon enough, there is no need to pray for it to come any sooner.

** Even If Jesus tells you to personally? Have you ever prayed the Our Father? We pray it and always ask for His kindom to come NOW! **

Has everyone you know came to the Lord yet?

**I saved some Catholics from being lead away by the devil. I don’t pull them back to hard, they must return for the right reasons. If they leave the catholic faith they had no faith in the first place kind of like that dumb Protestant OSAS theory . No one that believes in the real presence can leave the only church that offers it through apolostic succession. others can claim they do but even many of them use grape juices they might as well eat oreos for all the good it does their souls. And once Jesus’ presence is physicall here, it stays! Go sit in a Catholic church alone, and if your ‘spirit" is alive as Jesus says in John 6, you will quicky realize that you are not alone. You don’t need two or more for Jesus spiritual being to be there. He is physically there, at the last supper and hanging on the cross and “You are There” You are actually with your lord and savior there. He didn’t suffer and die again for you. You go and joined Him at His death. I often cry, unashamed at Mass! Some people understand, others will just have to experience Jesus’ love for themselves. They have to accept His sacrafice for their sins. They have to reject Satan and all his teachings.It isn’t easy But, by the Grace of God it happens! **

If not, then cry for Mercy and Time for these loved ones…

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They have been warned. it is all written in scriptures! Let God’s will be done, not ours but His!

In closing 4 thoughts from a few of my personal heros:

“Eat me. I am the bread of the strong. But you will not transform me and make me part of you. Rather, I will transform you And make you part of ME”- St Augustine

“Dear God, do You know the greatest grief one of Your creatures can bear? It is the thought that she can never love You enough. ” - St. Gemma Galgani

“It is more important to remember God than it is to remember to breathe.” – St. Gregory of Nazianzus (At the age of 8 years old I picked Gregory as my confirmation name after reading that quote)

“For life is to be with Christ; where Christ is, there is life, there is the kingdom”. – St. Ambrose

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Peace***

God Bless

 

[BMSODM]

Blessings RealC***

I thank you for your reply and may God’s grace and peace be upon you and may His Wisdom rise to the top of our minds…

You said: “The souls aren’t actually our worry, we are only responsible for that part of the earth that God has alloted to us and our own souls!”

If we desire to be saints then they should be our first priority. Just read some of the lives of the saints. You will see that the souls were there only priority.

You stated: “Nothing we can do benefits God’s kingdom.”

I would seriously have to disagree with that. The prayer of a righteous man avaith much. Everything we do should be about our Father’s Kingdom and our work will not go un-noticed. The souls that may be alright isn’t good enough. I’m not willing to gamble with one of God’s souls, are you?

you said: “Their lives are being sacrificed “by” man! to the Devil, a Blood sacrifice!”

I’m confident that there souls have returned to God and that is every child’s desire of God’s Kingdom, to return to God. So how does satan benifit in the long run from this? The only way he benifits is from the souls he will take of the ones who never repent from such an act of disgust of killing an innocent child.

you siad: "The final judgement is a “win” for Satan? Have you read the bible? "

I have read my bible, infact I read the bible alone for over 5yrs and I’m pretty sure that even satan himself has to be bound and cast into the lake before its sealed. So I can’t really see this as a victory by satan. If he really one then I’m sure he wouldn’t just mind walking into the lake without being forced. The only way you could call it a partial win for him is because of the souls he stole from God…Which is far more worse then any abortion.

you said: "Have you ever prayed the Our Father? We pray it and always ask for His kindom to come NOW! "

I have prayed it, thank you… “Thy kingdom come” …Not sure what bible you have, but mine doesn’t say Thy Kingdom come NOW. We should pray for the coming of the kingdom, but we should pray for it to come in accord to God’s Will, not ours.

Keep in mind I’m not defending these animals act’s of murder. I can’t judge the hearts of these men and I don’t know what will happen in there lives. I can only pray that they will be given eyes to see there sins and come to repent before the Lord. Its our job to forgive everyone, even them. And anyone who says they can’t or even worse won’t forgive them I would say needs to check there heart. If we can’t forgive, then don’t expect to be forgiven for your sins. Did you ever tell a lie? I will be willing to bet you will tell another one before the week is out, so are you any better then them?

Peace***

 

[guanophore]

**Hi guan,

I am sorry dear. This surpasses “tresspassing” He did not tresspass against me!! That monster murdered 60 Thousand babies. 60 Thousand. I can not consider them “tresspasses”. They are sins against life, sins against God Almighty Himself. I fear I could only be judged, if I did forgive him!

“There are six things which the Lord hates, Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: 17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, And hands that shed innocent blood, **18 A heart that devises wicked plans, Feet that run rapidly to evil, 19 A false witness who utters lies, And one who spreads strife among brothers” Prov 6.16

I am not judging Him, I acknowledge that it is God’s job alone to preform the final judgement. However, If the price demanded by God for that monster to burn in Hell was for me personally to joining him in the pits of hell for not being able to forgiving him. I would gladdly jump in feet first!

But, I know my God is a fair and just God. He would not allow me to make that sacrafice when the man condemns himself through his actions. I refuse to pray for his soul! That man is an abonination! I would spit on his grave! I will pray for his damnation not salvation!

My God, My God, is the United States so corrupted that you have hardened your heart even towards our children in the womb? Can you not provide these innocent babies any justice? I beg you in Jesus name, stop this monster. May his soul burn in hell forever! Amen~!

As a God fearing Christian, I will pray daily that this “animal” burns in Hell! God, nor a rightist man should not disapprove of that. If anyone does, I say now ~ “Shame on you to the sixth generation!” Your god is not my God nor is he the real God Almighty!

Can he be forgiven? Of course, God can forgive anything He desires. Can he be forgiven by me? Not in this life time! I dispise him and all others like him. may they all burn in hell, I ask this through my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Give those 60 thousand babies Justice! Amen!

God Bless

GK, Jesus did not excuse some trespasses and say that we could still hold them against people. Such persons need more of our prayers, not less! How many of the saints did Paul punish and murder before he was converted? Some of these worst sinners also make the best saints. I just listened to Fr. Corapi’s testimony on Immaculate Heart Radio last night. He was a very bad man.

Anyway, unforgiveness is like taking a poison pill, and expecting the other person to die. It really does more damage to the person holding the unforgiveness that it does the perpetrator, who, as you have rightly noted, will bear the penalty of his own sins unless He comes to grace.

 

[Realcatholicgk]

GK, Jesus did not excuse some trespasses and say that we could still hold them against people. Such persons need more of our prayers, not less!
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hi guan,

This isn’t about trespasses, this is about justice. If someone steals from you, you may forgive him, there is still a fee to be paid! If someone steals from someone else what right have you to forgive them a little “godly” there aren’t we? I want justice for the 60 thousand murdered babies. The children’s souls cry out for justice! As stated before I fear that I could only be judged by God if I did forgive him! I would rot in Hell before I would pray for George Tiller. Period! Non negotiable. **

How many of the saints did Paul punish and murder before he was converted? Some of these worst sinners also make the best saints.

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How many babies did St. Paul kill? I would agree St. Paul and St. Augustine among others weren’t obvious “Saints”! An old saying: “God doesn’t chose the qualified. He qualifies the chosen” **

And If I just listened to Fr. Corapi’s testimony on Immaculate Heart Radio last night. He was a very bad man.

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Yes, he was, I love the man! Shamefully, I might not be real wrong to say that he wasn’t half as bad as I was, but that is a different story. Luckily forall of us “God” forgives repentant people. I know my sins were forgiven, But I do realize there is a toll that must be paid. **

Anyway, unforgiveness is like taking a poison pill, and expecting the other person to die.

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“Sure, everyone always said ‘Socrates what is the meaning of life?’ or ‘Socrates how can I find happiness?’, but did anyone ever say ‘Socrates hemlock is poison.’ ?” --Socrates **

It really does more damage to the person holding the unforgiveness that it does the perpetrator, who, as you have rightly noted, will bear the penalty of his own sins unless He comes to grace.

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As I stated previously, I forgive people who offend me! George Tiller did not offen me.He offens God Almighty. I “owe” him NO forgiveness. I can pray for or against anyone that I desire. I have free will. That is scriptural! Therefore, I decided He will get no prayers for me except the “damnation prays” that I will pray every day! God can judge me on that but I think He will rather say :“Well done, my good and faithful servant. You heard, you believed, and you lived what I taught!”
I would never pray for any child of Satan. No! I know what you are thinking! Do not be fooled, we are not all “Children of God”. Yes!We are all God’s creations. However, some of the people Satan claims for his use! I would hate to hear the devil laughing at my foolishness if I prayed for his servants!.
God can forgive or judge George Tiller, I won’t! But I also will not offer one prayer in his behalf. I do pray for the mothers and fathers who allow this sin to be committed. I pray for the “protectors” who helped or allowed their baby to be murdered. God, where is your justice? Sometimes I pray that they never realize what they did so they can go unpunished, other times my heart hardens and I hope they reap what they sowed! I guess, that is part of being human! I have to let that go in order to receive God’s graces. That is why, to me, the sacraments are so important! Poor Protestants could never understand the peace that comes with absolution or the Eucharist! Poor, foolish, lost sheep. I pray for them daily also.

God Bless**

 

[Realcatholicgk]

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Hi BM,

For space, I had to edit your remarks. Refer to your post! **

I thank you &c…&c…of our minds…

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Amen!
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You said: “The souls aren’t actually our worry, we are only responsible for that part of the earth that God has alloted to us and our own souls!”

If we desire &c…&c…only priority.

**Now just who decided that DM? That is your opinion. I have read many saints live stories. Their own soul was a priotity many times. I don’t remember many saints concerned with others souls. Of course we should all desire to become saints. I rather worry about the souls of god fear protestants than an animal. A son of satan, who is murdering children. 60 Thousand babies, murdered! **

You stated: “Nothing &c…&c…ingdom.”

I would&c…&c…&c…, are you?

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Well DM, there is that old saying about opinions. Everything we do should honor God. Only God can judge the righeousness of a man. Only He can see the soul! God where is your justice?**

you said: “Their &c…&c… sacrifice!”

I’m &c…&c…&c…&c…child.

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Exactly my point! Because Satan got the soul of the Mother, the Father, The Driver, and other “assisters” for each of the 60 thousand babies that this animal murdered plus the parents of the 47 Million babies aborted in the past 30 years in the United States. That amounts to 2 babies being murdered every minute for the past 30 years. They think they did nothing wrong and when God judges them for Murder they will be shocked! **

you said: "The &c…&c…bible? "

I have &c…&c…&c… any abortion.
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DM , actually YOU stated: “The final judgement is a “win” for Satan”** I added a “question mark” to YOUR “statement!” Now you areee with me against your first statement? Do you argue to argue? That the final judgement will be a win for Satan isn’t written or thought of in any bible that I have ever read (many over 40 years) That is why I asked If you have read a bible.
Anyway, let me state that another way: “God will triumph over Satan”. Satan will not win! To steal souls is Satan’s Job, and yes, he does it well!
So many people are damned for following Satan and worshiping their own personal vices and lusts rather than God Almighty. But the murder of 60 Thousand babies! God, where is your justice? {Quote=] you said: "&c…&c…&c…NOW! "

I have &c…&c…&c…, not ours.

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The NOW was my editorial remark! My point may have been poorly written in the wee hours of the night. What I was attempting to say Is: We pray for the coming of God’s kingdom. We, want it to come now, or al least that is what I have been taught to think of as I pray " thy kindgom come, thy will be done, hare as it is in Heaven!" That is what we should all be hopeing for his coming, not our death, but our rebirth for eternality with God! To say you believe in God yet not desire His Kindgom to come NOW is a strange concept in my point of view. But I do respect your opinion. I do agree that the Kingdom will come according to God’s will, not our! But “everything” that happens does doesn’t it? God allows us to “influence” His will with our prayers. If not, why pray? However, I do not believe we can 'control" God’s actions. If so we would be God wouldn’t we? But I certainly believe He loves us and desires to make each one of us happy. So He does answer our prayers, if and how it suits His will! It has been said that God’s love is so great that if there was only one person in the entire world, God would love that person enough to send His son Jesus to die, just that one person’s sins. (A whole lot of “impossibilities in that” but a nice sentiment and probable true.) **

Keep in mind I’m not defending these animals act’s of murder.

** DM, That was assumed my friend! You are a christian! **

{qwuote=]I can’t &c…&c…&c…the Lord.

DM, Well by God, I can ! 60 thousand murders. Do you think that maybe the does it as a sacrafice for God himself.? Maybe He doies it to glorify God and add to the Saints? Do you think? If you do not “judge their actions, that in itsself is a judgement” I do not judge their “fate” That is only God’s right. Go ahead and judge their actions, we are allowed to “judge” what people do.

Its our &c…&c…7c… their heart.

**Where does it say that? It is my job to forgive people who tresspass against me! It not my job to forgive people who tresspass against anyone else! I do not judge anyone heart, just their evil actions. He did not offen me! He offended God. I would not even start to guess what God will do. I can only pray for justice for the 60 Thousand babies! Like the woman that Jesus asked “Does anyone judge you?” The doctor could say “No one!” and If God wanted not to answer my prayers for justice, I would accept that as His will! But my God, doesn’t work that way from what I have read! **

If we can’t forgive, then don’t expect to be forgiven for your sins.

DM, Of course I wouldn’t. To be forgiven we must forgive.

Did you ever tell a lie?

Me? Never!

I will be willing to bet **you will tell another one **before the week is out, so are you any better then them?

** DM, Excuse me but by that statement didn’t you just judge me as a liar? Let me say this slowly … 60 thousand babies verses lies, hmmm Yea I see your point!
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Peace***

God Bless

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[guanophore]

This isn’t about trespasses, this is about justice. If someone steals from you, you may forgive him, there is still a fee to be paid!

Do you somehow imagine that holding their sin against them will produce justice?

If someone steals from someone else what right have you to forgive them a little “godly” there aren’t we?

No. If it is anyone I care about, then I will take it personally. A tax accountant recently ripped off my mom. She is angry, and so am I . The offense was not against me.

I want justice for the 60 thousand murdered babies. The children's souls cry out for justice! As stated before I fear that I could only be judged by God if I did forgive him! I would rot in Hell before I would pray for George Tiller. Period! Non negotiable.

Then you are choosing to defy the commandment of God?

Matt 5:43-48

“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be children of your Father in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the righteous and on the unrighteous. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet only your brothers and sisters, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.”

 How many babies did St. Paul kill? I would agree St. Paul and St. Augustine among others weren't obvious "Saints"!  An old saying: "God doesn't chose the qualified. He qualifies the chosen"

We have no way of knowing what God has chosen Him to do, since he has been disobedient.

  Luckily forall of us "God" forgives repentant people. I know my sins were forgiven, But I do realize there is a toll that must be paid.

Then let us make reparation for his sins, instead of holding a resentment against him for committing them.

 As I stated previously, I forgive people who offend me! George Tiller did not offen me.

Don’t be ridiculous. You are very clearly offended by this man’s behaivor.

 He offens God Almighty. I "owe" him NO forgiveness. I can pray for or against anyone that I desire. I have free will. That is scriptural!

How do you square that with the scriptures above?

 Therefore, I decided He will get no prayers for me except the "damnation prays" that I will pray every day! God can judge me on that but I think He will rather say :"Well done, my good and faithful servant. You heard, you believed, and you lived what I taught!"

I would never pray for any child of Satan. No! I know what you are thinking! Do not be fooled, we are not all “Children of God”. Yes!We are all God’s creations. However, some of the people Satan claims for his use! I would hate to hear the devil laughing at my foolishness if I prayed for his servants!.

That is not for us to decide. I am sure the early church thought the same about Paul, which is why they reacted as they did when he was converted. Only God knows the heart, and it is our task to entrust souls to His all knowing heart.

 God can forgive or judge George Tiller, I won't!

Clearly, you have judged him.

 But I also will not offer one prayer in his behalf. I do pray for the mothers and fathers who allow this sin to be committed. I pray for the "protectors" who helped or allowed their baby to be murdered. God, where is your justice? Sometimes I pray that they never realize what they did so they can go unpunished, other times my heart hardens and I hope they reap what they sowed! I guess, that is part of being human!

At least you realize that you are suffering hardness of heart.

I have to let that go in order to receive God's graces. That is why, to me, the sacraments are so important!

You really do need to let go of all that unforgiveness. It is a poison to you.

Poor Protestants could never understand the peace that comes with absolution or the Eucharist! Poor, foolish, lost sheep. I pray for them daily also.

While you are busy judging and insulting them.

 

[BMSODM]

Blessings RC***

"Let me say this slowly … 60 thousand babies verses lies, hmmm Yea I see your point! "

Lets see what Gods says:

“8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”

But notice what He says in the verse before this:

“7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.”

A lier is the same in Gods eyes as a murder. And everyone is your brother and sister until God tells you otherwise. You don’t know which is wheat and which is a tare. God warns you what could happen if you make that discernment on your own. God also give us a measure on what we should do with our brother:

“15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.”

I don’t know this man I only know what I have read in your post. He seems like a very disobedient child, but he is still my brother until God tells me otherwise. So I owe it to him and God to pray for him. I pray for his conversion, because I am to love one another.

"23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us."

I’m not here to argue with you or anyone else. I’m here on behalf of my Blessed Mother to spread Her message of Peace and Mercy. Have you noticed the image in my signature? Have you ever seen it before?

you said*:“To say you believe in God yet not desire His Kindgom to come NOW is a strange concept in my point of view.” *

I wonder why Jesus gave us a prayer over 2000yrs ago telling us to ask for Gods Kingdom to come now. After all He knew it wasn’t coming now. It seems more logical it was meant as a long term goal. Hummm, The sovereignty of God, why God does what God does I will never know, but He is God…

 

[Realcatholicgk]

Do you somehow imagine that holding their sin against them will produce justice?

**Hi guan, **

**No HELL will! Read 1Corinthians 6:9-10 **

No. If it is anyone I care about, then I will take it personally. A tax accountant recently ripped off my mom. She is angry, and so am I . The offense was not against me.

**But Only if you care about them, not strangers, not the poor the oppressed just your circle of friends. That is precious! Anyway, you forgave the tax accountant? That was big of you! I will also forgive that tax accountant. Boy, I feel a lot better now! **

Then you are choosing to defy the commandment of God?

Which commandment was that? Did he sneak in an 11th? “Thou shall love abortionists”? Is that in the New “Improved” KJV. Will they ever get their commandment count to match ours??

** Oh, did you mean?** Matt 5:43-48

**It doesn’t apply sorry pull something else out and see it you can make it fit better this doesn’t work! **

"You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

George Tiller did not persecute me! I am not commanded to pray for him!

45 so that you may be children of your Father in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the righteous and on the unrighteous. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet only your brothers and sisters, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."
I can only try! However being Catholic it does seem easier that for Protestants.

We have no way of knowing what God has chosen Him to do, since he has been disobedient.

** I would like to imagine Goerge Tiller burning in Hell for eternity! It is a matter of justice for the 60 thousand babies he murdered! ** freesmileys.org/smileys/bounce002.gif

Then let us make reparation for his sins, instead of holding a resentment against him for committing them.

Not my job to do that It is his job to make reparation if he becomes sorry. Not mine! I rather pray that his soul suffers for all eternity. it is a justice thing with me!

Don’t be ridiculous. You are very clearly offended by this man’s behaivor.
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Don’t you be ridiculous. You are very clearly judging me. Do a better jon with the real sinner George Tiller. I said He performed no trespass against me.Show me where He did! I hate his sin, it is a matter of righteous indignation. **

How do you square that with the scriptures above?
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Easy: “But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you” Doesn’t apply to george Tiller and His sins. And I do love Protestants and I pray for anyone who persecutes Germans, Catholics, or Disabled people! I am OK with God! **

That is not for us to decide. I am sure the early church thought the same about Paul, which is why they reacted as they did when he was converted. Only God knows the heart, and it is our task to entrust souls to His all knowing heart.

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It is not for you to decide what I can or can’t decide. You are not God nor are you his representative on earth. Please get over yourself! it is unbecoming! Therefore, I will continue to state that He will get no prayers for me except the “damnation prays” that I will pray every day!**

Clearly, you have judged him.
**
More clearly you have judge me! I observe and report. I did not judge It is “above my paygrade” don’t you just love Obama? Now him I do pray for, he will have a very hard time as president and I pray that God helps him make righteous decisions.**
At least you realize that you are suffering hardness of heart.

I learnt that in the military when I had to kill people it is easier when your heart is hardened! It takes years to open your heart up to pain!

You really do need to let go of all that unforgiveness. It is a poison to you.

** You really need to stop judging! My foolish child! I have no unforgiveness. I forgave the soldier that made me disabled over 40 years ago. I forgave my government for the real “poison” they exposed me to causing numberous health problems. I have forgiven everyone whoever harmed me in thought word or deed. How could I go to communion with hate in my heart? They all remain in my prayers… guan, you really don’t know me! How dare you judge me, even after I repeately deny your petty judgements! That is awfully Protestant like isn’t it? **

While you are busy judging and insulting them.

** I judge theircounterfeit denominations based on facts. I have never ever judged another person because of their beliefs. I see you do it often! You have accused me of that several times on several threads could you please stop spreading lies? I will try to become more like you. Insulting and judging with a LOG sicking out of my eye!

I tell the truth you say it is insulting! You lie about me, that is called what… “Kindness”? How christ like is that, guan?

Shame on you! and I mean that with all love and respect. I am not angry with you. You are still one of my “best buddys”, :hug1: so put up with me!

God Bless **

 

[Realcatholicgk]

Blessings RC***

**Hi BM, **

Lets see what Gods says:

“8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”

But notice what He says in the verse before this:

“7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.”

A liar is the same in Gods eyes as a murder.

**He did not say that. Stop putting words into God’s mouth, have you no fear? That is a lie! He did not list sins according to graveness. He just said they would all have their part in the lake, not that their sin were the same! **

And everyone is your brother and sister until God tells you otherwise.

**And what scripture did you make that up from? “Everyone” is not my brother and sister! Every one is not Children of God the bible says that also! **

You don’t know which is wheat and which is a tare. God warns you what could happen if you make that discernment on your own.

**
Thou shall not murder pretty much tells me God agrees with me!**

God also give us a measure on what we should do with our brother:

“15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.”

**George Tiller is not my brother! You can claim him if you consider yourself a child of Satan. **

I don’t know this man I only know what I have read in your post. He seems like a very disobedient child, but he is still my brother until God tells me otherwise.

**Wake up! God has no arms but our, no lips but ours no legs but ours. You want a sign? **

[SIGN]GEORGE TILLER IS A CHILD OF SATAN! CONDEMN HIM. – GOD![/SIGN]

So I owe it to him and God to pray for him. I pray for his conversion, because I am to love one another.

Yea forget about the 60 thousand babies, they are with God already!

"23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

**That means to love other Christians, I do not believe George Tillerto be a christian. My fingers feel dirty just typing his name! Read about your brother! **
His Official Site

About Tiller the Killer

4 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us."

AMEN!

I’m not here to argue with you or anyone else. I’m here on behalf of my Blessed Mother to spread Her message of Peace and Mercy. Have you noticed the image in my signature? Have you ever seen it before?

**
It looks like a picture of the blessed mother of divine mercy. Is it connected with the National Shrine of The Divine Mercy? I support them as one of my charities!

I call a spade a spade, Catholic or Protestant, If you are wrong, I will tell you and I expect no less from anyone else. In this case you are wrong. I am here in behalf of My savior Jesus Christ! **

**
I love every one who professes Jesus as their savior and hope to help lead them to heaven with the truth. It really does set people free.**

I wonder why Jesus gave us a prayer over 2,000 yrs ago telling us to ask for Gods Kingdom to come now. After all He knew it wasn’t coming now. It seems more logical it was meant as a long term goal. Hummm,

**Isn’t 2,000 years long enough? :Hmmm: The apostles thought Jesus would be “right back” **

The sovereignty of God, why God does what God does I will never know, but He is God…
**
God ways are not our ways if they were George Tiller would be a memory rather than continuing to murder babies.

My God in Heaven condemn this killer, George Tiller, into the eternal fires of hell! I ask that through your son, my savior, Jesus Christ!

God Bless
**

 

[Chris_LaRock]

BMSODM;4557894:

Blessings RC***

**Hi BM, **

Lets see what Gods says:

“8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”

But notice what He says in the verse before this:

“7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.”

A liar is the same in Gods eyes as a murder.

**He did not say that. Stop putting words into God’s mouth, have you no fear? That is a lie! He didnnot lisst according to graveness. He just said they would all have their part in the lake, not that their sin were the same! **

And everyone is your brother and sister until God tells you otherwise.

**And what scripture did you make that up from? “Everyone” is not my brother and sister! Every one is not Children of God the bible says that also! **

You don’t know which is wheat and which is a tare. God warns you what could happen if you make that discernment on your own.

**
Thou shall not murder pretty much tells me God agrees with me!**

God also give us a measure on what we should do with our brother:

“15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.”

**George Tiller is not my brother! You can claim him if you consider yourself a child of Satan. **

I don’t know this man I only know what I have read in your post. He seems like a very disobedient child, but he is still my brother until God tells me otherwise.

**Wake up! God has no arms but our, no lips but ours no legs but ours. You want a sign? **
[SIGN]GEORGE TILLER IS A CHILD OF SATAN! CONDEMN HIM. – GOD![/SIGN]

So I owe it to him and God to pray for him. I pray for his conversion, because I am to love one another.

Yea forget about the 60 thousand babies, they are with God already!

"23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

**That means to love other Christians, I do not believe George Tiller is a christian. My fingers feel dirty just typing his name! Read about your brother! **
His Official Site

About Tiller the Killer

4 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us."

AMEN!

I’m not here to argue with you or anyone else. I’m here on behalf of my Blessed Mother to spread Her message of Peace and Mercy. Have you noticed the image in my signature? Have you ever seen it before?

It looks like a picture of the blessed mother of divine mercy. Is it connected with the National Shrine of The Divine Mercy? I support them as one of my charities!
I call a spade a spade, Catholic or Protestant, If you are wrong, I will tell you and I expect no less from anyone else. In this case you are wrong. I am here in behalf of My savior Jesus Christ!
**
I love every one who professes Jesus as their savior and hope to help lead them to heaven with the truth. It really does set people free.**

I wonder why Jesus gave us a prayer over 2000yrs ago telling us to ask for Gods Kingdom to come now. After all He knew it wasn’t coming now. It seems more logical it was meant as a long term goal. Hummm,

**Isn’t 2,000 years long enough? :Hmmm: The apostles thought Jesus would be “right back” **

The sovereignty of God, why God does what God does I will never know, but He is God…
**
God ways are not our ways if they were George Tiller would be a memory rather than continuing to murder babies.

My God in Heaven condemn this killer, George Tiller, into the eternal fires of hell! I ask that through your son, my savior, Jesus Christ!**
{/QUOTE]

It’s nice to see a Catholic on this site who doesn’t wink at evil just so people will say he/she is “charitable”.

Tiller is a cold-blooded monster, and I hope he gets justice soon for all those babies he has murdered. The man is just evil.

 

[Realcatholicgk]

Realcatholicgk;4558291:

It’s nice to see a Catholic on this site who doesn’t wink at evil just so people will say he/she is “charitable”.

**There are others! we defend the faith, the clergy and the teachings of Jesus from attack and lies. Even from our own Brothers and Sisters who believe that Jesus was all about love! They don’t realize that true love and charity isn’t soft but fair and firm.

When the Pharisees refused to answer Jesus’ questions, “He . . . looked round about them with anger” Mark 3:5.

When Jesus cleared the temple of the moneychangers and animal-sellers, He showed great emotion and anger - Matthew 21:12-13; Mark 11:15-18; John 2:13-22.
Jesus’ emotion was described as “zeal” for God’s house - John 2:17.

His anger, like ours, was pure and completely justified because at its root is concern for the sins against God Almighty Himself.**

Tiller is a cold-blooded monster, and I hope he gets justice soon for all those babies he has murdered. The man is just evil.

**Yes, he is Chris, All we can do is Pray for the children! Also pray that God in his mercy (name removed by moderator)oses justice onto George Tiller and that he burns in Hell!

God Bless**

 

[Chris_LaRock]

Chris LaRock;4558336:
Deu 21:9 So shalt thou put away the guilt of innocent blood from among you, when thou shalt do that which is right in the sight of the LORD.

Deu 27:25 Cursed be he that taketh reward to slay an innocent person. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Psa 106:37 Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils,
Psa 106:38 And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.
Psa 106:39 Thus were they defiled with their own works, and went a whoring with their own inventions.
Psa 106:40 Therefore was the wrath of the LORD kindled against his people, insomuch that he abhorred his own inheritance.

Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

 

[BMSODM]

Blessings Rc***

You are really starting to make no sense. Are you sure your not a protestant…lol…

You said:“And what scripture did you make that up from? “Everyone” is not my brother and sister! Every one is not Children of God the bible says that also!”

The Bible isn’t a word for word instruction book. You seem to be stuck on that. You are taking it to literal. We just need to look at Paul for a minute. If the early church had your understanding Paul wouldn’t have been a child of God in his early walk. He was a murder(Killing Christians) and the early church would see him as a child of satan. Now what would have happened if all the early beleivers would have prayed for him to go to hell? If God would have listened to there ignorant prayer Paul would be in hell and we wouldn’t have gotten what Paul gave us.

So when I said: “You don’t know which is wheat and which is a tare. God warns you what could happen if you make that discernment on your own.”

You replied:
"Thou shall not murder pretty much tells me God agrees with me!"

So if God agree’s with you I guess I’m to assume Paul is a tare and not wheat. I could go shot for shot with you all day but its obvious to me the anger your holding has hindered your understanding of what the Truth is. So it wouldn’t prosper the Kingdom by going back and fourth until you can get past it.

Much Love Brother, I pray that you will find your way into the Immaculate Heart of our Blessed Mother and truelly be converted into a loving and merciful child of God. May She share Her understanding with you and may She watch over every step you make and bring you into The very deepths of our Lords most Sacred Heart…

 

[BMSODM]

Realcatholicgk;4558381:

Deu 21:9 So shalt thou put away the guilt of innocent blood from among you, when thou shalt do that which is right in the sight of the LORD.

Deu 27:25 Cursed be he that taketh reward to slay an innocent person. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Psa 106:37 Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils,
Psa 106:38 And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.
Psa 106:39 Thus were they defiled with their own works, and went a whoring with their own inventions.
Psa 106:40 Therefore was the wrath of the LORD kindled against his people, insomuch that he abhorred his own inheritance.

Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Blessings Brother***

Lets see what Jesus did…

He was nailed to a cross and there was no blood more pure or innocent then His. Yet when the Jews nailed Him and raised Him to His death He pray’s to His Father…“Forgive them Father for they know not what they do.” I wonder why He didnt say condemn them to hell Father for they have murdered your innocent Son.

Remember God hardened there hearts to fufill His Will and they were vessals being controled by satan but even when satan was controling them he was doing God’s Will. But if we look at it with fleshly eyes we get angry at them for killing our Lord. But when we look at in spirit we see Jesus laid down His own life.

Point being is that we don’t know God’s Will and we can’t look at it with fleshly eyes. I don’t claim to understand why God allow’s the babies to die, but I can only assume because He allow’s it to take place its for the greater good. Just like the death of His Son was for the greater good. Remember NOTHING, I mean NOTHING happens unless God allows it. Even satan must get permission to touch one of God’s children.

I beg you quit confusing the sinner with the sin. It’s ok to hate the sin, but its not ok to hate the sinner.

Peace and wisdom to you***

 

[Realcatholicgk]

Chris LaRock;4558397:

Blessings Brother***

Lets see what Jesus did…

He was nailed to a cross and there was no blood more pure or innocent then His. Yet when the Jews nailed Him and raised Him to His death He pray’s to His Father…“Forgive them Father for they know not what they do.” I wonder why He didnt say condemn them to hell Father for they have murdered your innocent Son.

Remember God hardened there hearts to fufill His Will and they were vessals being controled by satan but even when satan was controling them he was doing God’s Will. But if we look at it with fleshly eyes we get angry at them for killing our Lord. But when we look at in spirit we see Jesus laid down His own life.

Point being is that we don’t know God’s Will and we can’t look at it with fleshly eyes. I don’t claim to understand why God allow’s the babies to die, but I can only assume because He allow’s it to take place its for the greater good. Just like the death of His Son was for the greater good. Remember NOTHING, I mean NOTHING happens unless God allows it. Even satan must get permission to touch one of God’s children.

I beg you quit confusing the sinner with the sin. It’s ok to hate the sin, but its not ok to hate the sinner.

Peace and wisdom to you***

**Hi BM

You said some very, very wise words. I agree with everything you said 100%.

I beg you to quit confusing pleading for justice with hate for the sinner.

Maybe this is a TEST by God with how long Hids people will allow innocent children to be murdered? Maybe you are failing the test? Whoo knows I know that murder of the innocent is a sin that cries up to heaven for justice. Read your Bible BM.

I do not hate George Tiller. He has done “nothing to me” I do not have any reason to “forgive” him. I can condemn his actions This I do. I will stand on a hill top and do that. I also would rejoice if I heard he could no longer kill babies! I dispise what he does. I will pray that He suffers eternal damnation in attonement for the death of the 60 thousand inocent ochildren…

If you think I am wrong, so me it. I don;'t think you are wrong. You just forget about the 5 sins that call to heaven for justice. This is one of them!

If George Tiller was on trial and I was on the jury I would scream from the mountain tops "Crucify Him, Crucify Him, and if permitted I would personally drive nails through his hands and feet and a wooded stake through his heart! That is just the kind of Christian I am! I would punish the child of Satan just like he tortured the children of God!

God Bless**

 

[Realcatholicgk]

Chris LaRock;4558397:

Blessings Brother***

Lets see what Jesus did…

He was nailed to a cross and there was no blood more pure or innocent then His. Yet when the Jews nailed Him and raised Him to His death He pray’s to His Father…“Forgive them Father for they know not what they do.” I wonder why He didnt say condemn them to hell Father for they have murdered your innocent Son.

**Because they were doing God’s will in order to save us. Maybe you believe George Tiller is doing God’s will so we will allow stem cell research? God wants that doesn’t He? Your arguments do not seem logical or thought out. Never say things just to say them. We both agree that George Tillers crimes can’t be justified. Now you want to "blame God for them and use that as your reason to forgive a murdered. How cute is that? :whacky:

Jesus was “tried”, judged and sentenced to death. He allowed it to rendere to Caesar what was required in attonement for sins. Do not confust murder with legal killing. That is permitted by the RCC!**

Remember God hardened there hearts to fufill His Will and they were vessals being controled by satan but even when satan was controling them he was doing God’s Will.

They were doing what was required by law.> They were doing God’s will Satan was not involved in our salvation. Are you sure you are catholic? Don’t make things up to prove ytou point, they are foolish things that can not be believed by any Catholic. But if we look at it with fleshly eyes we get angry at them for killing our Lord. But when we look at in spirit we see Jesus laid down His own life.

Your strawman is so faulty. MNo one ever got angry at the soldiers for helping to fullfil God’s plan for our rsalvation> And Satan sure didn’t want Jesus to save our souls! Use a better examplel

Point being is that we don’t know God’s Will and we can’t look at it with fleshly eyes. I don’t claim to understand why God allow’s the babies to die, but I can only assume because He allow’s it to take place its for the greater good. Just like the death of His Son was for the greater good.
Remember NOTHING, I mean NOTHING happens unless God allows it. Even satan must get permission to touch one of God’s children.True but he can touch his own children all day long without God’s permission. We know not God’s will and the 666 isn’t printed on Satan’s children yet so we can’t know who are God’s and who belongs to satan. Do you really think God approves of people rejecting Jesus’ sacrafice? He “allows it”, not approves of it! He allows us our free will, so George Tiller, the Killer abuses His free will. Do not foolishly attribute that to God!

I beg you quit confusing the sinner with the sin. It’s ok to hate the sin, but its not ok to hate the sinner.

Peace and wisdom to you***

**Hi BM

In the things above you said some very very wise things, do not misunderstand me. I with most things that you said.

I beg you to quit confusing pleading for justice with hate for the sinner.

Maybe this is a TEST by God with how long His people will allow innocent children to be murdered? Maybe you are failing the test? Who knows? I do know that murder of the innocent is sin nu,mber f of the sins that cries up to heaven foo justice. Please read your Bible BM. Do not confuse justice for hate.

I do not hate George Tiller. He has done “nothing to me” If he did I would gladly forgive him for my soul’s sake not his. However, I do not have any reason to “forgive” him. He offended God Almighty. Why can’t you preceive that? It isn’t rocket science and it is Biblical!. I am permitted to justly condemn his actions!
This I do. I would stand on a hill top and do that. I also would rejoice if I heard that he could no longer kill babies! I despise what he does. I will pray that He suffers eternal damnation in attonement for the death of the 60 thousand inocent children… I hope God answers my prayer.

If you think I am wrong, so be it. I don’t think you are wrong, in being mercyful. Just foolish when dealing with Satan and his children. They have to be stepped on like serpents. You forget about the 5 sins that call to heaven for justice. This is one of them!

If George Tiller was on trial and I was on the jury I would scream from the mountain tops "Crucify Him, Crucify Him! And if given the privage I would personally drive nails through his hands and feet and a wooded stake through his heart! That is just the kind of Christian I am! I would punish the child of Satan just like he tortured the children of God! It is justice. The crucifiction of Jesus was a love sacrifice in attonement for our sins… Never confuse evil with love.

God Bless**

 

[Realcatholicgk]

Blessings Rc***

You are really starting to make no sense. Are you sure your not a protestant…lol You said:"And what scripture did you make that up from? “Everyone” is not my brother and

Hi BM,
Don’t make things up like We are all God’s children to prove your point. It is a lie. That was my point!

The Bible isn’t a word for word instruction book. You seem to be stuck on that. You are taking it to literal.

**No actually I only take the context not the words. I take the Catholic interptation of the words. Not the literal words themselves. Read some of my fights against the “separated Brethren” Sola Scriptura is just plain stupid! **

We just need to look at Paul for a minute. If the early church had your understanding Paul wouldn’t have been a child of God in his early walk. He was a murder(Killing Christians) and the early church would see him as a child of satan.Wasn’t he, until converted? Now what would have happened if all the early beleivers would have prayed for him to go to hell?**Same thing that happended, you don’t think some people prayed for his death? ** If God would have listened to there ignorant prayer **Ignorant? or justified cries for justice? **Paul would be in hell **How do you know that?and we wouldn’t have gotten what Paul gave us.

any way, mote points because it didn’y happen! What would have happened doesn’t do anything but place visions of sugar plums in your mind! **

So when I said: “You don’t know which is wheat and which is a tare. God warns you what could happen if you make that discernment on your own.”
**
I make no discernment. Do not judge me. I am crying out for God’s justice I am not going and harming The animal called George Tiller! There is a difference. I am asking God to provide Justice for the babies. I am not seeking to obtain justice by anyother means but God’s wrath! What is wrong with that, pray tell? **

You replied:
"Thou shall not murder pretty much tells me God agrees with me!"

So if God agree’s with you I guess I’m to assume Paul is a tare and not wheat. I could go shot for shot with you all day but its obvious to me the anger your holding has hindered your understanding of what the Truth is. So it wouldn’t prosper the Kingdom by going back and fourth until you can get past it.

**You have to stop being blind to justice. I am required as a 'child of God" to cry up to heaven for Justice. That is what God demands of us! He demands love for Him and protection of the innocent. **

Much Love Brother,
You also my friend!
I pray that you will find your way into the Immaculate Heart of our Blessed Mother and truely be converted into a loving and merciful child of God.

**Judge not my foolish brother! You do not realize how much or little mercy I have in my heart. I have a small glimpse of the preversion you have of the will of God. You seem to be a good person, I will pray the rosary for you and your understanding of Justice. **

May She share Her understanding with you and may She watch over every step you make and bring you into The very deepths of our Lords most Sacred Heart.
**
I feel compeled to warn you to worship Jesus, my friend. He is the way to salvation. Honor His mother! Pray to her but worship her son! What Mary shares with me is her example as a servant of Jesus. She prays to her Son on our behalf. But, she is not a god she is a creation! I caution you to watch your “devotion:” let it not grow so large that it over shadows your devotion to her son and become preverted. This I pray for you in the name of Jesus. Amen!

God Bless **

…

 

[guanophore]

No HELL will! Read 1Corinthians 6:9-10

Yes, but God desires that no soul should be lost. He took upon Himself the sins of all, so that we can be redeemed from Hell.

But Only if you care about them, not strangers, not the poor the oppressed just your circle of friends. That is precious!

My point is, which you have now confirmed, is that you are offended because you do care. It is true that the man has offended God, but he has also offended anyone else with a conscience, which you clearly have.

Anyway, you forgave the tax accountant? That was big of you! I will also forgive that tax accountant. Boy, I feel a lot better now!

Well…I am working on that!

Which commandment was that? Did he sneak in an 11th? "Thou shall love abortionists"? Is that in the New "Improved" KJV. Will they ever get their commandment count to match ours??

The man is clearly your enemy, whom God has commanded that you love and forgive. He is an enemy of humanity.

It doesn’t apply sorry pull something else out and see it you can make it fit better this doesn’t work!

Jesus commanded us to forgive others, just as our heavenly father has forgiven us. In what way does not “not apply”?

George Tiller did not persecute me! I am not commanded to pray for him!

He does, GK. whenever a person persecutes the innocent, all of us are persecuted.

I can only try!

Yes, that is all any of us can do. But even if in trying to show love you fall short, that is much superior to refusing to forgive all together.

I would like to imagine Goerge Tiller burning in Hell for eternity! It is a matter of justice for the 60 thousand babies he murdered!

GK, Jesus paid the price for those sins on the cross.

Not my job to do that It is his job to make reparation if he becomes sorry. Not mine! I rather pray that his soul suffers for all eternity. it is a justice thing with me!

I understand that you are hung up on “justice” and are unwilling to contribute to the good on this matter. I agree, it is his reparation to make. However, there is much that we can all do to make reparation for the sins of others.

Don’t you be ridiculous. You are very clearly judging me. Do a better jon with the real sinner George Tiller. I said He performed no trespass against me.Show me where He did! I hate his sin, it is a matter of righteous indignation.

Whatsoever is done to the least of society is a wound to all of us. I am noting that you attitude of “righteous indignation” precludes you from interceding for his salvation.

Easy: "But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you" Doesn't apply to george Tiller and His sins. And I do love Protestants  and I pray for anyone who persecutes Germans, Catholics, or Disabled people! ray: I am OK with God!

I did not mean to imply that you are not “ok with God”. This man is an enemy of humankind,and as a human, that makes him your enemy too. What he has done has damaged all of us. His actions may bring judgement upon our whole nation, along with the actions of others like him. He is a persecuter of the innocent, and he is proof to the fundamentalist Muslims that Americans are depraved and deserving of extermination. We are called to pray for him.

 

[guanophore]

It is not for you to decide what I can or can't decide. You are not God nor are you his representative on earth. Please get over yourself! it is unbecoming! Therefore, I will continue to state that He will get no prayers for me except the "damnation prays" that I will pray every day!

Well, my directions say, " when your brother sins, go and tell him his fault", therefore I have done my best.

More clearly you have judge me! I observe and report. I did not judge It is "above my paygrade" don't you just love Obama? Now him I do pray for, he will have a very hard time as president and I pray that God helps him make righteous decisions.

Hopefully you will be able to extend that prayer to the rest of the sinners.

I learnt that in the military when I had to kill people it is easier when your heart is hardened! It takes years to open your heart up to pain!

This is the pain we embrace when we pick up the cross, and carry it. If He forgave those that crucified Him, how can we do less?

You really need to stop judging! My foolish child! I have no unforgiveness.  I have forgiven everyone whoever harmed me in thought word or deed.

Except George Tiller, apparently.

How could I go to communion with hate in my heart? T

I think you rename it so it is “righteous indignation”.

they all remain in my prayers... guan, you really don't know me! How dare you judge me, even after I repeately deny your petty judgements! That is awfully Protestant like isn't it?

Perhaps you don’t realize how strong you came across with your unforgiveness, resentment, and depracatory prayers. I am trying to hold you a mirror. You can crack it if you want.

You have accused me of that several times on several threads could you please stop spreading lies?

I am telling you how it comes across. that is my opinon, as you pointed out last time I said so, everyone has one!

I tell the truth you say it is insulting! You lie about me, that is called what… “Kindness”? How christ like is that, guan?

It is not what you are saying, because I agree with you. It is how you say it.

Shame on you! and I mean that with all love and respect.

Thanks! This is the kindest gift I have gotten so far today.